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Don't you dammed well dare, flowers are for women and pufters, I'll set the dog on you.

Retlaw.

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Besides grass and trees, what is up Coppice.

Retlaw

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Sorry to resurrect this again.

Amazingly .. a mutual friend of my brother and I lived in Eaton Bank in one of the taller buildings, and the resident previously was an artist ! All fits.
He also lived around the corner from you Atarah ... LOL.

All involved with the local history society, so could track him down with more questions maybe, deeds etc.

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[quote=katex;756294]Sorry to resurrect this again.

Amazingly .. a mutual friend of my brother and I lived in Eaton Bank in one of the taller buildings, and the resident previously was an artist ! All fits.
He also lived around the corner from you Atarah ... LOL.

Its me that lives round the corner you daft bat.:D:D

Its the ball & chain that paints pictures.
I use draughting instruments & a drawing board.

Retlaw.

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Gonna' try this again ...

I have a friend who lived in what could be the above house in Eaton Bank. The previous owner was an artist and may have painted the picture you seek.

My friend, coincidentally, lived very close, before moving to Eaton Bank, to Atarah. (and yerself by the sound of it)

Does that make any more sense Retalw ?? Earth to Retlaw.

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Sarcastic beggar, I've lived here near 45 years,
don't know any one who moved from here to live up Eaton Bank.

Retlaw.

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The Watson family who lived on Bishop St.,moved to Eaton bank circa 1950 to about 1961

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Hahaha .. even before your time Retlaw ... :D

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Haven't forgotten this one ... contacts not proving too helpful. Will not give up ... !

Working the above system won't work, and was doing this before you mentioned it, you need a name ! Putting in addresses only brings up about 10 million options .. even the official Haslingden Registration references doesn't help. Any little hints would help though. Ok ... I know you will let me suffer. http://planetsmilies.net/sad-smiley-384.gif

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To right you are going to suffer, You need the census returns in your hands not on some one eyed goggle box.
The census returns need to be indexed in the right program for it to work. Thats why I can go back to 1828, which is before the census's, but I have a list of ratepayers from that year.
Keep the tears flowinghttp://planetsmilies.net/sad-smiley-384.gifhttp://planetsmilies.net/sad-smiley-384.gifhttp://planetsmilies.net/sad-smiley-384.gifhttp://planetsmilies.net/sad-smiley-384.gifhttp://planetsmilies.net/sad-smiley-384.gifhttp://planetsmilies.net/sad-smiley-384.gif typical female reaction when all else fails try tears.http://planetsmilies.net/sad-smiley-384.gifhttp://planetsmilies.net/sad-smiley-384.gifhttp://planetsmilies.net/sad-smiley-384.gifhttp://planetsmilies.net/sad-smiley-384.gif

I'm enjoying this, that teach you for the remark about manipulating men.:theband::theband:
Retlaw.

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Eeew . you don't half bear a grudge... :eek:

So it's the library then ? Don't know whether I dare step in that domain ... might come across this gentleman sat in a corner covered in cobwebs.

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Is this still the question?

"I asked what was the name of the Railway Pub, before the railways were completed in Acc in 1847".

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Even going to the library may not help if you have no experience of navigating census returns.
And less of the gentleman, when you refer to me, and theres no cobwebs either.
Found a couple of pictures that will drive you even more crazy trying to identify them.:dummy:

Retlaw.

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Great LOL's Bagpuss .. yes, this is still the last question on this thread that still hasn't been answered yet. Was a slight digression somewhere along the lines.

If you have any clues p l- eee- se feel free to post them ... I will give you some karma if you get it, 'cause Retlaw won't..... :D

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I will ask my mum who was/is involved in the indexing of the census's.

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Wasn't what I was thinking :hidewall:

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Now that's a useful contact ... :)

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Not seen her yet but Retlaw seems to think she didn't do the years needed.:(

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Do not accuse me of not being a tenacious apprentice of this research into this matter of the pre-Railway Hotel name. Have just spent over 2 hours in the Local Studies of the library. Seemingly, "Retlaw had just left the building !" so we are not destined to meet, unless you were the gentleman with the walking stick I held the door open for ... :D

So far, the occupant of the Railway Hotel in 1851 was a John Stevenson and his family. I know I am correct ... was in your records.

Did cross reference with 1841 records .. he was a coachman then. Only person I could find with the title of Innkeeper on Blackburn Street/Road was a George Kendall ... no name of establishment ... damn :(

Back to the drawing board. http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-11360.gif

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were you looking at my index of the 1841 census and came across George Kendal. If so he is the man I didn't enter the name of the establishment when I printed that out for the library, its on the version in my computer though.
Knew you were no good as a detective, I was trained by my great uncle Sherlock of Baker St.

So carry on gnashing your teeth, and so much for your ability to control men. :theband::theband::theband:
Now who's laughing. ME.
:theband::theband::theband::theband::theband:
Retlaw.

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Unfortunately .. no idea how to hack a computer... :D

Found this on the micro film for 1841. No name of establishment.:(

So, George Kendal is the correct Innkeeper then in 1841 ? So why did you say the 1851 and 1841 linked up then, seeing it was a John Stevenson in 1851 who was the Innkeeper ?

That blooming Ancestry site is a real rip off .. know tis showing him .. but not putting any more money on that one .. lost some with not using my £6.95 within 14 days ... arrrgh.

Just give us a clue .. when was it built ? The library seem to have a few years missing in their trade directories, had inns for 1821, then nothing up until it was called the Railway.

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If you stand at the front door of that pub, and look south, the answer is right in front of you.

Retlaw

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Not having a sense of direction i would guess "The Railway Bridge" or Aqueduct

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Your looking West,
I give up, I always thought men would know where they were at any given time, sober ones that is.

You've been drinking Lager, thats got female hormones in it, 10 pints of that and you talk daft and can't drive.
Women have an excuse as always. Any way Katex is supposed to find the answer if you do it she'l start swanking about women controlling men again. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Retlaw.

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The Eagle ? :D

Was George Kendal(l) the proprietor/innkeeper of Kendall's Hotel then ?

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Who told you where South was.
Thats only part of the name.
I hope you've been really frustrated with the answer. I've been enjoying it.:theband:

Retlaw. :D:D:D:D:D:):):):):):)

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Eagle and Child?

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Spread Eagle ??
Golden Eagle ??
White Eagle ???
Black Eagle ???????
Lion and Eagle. ??

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One of them is the right name, but now your just using the female scattergun ploy.
Why don't you try the old favourite female ploy.

When all else fails try tears.

I can hear you now bluudy men.

Ha Ha.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Retlaw.
By the way you left out Eagle & Child, Eagle & Crown & a few more but its not them either.

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I'll go for either The Spread Eagle or Golden Eagle. Can I ask the audience ?

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don't reckon its spread eagle cos theres one approx 150 yds up blackburn rd.

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Were talking back in the 1840's that Spread Eagle wasn't there then. The buildings along Blackburn Rd, didn't all appear at once, they were built at different times starting from the Peel building.

Retlaw

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Retlaw, you have absolutely LOST me on this thread. I do hope you have a good answer!

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I have good answer, so has Katex, she just hasn't realised it yet.
How many buildings along the right hand side of Blackburn Rd, as you leave the town center, are still being used for their original purpose.
Atarah you should know when Blackburn Rd was built, if you look at the property frontages you can see the different time periods by the size and type of masonry.

Retlaw.

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No, haven't realised it yet Retlaw ... :(
What I was puzzled about is that in the 1851 census (as recorded by yerself), the Railway was No. 45 Blackburn Road (not street) .. now 84-86. Did they change them ? Must have confused the Post Office.. :D

That Kendall guy had been an Inn Keeper for many years .. he seemed to have a place in 1824 on Lower Fold .. was this on the Bull Bridge area ?

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Atarah you should know when Blackburn Rd was built, if you look at the property frontages you can see the different time periods by the size and type of masonry.

Hey how would I know anything about buildings?
I am still convinced you wont win this one!

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Thats where a lot of people fall down when they read the census returns, they take the number in the left hand column as the house number, WRONG, read all the writing on the page, that number is the number of places on his route in that area.
Houses and properties did not have numbers in those days, not until 1861. So if in 1841 there were 60 properties in that census takers patch, and at the next census after 10 years of building there could then be double the number of properties in that patch.

Look at Blackburn Rd and any other area as it ws in those years, not as it looks today, read the preamble at the start of each census section, you will learn a lot.
Streets became Roads, Areas and Wards changed,
Postmen in 1841/51 didn't need house numbers, they knew who was who and where they lived. How many people received mail in those days anyway.

You've already answerd the question, it was the SPREAD EAGLE, facing the bottom of EAGLE St. Thats looking South.
Look at the buildings in Warner St, the size of the stone blocks, those were built some time before 1841, then compare the building blocks in other streets and see the difference in stone sizes and surface finish, they change every few years.

Retlaw.

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Here endeth the first lesson. Thank you God (zilla) ... your words... LOL ....;) :D

What am I going to do now ?? My quest is ended ... sob, sob ... THE SPREAD EAGLE ... 'tis emblazoned on my heart.

So go on .. what was the name of the establishment that George Kendall owned in 1824 on Lower Fold. ? Your time starts now ... :D:D:D:D:D

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:hehetableDon't try to play games with me Katie, you will loose, I've got the name of every pub, hotel, ale house or whatever in my other computer 152 names, plus all the Yards Courts, Alleys and streets that have long gone.
The history of Accrington written by the Rev W.A. Burgess put was never published, (the only copy is in my computer) AND a file containing hundreds of names of places and properties in Accrington and district I've found dating back to 1150.
Then there are the Parish records for Altham,
Christ Church, Church Kirk, St Bartholomews and St James Accrington.

Also the 1841/51/61 census returns for Acc, cross referenced, places, trades & occupations.

So play your little mind games with some one else, it won't work with me.
:gooddog::p:p:p:p:p:D:D:tongueout:tongueout:

Relaw

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I disassociate myself from Retlaw's comment about mind games. He it is who is playing games by starting this thread in the first place with a question instead of saying right at the outset that The Railway pub was called the Spread Eagle. I have doubts about it, thinking there could be some explanation other than his own of what he and nobody else has seen. Show us.
I agree that it feasible that a pub opposite Eagle St would have the word Eagle in its name , but the pub was not there in 1842 and was called The Railway in 1853. Name changes in those days were almost unheard of and this hotel was built to attract rail travellers.

Rev Burgess' writings which Retlaw refers to will soon become widely available in print and on CD in the library. They mostyly refer to evidence obtained from land/propert ownership records and from ecclesiatical/judicial archives of the period 1tth to 18th centuries.

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Right Retlaw, you are NOT gonna win this one, by hook or by crook.
For a start I must admit I HAVE NOT looked at the route of the census man, in that area, on the 1841 Census but I will. All books I have read, all talks I have been to, HAVE NEVER, EVER, MENTIONED THE RAILWAY HAD A DIFFERENT NAME.
Thinking sensibly now, when the census man, once he was at the bottom of Eagle Street, why would he cross the road/street, directly in front of him, and start doing the houses from there. Doesnt add up to me? Am just gonna have 5 mins in the TARDIS and try and find out! Tee hee. I WILL WIN YOU YET!
And another thing, that building is never dated from 1841. Never in a million years. As Mr Dobson says, I wouldnt have thought the pub name would have changed when a bigger pub, to accommodate all the "train passengers" was built.


Atarah i.e. Confused.com

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Just love his thread and the banter between Retlaw and kate, its fierce:D

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You always were. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Retlaw

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The Rev Burgess wrote a lot about the local area,
I'm refering to his history of Accrington and district.:dummy2::dummy2::dummy2:

Retlaw.

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Retlaw! You're a bad un'
Right - lets have the proof that the so called building was named THE SPREAD EAGLE. You could be mixed up you know. Thinking "location" the Railway Pub (now) is on the corner of a street, but .. way back in 1841 maybe the Spread Eagle pub was on the corner of a street! (before Ellision Street was added to it)
Which blooming map are you looking at???? You COULD be looking at the wrong part of Blackburn Road!
STILL THINK YOU'RE WRONG, NAH NAH NAH NAH NA!

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Just because you can't see things as they were, not as they are now, then that makes me wrong, what sort of thinking is that.
You most of all should know how long I've been doing research into Accrington.:dummy2::dummy2::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Retlaw.

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I think we are up to the stage where Retlaw IMHO to gain the points should prove what he has written, if this can't be done then there will always be a doubt that his research is flawed.

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Think what like, if my research is flawed then it is up to you to prove me wrong.

Just because Katex and Dob Bobson can't find the evidence, and don't think the building was there, then tough. What am I supposed to do hold research classes in the library, teach them how to remove their 2009 glasses, and put their 1800 glasses on.
There is an old saying you can't educate pork even if it is boiled ham.
Another one.
Some folk are to green to burn, and to wooden to sink

I don't have to prove anything to you.
I've already given one of the Accy Webbers
proof.

Retlaw.

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Eeew hek ... Clash of the Titans going on here ... :)

The Railway was also called this in 1849 too Bob ... according to maps.

The Highbrake Hotel in Huncoat became the Railway Hotel .. but was 1893 ... so maybe planning allowed this then. Is still difficult to get a property change name even today

Thing is .. this George Kendall was listed as an Inn Keeper in 1841 on Blackburn Street. Not sure how much of this was built though before became Blackburn Road .. he seems to be the only one ... more research I guess.. :D

More to say, but off out soon .. where ?... meeting of the local history society on a lecture about the Leeds/Liverpool canal ... :D Have learnt plenty on this recent journey, awakened a new interest in me (still got the others though LOL).

Luvs ya' Ret Babe (he'll hate me for that) x

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Oi you ... I am not doubting you .. just that Bob Dobson bloke (sorry Bob).

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Calm down, I'm not saying your research is flawed it just seems we might be at a standstill and thought you might jump at the opportunity to put one over the rest of us, what's the point of having information and not sharing it:confused:

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[QUOTE=Retlaw;762431] What am I supposed to do hold research classes in the library, teach them how to remove their 2009 glasses, and put their 1800 glasses on.
that might not be a bad idea, educate the oiks n make a bob or two out of it.:D

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Retlaw, you know we all love you (well, maybe not love .....lets say, think you're ok) but .... cos this has never been mentioned before, BY ANYONE EVER, we just want to try and find out if its true. Thats all :-)

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Hate you B***h.
An example of wearing your 1840 glasses when doing research.
In 1841 there were just 20 properties from the end of Union St along Blackburn St, to Hyndburn House (where Freddy Steiner lived)
In 1851 there were 70 properties from Union St along Blackburn Rd, to Hyndburn House.

Now take your 2009 glasses off when you look at Blackburn Rd from Broadway to the railway viaduct, firstly very few of them were the shops and businesses that they are today, they were mostly houses, what you see today is the result of donkeys years of alterations, in both frontages and height.
If those properties had'nt been there along part of Blackburn St when the started to bring puffer trains to Acc, then there would not have been that dammed big S bend in the line running towards Burnley.

Switch on your mental time machine, and see things as they were, from the written evidence in the Census returns and other records.

And by the way back in 1841 there were two Accringtons, Old & New, the present day Railway Pub was in OLD Accrington, and there were no such thing as planning boards or the need for special planning permission to alter buildings and change names.
Read the Burgess report on the health of Accrington in the 1850's, about open sewers inadequate water supplies, cellar and other buildings unfit for habitation

Retlaw.

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Want to borrow my time machine, dogs using it at the moment but she should be back soon.

Retlaw.

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Ok, but for your informtion, I've been collecting info on Accrington for more years that a lot of Accy Webbers have lived.
I started with a card index of every name that was associated with Accrington, from Abbey St thro to Wulhyrst Yate. Then 18 years ago I computerised the records which have been added to time and time again, there are now 68 A4 pages, 3 colums per page, hundreds of entry's.
If I thought it was wrong it would never have been posed as a question for Katex, if its 1/2 a thou out its scrap.

Before you ask, the answer is no its never been printed, I do this for my own interest.

I doubt if it could be transferred from my computer in any readable form, it is in a 20 year old DOS program and Bill Gates's sh1te makes it into garbage, I've tried.

What makes me angry is why should I carry on doing this when people question its validity, if it was on the book shelves in Accy Library, it would be accepted as a source, people accept Ainsworth's crap as gospel, even thou no one can find the sources for a lot of his crap in any public record office. If any one should have to prove anything it should have been ainsworth.

Retlaw.

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You're so attractive when you're angry ... :D

I am trying to learn here ... I am the virgin (historian that is) .. was supporting you when I said I discovered that George Kendall was the only Inn Keeper on Blackburn Street in Old Accrington in 1841 ... so that's why was asking how far did it stretch ... ?

One thing that I found interesting tonight as I passed it .. it did appear to have a Georgian Bay on the side (see Atarah's little quiz), which could prove built before 1830/40, however, could be was just a fancy bit put on later ?

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Hi Virgin. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Yes it was built before 1840, if you compare the footprint of it, it would make a book end with the footprint of the Red Lion pub in Abbey St.

I wonder if the cellars are the same, I've photographed the cellars under the Red Lion.

AND, just to put your mind at rest George Kendall was the Landlord.

Retlaw.

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Feel like that George Kendall is part of me family now ... even looked at birth records for St. James's and, yes, had a son baptised there in 1824 .. that's how I knew he had an inn in Lower Fold. Trouble is the records stop at 1825 and don't pick up again until 1890 (on the internet). Will they have the in betweeny at the Library ? He was only about 24 then, so will probably have had a lot more children (as they did), when he lived at the inn on Blackburn Street. Thought it may have shown the address. tee hee.

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In 1841 he as 40 years of age his wife Jane is shown as 45, two sons William (15) Apprentice Engraver, Matthew (15) Apprentice Butcher.
Ignore the age 15 for both they were not twins, in the 1841 census for some unknown reason ages of children were rounded up and down, so one could have been 16 and the other 14.

Think his wife may be a bit to old for any more, they could have had more children who died in infancy, the mortality rate in them days was high.
In 1851 George and Jane Kendall are living in Timber St, with a daughter Margaret age (34) he describes himself as Farmer of Cowman.
Theree is a Matthew Kendal age (27) living in Scaitcliffe St, he's a Railway Porter. No sign of William.

Retlaw.

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Gosh, he had a change in career then:D Makes you wonder what happened.

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He got out of the licensing trade cos he had a "vision" that Retlaw would be looking him up in the year 2009!

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The Government banned spitting in pubs and he couldn't afford to build a spitting shelter so he lost all of his customers

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Very good Jeff:D

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I wonder if Retlaw knows that there is a beerhouse, the style of which leads me to think it was built in the pre-railway era, further along Blackburn road. It is called The Spread Eagle. Is it likely that there would be two pubs in close proximity with the same name? There may well have been a building on the Railway Hotel site, pre 1848, but I am not convinced it was a pub called The Spread Eagle. We don't know just when The Railway pub was built. I am wanting to admit that Retlaw is correct. He often, but not always, is.He seldom is temperate in presenting his pints,preferring to accuse others of blinkered viewing and playing mind games. If he didn't have some good qualities I would go round and break his windows.Them as lives in glasshouses......

Between the Railway Hotel and the Spread Eagle was another pub, though I don't know when it was built Not as early as the Spread Eagle I think. It was called The Albion ( Albion St is nearby) but since the 1870s (?) it has been called the Imperial.

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Your not joining the gang with the childish behavour of na na na nana prove it, and because you don't know where to look, and didn't find it first I'm wrong. Grow up.

Along Blackburn Rd/St, since it was built in 1827,
there has been 13 pubs, ale houses, call them what you will, in some sort of order are as follows.

Albion, Antley, Commercial, Crown, Free Trade. Gardners Arms, Hyndburn, Nags Head, Odd Fellows, Roundabout, Seven Stars, Thwaites Arms, Volunteer Arms and last but not least Ring o Feathers.

Remind me to ignore next time your in the Library. By the way read post 160 the building is a near enough copy of the Red Lion in Abbey St, but the opposite hand. When Blackburn Rd was built the stage coaches changed their route and no longer went past Court Farm to the Warner Arms, but stopped at the Spread eagle instead.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Retlaw.

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Hi.
I'd like to add a bit to this thread, so here goes. As an historian I'm on the same level as Katex.:D This is what I've got to say.
I'm siding with Retlaw on this mainly because he has documents to prove that The Railway Hotel was known under a different name and the "stange"name of Eagle St. and pubs and churches were the satnavs of our yesterdays.
Why was it called Eagle St. ? There must be an explanation somewhere, the names of streets, usually, came from the names of Mayors, Landowners,Churches etc.. Before the railway came to Accy. Eagle St. would not have exsisted, I dont think it was called after the name of the bird because they nested round there, it's not their type of habitat.So, after the decision to build the station, land acquired etc., word would have spread to outlying districts and people would arrive in Accy. looking for work, when they asked for directions to the site they would have been told to turn left/right at the Eagle and go up "yon track", or the workers after a hard days work wanting to refresh their thirst went down the "road to the Eagle" . When this track became the access road to the station it already had a name Eagle Road/ St. Later on when it became fashionable to be associated with anything "railway" the owner of the Eagle changed its name to The Railway Hotel. If the pub had been a church it would have been called St Whatevers St.. Though I can't see the workers wanting "refresh their thirst" with holy water.:D
Though it may not be the correct explanation and a long one it seems a logical one.
Tetti

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There is no accounting for some of the names for streets in Accrington. One of the names I've never fathomed out is Lemonius St, and take Fox St for another, Foxes? behind the railway station?.
Then you have Cannon St, that is the 2nd street of that name in Acc, and there was a Water St before the one that runs paralell with Avenue Parade was created.
Retlaw

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Hi. The impression I get is that there are people who do not seem to believe that there was a pub called The Spread Eagle before it was renamed The Railway Hotel, I was trying to make the point that there is evidence to back up your documentation. I dont have these documents nor do I have the census forms from 1841/51 and I am not in a position to visit the library I closed my eyes and tried to visualise that area of Accy.. The other thing I thought it could have been is that there was a Bank or other company that had an eagle as an emblem though I thought that very unlikely. There are probably other streets named after pubs, next quest for Katex perhaps!:D
Tetti

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There were two families living in Eagle St in 1841.
Hutchinson's and the Hilton's.
So it was Eagle St before the railways came.

Retlaw.