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Jeanette Winterston - famous novelist
Jeanette was born 27th August 1959 in Manchester. She was brought up in Water Street, Accrington and adopted by Constance and John William Winterson, who were strict Christians. By the time she was eight years old she was writing and preaching sermons!
She went to Accrington High School for Girls. At the age of 16 she fell in love with another woman and left home after falling out with her parents. She had many jobs to begin with, including driving an ice cream van, she was a porter in a phychiatric hospital and preparing corpses in an undertakers parlour. She had only ever heard of two universities - Oxford and Cambridge. She actually went down to Oxford,managed to get an interview and asked outright could she go there! They smiled at her and said, come back in 12 months time when you have passed your 'A' levels! She did! She went to St Catherine's College at Oxford University, obtaining a BA in English in 1981. She then moved to London and worked in publishing. She is known for many works, her main one being "Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit" which she began writing at the age of 23. It was a true but comic account of growing up with a religious background with serious issues re identity, sexuality and relationships. It won a Whitbread First Novel Award in 1985. It was turned into a drama on BBC TV in 1990 and won an award. Another of our famous people, not always known about. |
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"Oranges are not the only fruit" was recorded in the church up brunshaw estate in Burnley where i used to live.
Rimington Avenue was the place where it was........i lived dead acroos the road! |
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dont know her but know of the the book if that makes sense lol
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She went to school with my sister.
Boring, but true. ;) |
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saw "oranges" when it was first televised and really enjoyed it,the fact that shes an accy lass makes it better,ta didn't know that.
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This lady should be struck off the Hall of Fame after her rubbishing the town in last saturday's Times. Here is the article...don't bother goung beyond the first line:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...3-2258981.html |
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Awful Accrington, eh?...well, I suppose she's happy enough in whatever trendy part of London she lives in...and I sincerely hope she stays there!
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She's always been very open about her hatred of her childhood - 'oranges' was semi autobiographical.
I wrote to her some time ago because we were looking for a well known author to read at The Vagina Monologues, her reply was that if there had been things like that going on when she was here she might not have left. I think that she's a lesbian and therefore had trouble with her mother and strict upbringing. Also, I think she now lives in America but I'm not sure about that. |
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OK, so she didn't get on with her parents...is that any reason to slag off her home town?
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If she had bad experiences with her family, she's transferred it all onto the town - totally understand it.
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She wasn't negative about Accrington in an interview in the Observer the other Sunday. Strange.
Perhaps being exorcised in front of the congregation of her church, at the behest of her fanatical parents, coloured her judgement of that time. |
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Quite often the press embellish on the wanderings of our thoughts. Accrington can be many things to different people, the flow of passions within our past can make us say the most unkind and unmeant things. I myself have loved it, hated it, cried over it; above all else I have always missed it.
Oranges was excellent, I saw her giving interviews way back, I think her disappointments reflected her relationships with people, not her Town. |
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Accrington where did you go
Why did you change? What did you do with the memory of my childhood? Where went the warmth of mother hood So many son, lost to the guns, So many daughters, God brought us So easily parted, the consumption taught us The misery that dank mills brought us Accrington where did you go Your cobbled Streets Bleak back yards Unlit paths to memories roads Deathly dark Pits that the Devil strode Bleak graves where the grass as grown Broken widows, broken stone I miss you Accrington, you where my home |
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I'm sure such a high-profile lady of literature could have selected a better adjective ? (sorry, never grammar my best subject) than 'awful'. Even Doug has sent us a lovely piece of poetry to express the shortfalls of our area. |
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The interesting thing is that as well as banging out the odd article for the Times & the london Standard, she has a grocers shop, also in Spitalfields. It has all the trendy organic stuff in there, plus the old-fashioned preserves....plus sweets in a jar. In fact, it looks just like an Accy corner shop of the 1960's...odd that, init! |
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That's because, deep down, she really loves Accy!
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Aye....you can take the man out of Accy, but you can't take Accy out of the man (or woman...sorry girls)...:)
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I did briefly speak to her at a little soiree dahn the east end. We spoke of Lancashire we'd both grown up in and she wasn't negative in what she said to me. |
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She was on TV a couple of weeks ago on the ABC. It was the South Bank Show, with Melvin Bragg, Nothing good to say about Accy, but the shots of Accy were great, especialy from the Copice. She did'nt seem to comfortble being back there, I tend to agree with you Wyn. I dont think she would be saying , to quote Mez, I love Accy thats why I moved back.
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She was ok but no one I'd ever befriend. I found her a little too dry. |
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The Observer article.
http://books.guardian.co.uk/paperbac...ticle_continue |
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Gee i think some of us had those spells of feelings i did i'suppose it maybe a youth thing i dont know, but i left Accy moved 10miles away because i saw no future for me here at 17, i certainly had issues with my own parents & overcoming bullying from school i felt pre-judged & thats being a straight person lol i had issues with people that yeh i blamed the town for my misery. I think its one of those things you do & say when you move out & life in new pastures was better for you to grow as an individual, its easy to blame the town because that seemed the only logical explanation. I certainly learned that any town/city/place can be awful certainly when bad things or misery happens to you - then you realise the reality that its people not place, i moved back as the town i moved to became the 'source' of more misery & realised Accy was much better as they say grass isnt always greener LOL
Hey-ho 6yrs later i return back home to good old Accy worried that old feelings about me being back was gonna be right & well no thankfully proved me wrong been here ever since once i gave myself time to solve the real problem of putting past to bed & starting afresh here again, im enjoying my home!!! Maybe if Ms Winterton had councellling for her past pain she could return to Accy & see it more in a different light - metaphorically its quite a beautiful picture once the smog clears :D |
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They used to spy on me sunbathing in the nuddy before I met them and I could tell some real tales about them...but you will have to wait for my book.:D |
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Her shop looks interesting, though. I was thinking of dropping in on my way to the Barnet match, but then I saw the prices...over five quid for a bar of chocolate? Definitely, for trendy Londoners only! |
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Who are Gilbert & George?...they sound like some end-of-the-pier variety act!
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Gilbert & George are a pair of artists who have been around since the 1960's..they are the grand-daddies of modern British conceptual art. Best known work is "Sh*t in a Can"...plus a few other blasphemous images. they walk round the streets here like a pair of puffters, although rumour is one of 'ems supposed to be married.
Tracey Emin also lives and has her studio round here..she's the enfant terrible of conceptual art.(unmade bed, etc). About two years ago, her pussy went missing so naturally she blanketed the neighbourhood with "Have you seen this cat" posters which she did herself; naturally, they all got nicked as collectors items. Dunno what happened to the cat, though. |
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Anyway, back to Jeanette.....this is her shop, taken from her website:
http://www.jeanettewinterson.com/verdes.asp |
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Thanks for that, Gary. I was particularly interested in this quote "A number of works from the early 1970's consisted of the two of them getting drunk..."
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I wonder if the Accy Observer will pick up on this little tale...what would the story be.....
Uproar as Lesbo author slags off Accrington The whole of Accrington was up in arms last night after reading thats it's most famoous literary daughter had described the town as "Awful" in an article in last saturday's Times. Jeanette Winterson won the 1985 Whitbread prize for her novel "Oranges are not the Only Fruit". The book has graphic desciptions of seedy lesbian romps taking place everywhere in Accy in the 1960's. Yet Winterson claimed on saturday that nowt really happened other than a daily dose of bible bashing. "She can't have it both ways" stated Councillor Graham britcliffe "it was either a hotbed of exotic sex or a puitans delight. And she can't make the money from the town and then rubbish us" Ms Winterson was unavailable for comment last night. |
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Lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well if i see that in the Observer i will chuckle loudly for Accyweb LOL blimey then we'd know they are getting desperate for news or hoping for a purvy response for Mr PB pmsl!!!:D
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I think fair comment by Tealeaf, I still feel very hurt by her comments and, as he said, her memories of Accrington has afforded her the benefit of a good deal of wealth. Lots of things don't ring true to me though, and I would like to know more. i.e. Garinda, you talk about an exorcism .. don't know much about the Pentecostal Church, but could this not be just some sort of ceremony that is adopted by this religion ? Like Christenings and Confirmations, which always seem a little extreme to me. Not saying for sure, you understand, just asking. Also, she talks about only a handful of books in the house .. well, we couldn't afford many in my house when I was little and read the ones that were there over and over again. Also, she talks about having to go and sit in her outside loo to read same and yet her article is about snuggling under the bed sheets to read them. She attended Accy High .. so did I .. lot earlier than Jeanette did of course, they had an excellent library and could take them out to read at home. Dunno ? some anomalies here which have grabbed my attention and that's not bad, as all very interesting at the end of the day. |
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I think she has every right to describe Accrington anyway she likes. It's her memories of the place not ours. Like I said earlier lesbianism wasn't very visible in the 70's to a young girl growing up in Accy then. The early 70's were pretty grim throughout Britain with strikes, power cuts and Morecambe and Wise considered the height of as entertainment on the box. I found it grim here and from the age of seven knew I would have to move away if I wasn't going to be considered a freak. Thity years later this freak doesn't give a f**k and happily moved back home. |
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Although I am not that religious … I remember Ms Winterson from Sunday School… she always seemed rather creepy to me so I did not really bother with her… I remember she was always first in any of the quizzes we had, and her Bible was like full of bits of paper scriptures and so on… In her book her writings about the Elm Church are basically a load of old Tripe and Blackpuddings…
She makes it sound like the entire congregation were a bunch of perverts…. Not the case: but it takes one to know one springs to mind: She was just a plain Jane ( Jeanette) who did not appear to join in with the other kids…. I also remember her selling ice-creams…. Instead of slagging off her home town and parents…. She should bloody well do something ( PUBLICLY) for it: My opinion on her book Oranges are not the only fruit is …. That the book is pure fantasy and crap: |
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I think those that are critising J Winterstone's opening remarks in her Times newspaper article should perhaps appreciate her 'aweful' childhood (read "Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit') - then you would understand why she escaped (from her mother more than anything). It's not easy being gay in Accrington (I can vouch for that); isn't she right not want to tolerate bigots and prejudice when it presents itself? It seems things didn't really change much - if you saw the South Bank Show with J Winterstone and Melvyn Bragg coming out of Accrington Library and STILL having abuse yelled in her direction from a van driver, it was all rather embarassing! Interesingly she lives around the corner from me now in Spitalfields (London) (I believe she has a house in the country too). We should be proud of an Accrington lady who has done really well for herself AND has probably produced one of the finest written and funniest books on the town (WELL worth a read).
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I live in Accrington for the first 21 years of my life. I guess JW is simply comparing her life there to Oxford or wherever else she has lived.
I can't say I know how 60s Accrington was, but if you compare the sights of a small former mill town to the bright lights of the Metropolis, many may agree with her. |
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I remember Jeanette as I taught her at Peel Park junior school---- she was a strange child but memorable in many ways--- she always wore a yellow ribbon in her hair---- I have found in my many years of teaching that exceptionally gifted children always stick in my memory--- like Julie Hesmondhalgh., Mina Anwar, and others.Vickie Entwistle although I think she can do more than Coronation Street!!!
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Yesterdays Sunday Mail had a report on Christmas childrens books -they rated this one the best out of the four they had picked to review:
The Lion, Unicorn and Me by Jeanette Winterston In this beautifully evocative retelling of the story of the very first Christmas, the humble donkey is chosen out of all the other animals, including the kingly lion and the proud unicorn. As his journey unfolds, he is touched by the magic and mystery of the Nativity… The award-winning, world-renowned novelist Jeanette Winterson has created a masterful and deftly crafted story that sparkles with originality, humour and warmth. Perfectly completed by Rosalind MacCurrach’s stunning illustrations with twinkling gold detail, this gorgeous Christmas book will be cherished by families for years to com |
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Here's the opening scene, young Jess running up Lee Road at Bacup, the bridge has now gone, the shop was on Farholme Lane Stacksteads
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Sorry I've muddled up my photos, this is Lee Road, Lee Mill, Bacup
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I read "Oranges..." and it was very good gave an insight to the girl I used to see regularly on the coppice walking a little Yorkshire Terrier, my brother Phil used to walk with her to School as he went to Accrington Grammer next to where she went and told stories about her being part of this strange Church where they healed people by faith and chanted etc. I tried to read her other Books but couldn't get into them.
I can understand how she feels about Accrington back in the 70's as I know the reaction we got when we got into punk rock, people didn't like it or get it, must have difficult to cope with her sexuality in Accy. However the book "Oranges..." does suggest her Mother was quite a positive influence on her, providing her with some challenges of life - she wasn't just slouching back on the couch bashing the bible supping holy water. YouTube - Heading for the City by SGB.wmv The link that has been posted to the Times article actually goes to a article dated; July 8th 2006, I don't know if they changed it? Last time I came back to Accrington I did realise how it was positioned in quite a scenic position you get Pendle to the North, Whalley visible of the coppice it is a very green and pleasant area! Nick Name a.k.a. Kestrel X |
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'The building is called the Gasworks, and I live in Gasworks Cottages, which is in one of the beautiful parts of the Cotswolds, but makes me feel like I am back home in Accrington in some industrial hovel.'
House restoration: the joy of wrecks - Times Online Cheeky madam! :eek: |
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But I cant help but admire her and what she has achieved in her lifetime.
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She makes me puke. She has no love for the town whatsoever, so thank god she's gone and let's hope she never comes back. As for her books, they are fit for one thing only - bog paper.
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Insolent cow, but still she can come n dig my back yard up in summer, save Paris a job.:D
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'Accrington's ugly, she says. "When I went back there recently, I looked and all the cobbled streets had been tarmacced and, even worse, they'd taken up all the York stone pavements, so they've compounded ugliness. It was never a picture-postcard place, Accrington, but it had a reasonably harmonious architecture. Now, it's abysmal."
Profiles and Interviews, New Scientist, Carol Ann Duffy, The Field Interview, Vintage Living Texts, Le Monde, Wall Street Journal, The Times Beauty's in the eye of the beholder. Though I agree about the sad loss of our York stone pavements. Many of which were bought by wealthy novelists, to make terraces at their London and Cotswold homes. :rolleyes: |
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The film is on at 10.30 p.m tonight on BBC 4.
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So this was supposed to be late '60's Accy? Gob****e! Everything was wrong, rangeing from the architecture to the school - supposidly a primary school, but it looked like a secondary mod. to me. I see on the credits that it was adapted from the book by Mz. Winterton herself. Well, thank god I never read the book. However, worse is to come...there's another episode on next week. I wonder how much this nonsense has cost the honest license fee payer? An absolute disgrace - shame on you, BBC. Anyway, I've now got Mad Men on t'other channel. why can't the BBC make summat like this, instead of having to buy it in? |
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Yes, only realised in four parts when it finished.
Did actually really enjoy it Tealeaf .. the acting is superb and many comic moments .. will look out for it next week. Was a repeat from 1990. Sorry, but don't mind paying my licence fee at all for this excellence. No .. not sorry at all .. was brilliant. :p |
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Teabag just feels left out. As he would have benefited from being tied up for the weekend as a child, and exorcised by a load of religious nutters. It would've been character building. |
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Anyway, I watch Corrie too so there !... :p |
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Small world, Planet Ginger. :D |
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Sad watching it now, knowing that actor Charlotte Coleman, who played older Jess, died such a tragic death. As for cost, being one of the most successful programmes the B.B.C. produced in the eighties, as well as all the awards it received, it was sold all over the world, so paid for it's production costs many times over. |
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She's going to be on BBC 1 Breakfast at some point tomorrow (Weds) morning!
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Saw her on the Beeb this morn..she was promoting the 25th Anniversary edition of the Oranges book!!
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Saw last part of "Oranges..." last night and I wonder if it had stood the test of time? I enjoyed it the first time but perhaps that is the mystique of watching a story about someone who was a part of your childhood, regardless of however distant she was, but I always recall stories of "odd goings on" at the Church she attended i.e. faith healing, chanting and excorcisms lol - bit like the bogey man over the Coppice. I couldn't help seeing that the charcter Jesse was just JW's alter ego. |
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"I couldn't help seeing that the charcter Jesse was just JW's alter ego."
I agree (having bought it on DVD) it's autobiographic Here's a photo of the opening sequance [http://www.flickr.com/photos/rossend...y/4119988972/] |
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She, herself sees the book as fiction, based on autobiography, which seems to be backed up by the fact that it won the Whitbread Award for a First Novel in 1985.
From Jeanette Winterson's own website... 'Is it autobiographical?' 'Yes and no. All writers draw on their experience but experience isn't what makes a good book. As the stand-up comics say, 'It's the way you tell 'em'. Oranges is written in the first person, it's direct and uninhibited, but it isn't autobiography in the real sense. I have noticed that when women writers put themselves into their fiction, it's called autobiography. When men do it, such as Paul Auster or Milan Kundera it's called meta -fiction.' Oranges are not the Only Fruit, Whitbread Award for best first fiction for the semi-autobiographical, religious excess and human obsession |
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Is Karen Buckley - with all her bible bashing and exocism's - actually Jeanette Winterston in disguise?
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one of the church goers in the film (Mrs Green) is based on my friends late mother
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Perhaps she might consider another character, central to the action. Mother, perhaps? Since she's strong on 'family values', and they carry out exorcisms at Baptist churches in Lytham. :rolleyes: |
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Is she famous for anything else , one 'notable' book in 25 years is hardly a catalog of a lifetime spent in the persuit of literature . :rolleyes: :confused:
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She's almost certainly in the top five of the most visible female writers in the country, helped by her journalism and television appearances. Her books are listed here... Jeanette Winterson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
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Don't forget her corner shop, down near me. Someone on here posted that they'd seen her in Accy ASDA; she was probably buying in 20kilos of tomatos at £1.78/kg to take back to London and flog 'em off in the shop as 'Accy's finest organic', at ten quid a kilo...a nice little earner.
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I'll check it out....I'm up by Spitalfields market tomorrow dinnertime.
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Personally, I think Jeanette has as much right as any other victim of child abuse (that's basically what the "exorcisms" were) and homophobia to say what she likes about the town where she had to live through those experiences. As a victim of bullying at that baleful hellhole, Accrington Grammar School, I entirely sympathise.
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Let's just hope there are fewer Jess's receiving the same treatment today. |
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And as regards Winterston...I would rather read a Katie Price autobiography than that sh**e. |
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There's the Accrington one, and your own, as a close neighbour in the capital. The next thing we'll hear is that you've bought a camper van, and parked up in her Cotswold village. |
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Get back to the '50's, you throwback. |
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Suheir Hammad, Hisham Matar, Ali Smith and Jeanette Winterson | Southbank Centre.
Jeanette is appearing at the South Bank in April. |
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One of them used to spy on me when I was sunbathing, when we were next door neighbours in Fournier St. Which one wears the jam jar bottoms? I'm not saying there was anything untowards happening. They probably just viewed me as some sort of inspirational muse. :D |
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