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Can anubody tell me what the Bees Knees was called back in the 60's? Cheers  ???

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It was called the Derby in the early 70's.

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I used to go in the derby in the early seventies, used to have folk singing in there back then.

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The Derby -   a good place to score waccy baccy and other stuff (no rubbish 1980's Extacy, though) in the early 70's - the place was notorious for it. There were several police raids there if I remember correctly. The bar uses to be in the middle of the pub basically seperating the place into rooms - the back room was the druggie dealing place

The place became the Bee's Knees around '72 or 73, being the second "themed" pub in Accy (The first being the Pickwick, roughly where Boots now stands)

I know I had a few good Vom in the bogs there, Chistmas Eve 1974 and was last in about 1979....dunno when it changed back to the Derby...and then back to the Bees Knees again..silly name really, whereas the Derby really mean something in terms of Accringtons history. Where's Owd Bert - he could probably tell that part of the tale better.

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there was always plenty of folk singing in there when I used to go in in the 80's, all usually ****ed mind you!

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I suppose it was called the Derby in the 60's? I heard the back room was called the Blue Room or som ' at.

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The Bees Knees was called the Derby Arms in
the 40s I think that was the original name.

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It was also called the derby in the 90's as well

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I've got a 1907 map that also has it as the Derby Arms. :)

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No one has yet picked up on the historical connection....so here it is:

The pub was named the Derby when built in the 19C after the Earl of Derby, a Lancastrian family based mainly in the south of the county, the Earldom being created at the time of the Wars of the Roses.

They're still around,m although no longer sitting in the House of Lords...and they still have alot of land and properties around Lancashire....they used to some in Accy, although I don't know the current position. Knowsley Safari Park belongs to the family.

Like all aristocrats, they have a family surname.....theirs is

                              STANLEY!

Just remember that, if you're an ASFC fan next time you're drinking in the "Bees Knees"

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Blimey Tealeaf, your a walking encycolpedia!  ;D

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Easy now TL you're risking people finding out that us Northerners aren't as thick as we make out and that our quant parochial vernacular is a cunning subterfuge to get over-enthusiastic Shandy drinking southerners to do all the taxing work  [smiley=up2something.gif]

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if the building was there in 1901 you can go to the PRO site and look up any house that was standing then it will even tell you who was living there in 1901

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i'm sure i left a post on this...

due to the age of the bees would this be a listed building then? i assume planning permission to alter fronts etc would be alot harder to obtain

is there some sort of regeneration scheme in operation that is trying to get these shut down places reopened in some capacity? not necessarily as a bar...

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What is the PRO site please ??? different from the census I assume ?
Thanks

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got me thinking now ......what brewery had it in the late 60s ? don't think it was a Blackburn brewery (Lions Thwaites or Duttons) was it a Massey house ?

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i think it was a duttons house, cashy will put me right.

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Duttons is correct tosh, when ian had it....good landlord never barred anyone, mind probably woulda been bad fer business as he was a nark.:):rolleyes:

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The Landlord in the sixties was Ted Green, he had a gorgeous daughter, was a regular there in those days, the back room was called the Blue Room went to quite a few parties in there in that era, never liked it when it changed to the Bees Knees, much prefered the Astronaut on Union Street

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He sure didn't have it all the 60s mate twas ian in late no doubt about that, cashy does know the score about that guy.;)

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I'm talking about when I was a teenager cashy, which I stopped being in 1966 :D

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1966 is that yet another Typo:confused::D:D

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Ian definitely had it from '68 onwards when I started going in. As Cashy says, never barred anyone...not even Cashy! ;) There was also an elderly barmaid called Ethel who used to shout "last orders!" in a voice that could shatter glass.

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This is the comprehensive and definitive history of the 'Bees Knees', as such:

1973 opens as a Sh**hole.
1973-2008 stays a Sh**hole
2008 shuts as a Sh**hole.

Please note: the dates are approximate.

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Ya cheeky sod Beni:D

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Thanks for the glowing report Tealeaf:D

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:D I reckon it was ok in the 80's just to pop in for half an hour.. some music..no fights..a longish bar (was it you, the manager in them days Tealeaf?) :D

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Don't forget the sticky carpet - could take half an hour to get down to the pool tables from the front door :rolleyes:

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Think the worst pub for sticky carpets was the one on Broadway (the old Odeon) can't remember the name, took 10 minutes to get form the door to the bar:D

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I don't know much about the Bees Knees, other than I did the majority of my early drinking in there..... BUT, i do know where the bee currently is.

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That's not a bee, it's a wasp.

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They don't half get about do them bees:D

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Like I said AccyMad.. it was a longish bar so never really got as far as the pool tables! :D

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That was the Pickwick john, very rarely paid fer a pint in yon,:cool: if any of youse had yer pints nicked off those big wooden stands all i can honestly say is ..........TOUGH.:D

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I kept wondering where my pints were disappearing to...I might have known it'd be you! :eek:

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I wondered how long it would be before the 'Pickwick' made it's ghastly appearance. If my memory serves me right, it was converted from the dining room of the old Odeon. Upstairs was the place where you could get the finest English '70's cuisine - Prawn Cocktail, followed by Chicken in the Basket (with serviette to cover the basket holes), finished off by Black Forest Cake. All washed down by a vintage bottle of Hirondelle '72. Downstairs was the Appertife - 6 pints of Watney's Red Barrel resulting in a double enema before one made one's way above into gastronomic paradise.

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Ghastly a very apt description, partly why i never used to pay fer me ale.:D

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I always wondered where my ale went; now I know who nicked it.

You owe me about 1500 pints, starting at Stanley's first home game next season.

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Oh i would have done, but after 10 yrs its written off.:tongueout

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Typical Cashy. Now claiming under the Statute of Limitations.

OK. I'll settle out of court for a Party Seven - chilled, mind.

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:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:So thats where they went:eek::eek::eek::D:D

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There's no statute of limitations on Ale Theft cashy:cool::rolleyes::D

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The Bees Knees in Accrington now reopened.

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Shame there's no Bee:rolleyes:

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I notice they've put some bigger ash trays by the front door, they'l not last long. The bee that was over the door, lets hope some ones burnt it.

Retlaw.

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The exterior looks vulgar - such a pleasantly symmetrical building trashed with overdone signage.

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Thanks Atarah for the photos, did you go in?

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It looks ghastly without and no doubt within as well. A puke joint, pure and simple. Did they get planning permission for that awful display of advertising outside? If not, I hope the council acts immeadiatly.

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Did it put you off your pint Tealeaf;)