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If you could comprehend you would realise what I was getting at.:rolleyes:

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it wasn't about my comprehension, twas about saying clearly what ya mean, which ya didn't.:rolleyes:

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you are right in most of your assumptions dave, all i want the local people to do is when they walk through my grounds especially when they walk past my home, is pick up the dog poo and put their dogs on a lead, the area is .2 of a mile.

with regards the other comments and derogatory remarks re an eyesore of a fence, and were we put the manure etc is none of others peoples business, but, being the kind of man i am, i always listen as i might well be doing something wrong, i have an open mind and not a closed one.

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Look, accyweb is for putting forward personal views about life, however we/it isn't only about, me, me, me.
It may be too late for you, all you have talked about is me/mine/my own.

Perhaps if you take a look at the broader aspect of accyweb, you will see a larger picture of others and their points of view,

otherwise I suspect you won't gain friends, just points to protest about?

What the heck...
just keep going as you are, 100 years from now you won't be making any difference like the rest of us.
:)

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no neil its not!! thats why we havent taken such action, we are talking really about the dangerous bred dogs(that bad boys seem to have as an image)
let me ask you a simple question if your dog cat lamb or horse was being badly bitten or in our case killed what would you do to stop it? some breed of dogs then turn on humans, im sure youve read the incidents in liverpool were a young child was killed,
the problem is although i would love to implement this is, you cant have one rule for one and one for another. as ive said previously there is no problem with the good honest folk of accy.

i was on the lane yday and met 3 very understanding and very nice folk, all locals i may add.

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utter garbage!! and to still be petty about the english language is just beyond reason!! it prob- floats your boat?
if it was me/myself and i, i would put up more gates and stiles to ensure all was as it should be ie for Walkers only, may i suggest les you introduce your personality to Half full instead of half empty.rob

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on a lead i hope less,

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the friends point, less i have to many to mention and i have many from accy,rammy, rishton,hassy, burnley, and room for many more, and a working class man done well, shares the considerations of others.

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If I was using the right of way and 'KNEW', that there are local folk on there to Rob, I too, (notice, not to, but too), would walk with a dangerous dog to keep myself safe.
:) vernacular is alot quicker less,

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Bollocks doesn't get the point across though does it?
:D

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nah nah da nah nah

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oh yes it does, its pantomine season i see

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So what your really saying is.

You have some youths (bad boys) who come and harrass you / your animals and happen to have a dog with them, that has due to owners negligence caused harm to your animals.

Having walked up that way many a time (Although I dont come on to your land as I go the other way) and having to walk past 20-30 youths / kids on my way up I sympathise if this is a problem you have.

I have read many dog bite incidents but the bread of dogs bitting is very large, Of corse to see this you wouldnt have to rely on what the media publishes.

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Oh, dear, you're fixated aren't you?
:)

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less you quote half of people are below average.

i quote alot of people cant process information and deliver answers as quick as others, but it doesnt make them inferior than others!!!
we are living in an electronic era,

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Yes, I do and I also jump to conclusions.

Which half do you suppose I've concluded you belong to?

(My signature shouldn't be quoted unless you are really desperate...

Ah, yes, I see you are).
:o

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hahaha take your time reading my posts less, as you are either obstinate, or an accy character??
i have given you clarity on the problem and you still seem not to have a clue?????????????????????????????/

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mainly thats the problem, but the dog poo is a general problem, kids on scrambler bikes used to be a problem for me and others on the coppice, but we resolved that.

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you can quote mine anytime as i dont talk b------s, and can remember what ive said, goodbye l--- and have a nice week

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Only 4 hours to go, I bet you can't calm down, read another thread on here and post in it before midnight.

We get all sorts on here, but the least popular are those that stick to one thread.
Yes, it's your problem, but surely you have other interests?

Give us a chance to know you.

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Ah go on we get three a week like you, then you hang on watching the thread, (just in case), prove to be different, you said goodbye, mean it.

(top right hand corner just click on Log Out).
:D

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i embrace your points and i have invited many of the webbers to call in and have a cup of tea, plus you can have alook round if you wish, i am aware that there are other threads to share but my main points are about spire farm its history, if you go to my very first post on page one you will see were it as led from people interested in my historic home to the critics.rob p.s. for you only i will log out(for now)

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Liar, Liar, Pants on fire!

You are still logged on!
:D

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hahaha ive come back on to see your reply,got to go now as im chuckling to much at your response

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Do you mean TOO much?
;)

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I could be missing the point, but I fail to see why some of you are showing so much animosity towards RHFOY. From what I can see he seemed to be acting in good faith when he started the thread. Think it's time for an armistice.

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Well it should be allowed.

By law dogs have to be kept under control by the owner.
So if a dog is bothering your animals it is not under control.

Maybe you should be allowed to shoot the dog owner instead :D:D

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i think i have answered most peoples concerns, i now think most of the threads are wind up ones about grammer or what can we print now to annoy him, all thats left for me to do now is have an open day at my home. this will prove who really wants their concerns answered and have a tour of the great place, this is my last pledge to the concerned and we couldnt be any more fairer than that.
so if folk are interested in this we could do it sunday 28 nov or sunday 5 dec, i await...

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He doesnt even live at the spire anymore he only has some staff there for the stables.So its not really a family home is it! Also how can you "bar" someone from a right of way, this statement gives in insight into what his true agenda is, which is to try and stop people walking or riding (horses,mountain bikes etc) through what he sees as his estate.The footpath where it was sited was hidden from view of the house by a laurel hedge so what was the problem with that? As for the wall it was knocked down by excavators on his land so were they not in his employ?The stream that leads nowhere is an interesting one where does Mr Foy think it goes after that ,is there some kind of cavernous underground lake beneath Accrington that nobody KNOWS about? Having said all that improvement of any area or house must be applauded when gone about the right way he still has time to redeem all and prove some of us wrong ! But i am not holding my breath!;)

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What about when animals bother you/your dogs?

Should you be allowed to shoot/harm them?

:D

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Yes as long as your dog is under control at the time otherwise it should be your dog shot and the owner as well :rolleyes::D

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you stupid man, your allegations are both absurd and border on brain dead, you are a ? and a coward, if you doubt anything ive said come and meet me, then you can rewrite your threads with an apology, you are forever the doubter and a scaremonger who scribbles ****e down with no substance to your claims, for some reason you dont want to chat face to face, so its best that i ignore your idle claims and CONCENTRATE on those who have a vested interest in listening, you have lowered the bar, and you continue to abuse my grounds and you WILL BE THE FIRST TO HAVE AN INJUNCTION PLACED ON THEM, WHILST THE OTHER 99& CONTINUE to enjoy THE AMBIENCE OF OUR HOME, and even a drink on the way past, you bitter very bitter man, how sad!!!!!

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well walkinman, have no idea who is right or who is wrong, but to my mind the opportunity is yon, go talk to the guy! in other words "Put Up or Shut Up"

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As you said cashman you dont know who is right but i do, so to meet Mr Foy is a waste of time and effort. Also for his information i have never abused his or anybodys grounds. Mr Foy is entitled to his opinion as i am to mine but i would not be so presumptuous to call him stupid and bitter for having said opinions as you said in an earlier post cashman "folk aint blind".;)
And by the way how come he gets away with capitals and i didnt?:D

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so ya say, but people reading this thread in the main have no idea who's right, just the posts of 2 who disagree, fact, so i must assume as the guy who's offered to talk to ya, is cos you refuse to talk to him, simple common sense.

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True, well we will agree to disagree on this!
But he still got away with the shouting thing:D:D

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What shouting thing? Please explain.

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In one post I said block capitals are the internet way of shouting - which it is.

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Well I know who I'd believe and it isn't Mr Foy!:rolleyes:

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Why? give n example then?:confused:

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im sure you would change your mind if you met me, im also very sure that if i had an hidden agenda i wouldnt be so obliging.!!!

in life i always see the best in people, my great father taught me that!!!
and treat those people the way you would like to be treated!! great values i still have!!
i havent changed any of this even though i now live in a nice home and drive a nice car, please dont stereotype me, as im.. the same humble man as when i worked in a factory as a framemaker in the furniture industry!!!

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yes i do sometimes respond in a subjective manner rather than an objective one. we all have weaknesses.

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maybe i get away with it as i dont thread spurious claims, and make stupid remarks.
i think you need to rewind your threads and although you havent used my words, you will find similar ones, that are far worse in their claims..
the shonky fence will be reduced in height next wk, as i agreed with your remark.rob.

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There is nothing spurious or stupid to me in my opinions,as we are all allowed to have our own ideas and thoughts one mans meat is anothers poison.The outcome will be obvious with time and i hope to be proved wrong and if i am so be it all power to your elbow Mr foy as i said time will tell,i will look forward to seeing and hearing on accy web to the outcome of the development and will keep walking and looking at what goes on around the Spire.I hope you live up to your promises, if you do then it can only benefit a Accrington landmark which should be treated with respect and care by whoever owns it, and kept in a state which benefits the walkers, horse riders, and responsible dog owners who have enjoyed the area for many many years before and hopefully long after myself and Mr Foy are just a distant memory.:)

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If you can make out the building in the centre of the photo , it is Spire Farm viewed from Fern Gore , taken a couple of years ago .

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another one for the collection thank you

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you will see the huge eyesore at the back ie the barn removed and put were the sand paddock/manege is, just so you know the conservationists class the front of the house at the other side to the one you walk past, if you did call in you would see so much as changed on that elevation, ie ive opened up all the arched windows, and doors, and the huge arched window as been replaced with an hardwood one, the barn will be removed by july 2011 and the tempory wooden barns will be down by then, the bungalow as also been upgraded im sure you have noticed this?...

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the stone masons will be very busy next year as the front as been hammered by the winds over the years, and the staircase to the top of the tower needs to be a more traditional one,and the galleries need to be redesigned, all the oil tanks will be moved away from the house/houses into their own area at the top of the old lane... and lots more to do. so as you say i hope you keep to your promise,well heres a few more that i will adhere to.Rob:-)

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Can't really but I do know who walkingman is and I know he wouldn't make that kind of stuff up, it's not in his nature, not in his interests and he certainly does have experience in the building trade!

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saying the guy don't live there, n then refusing to go talk wi him, has very little to do wi building trade experience, knowing neither of em meself, gives the impression to me who is right.:confused: cos to me nowt can be resolved without discussion by the parties.;)

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Can't see what all the argy bargy is about, first off who's property is it, why should the current owner of High Riley Farm need to consult or be advised by any other than the local council.
Would any of you put up with outside interference with any of your
own property restorations, I think not.
Did the owners of High Riley back in the 1820's consult any one when they incorporated the old tower that stood behind High Riley Cottages into the barn at High Riley farm.
Never heard any fuss when Leafield Barn was altered, looks nothing like it did when the Wright family owned it.

Retlaw.

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Can you tell me when the Wright family had the Leafield i only remember the Richards family being there in my lifetime cause i am but a whippersnapper.The alterations to the Leafield where done by a builder called Roy barnes when he made another dwelling from the barn as well as renovating the original house , which i suppose is an easier project than the Spire because it does not need LBC.

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The Wright family moved from Hambeldon Hall some time after WW1, they were at Leafield Barn untill some time in the 1950's.
I only knew the mother Mrs Wright, a real formidable woman, and her three sons George, Harry & Richard. George went into property repairing, and Harry worked for some time at Moseleys Bakery in Jacob St, I think Richard was the last one to use it as a farm, they had a rooster that attacked any one who went near the place, I always carried a stick with me when I went to West farm.

Retlaw.

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Agree to my way of thinking nowt at all, the fact the owner is prepared to consult, n objector refuses says it all to me.

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Thanks for that retlaw although the Richards family did farm the leafield along with other family members who still live at moleside farm to the left of west farm at the top of sandy lane, one of the brothers Thomas Richards had a butchers shop up willows lane.

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I am certain that RH Foy is more than willing to give, free of charge, large bags of horse manure for next years crop of rhubarb, this helps to bring out the sweetness. It is quite clear that by putting custard on this years crop, has left a very sour and bitter taste in some peoples mouths.

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hahaha very good, i have a sister called denise ann foy but i dont think thats you??.. people can help themselves to the manure, thats untill i can turn it into fuel for the machines on the farm

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This thread reminds me of the first time I saw The Matrix at the cinema - I watched it from the beginning but left not knowing what the hell is was all about!

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You really ought to find out -
...you would be amazed :D

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.....the plot thickens.....

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This threads getting weirder by the day.:confused:

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Hi, yep big sis. Just felt that I had to make a comment due to the mentality of some folk, who clearly are not interested in the restoration of Spire Farm. I feel that some threads are a personal dig at you. Knew new, to too, their there, is his, what does it matter??? Maybe you should restore the farm back to the 1800s as some folk are clearly still living in that era.

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Just for the record, spelling and grammar are ignored now when marking exam papers.

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And what a bad move IMHO, spelling and grammar are a major part of understanding the written word. These moves are not helping our young peope at all:mad:

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hi denise/sister how did you find out about this forum in preston??
sadly it as got petty re grammer, but people in glass houses shouldt throw stones,.. if you look at one particular thread, you will chuckle.

some folk thing there being clever by correcting such petty mistakes.. this as created a distraction of the first posting i did,, people of accy are entitled to thier genuine concerns as are others who dont want to see an historic landmark ruined by contempory styles, its a great shame that most of them havent seen the way its been ruined inside... as we were brought up to care for all others, this is why i have let the good genuine folk of accy aware of whats going on.
in this day and age you CANNOT win all people over, but if the majority are gratefull that ive kept them informed, then a small few will have to live with not taking up my offer to chat have a look round andEVEN suggest ideas, and finally to those who i/we have confused could i just say that this as been created by those immature people who simply wont wait for the end result or wont put their dogs on a lead or pick up the dog poo, when they pass through our grounds, these people never get the point untill they actually suffer from a dog related incident, and even then they would find a reason to not blame themselves.

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We do have a Private Message service where you can have your family chats.:rolleyes:

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if they did then we wouldnt have forums/facebook/ twitter these have been created to inform the world of other peoples business/concerns/need of help. so maybe cicero would have to come up with a 2010 era quote.

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hahaha, read past the first two sentences and you will find its a generic thread

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hello atarah, yes i did get a copy and since we last chatted on here back in feb-? i have aquired so much more history, hope your well, and again thank you for your help.

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thank you retlaw for your assesment, as you say what as it got to do with anyone apart from the local planning at the council, sadly my posting as got tied into a seperate argument re the right of way through our grounds, most folk show respect but only a few( including mature ages) seem to think that they can do what ever they want, and they sit outside local rules/bylaws? but im sure you have read ALL my invites to them to discuss their concerns, sadly they would rather carry on being empty vessels rather than having an open and transparent chat.

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A lot of people like to ignore the truth so they can hang on to some poor argument or repeat some rubbish told to them by someone else. It would appear you have a few of those walking past your property.

So for the record how many have taken you up on your kind offer?

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hi neil, wait for it......... NONE

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I am shocked....Not :rolleyes::D

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hi retlaw, do you know if plantation street that changes to plantation road, was part of the kings highway? or was the kings highway on the other side of the bypass??

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The kings highway runs parallel to the A56 bypass but on the top side of it along lower moleside and through west farm land.

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pardon my ignorance but is the westfarm land on the other side of the bypass to were i live??

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Yes above the bypass towards hambledon and lower moleside

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No the Kings Highway that is within the bounds of Accrington, starts at the roundabout just past the Griffin Inn, up past Windy Harbour Farm and twists and turns its way behind Blue Slates, carry's on behind Higher Hey, then on to Stonefold.
Plantation St hasn't always been connected to Plantation Rd, in the past Plantation Rd was a continuation of Birtwistle St.
Google Earth shows some of the Kings Highway.
Retlaw.

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Quite a lot of farm land was separated when that bypass was built, Greenfield Farm disappeared, Slate pits farm had an underpass built, and numerous foot paths were diverted or blocked altogether.

Retlaw.

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thank you for the facts

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thank you retlaw for your help again!!

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The Importance of Correct Punctuation
-unknown

Dear John:
I want a man who knows what love is all about. You are generous, kind, thoughtful. People who are not like you admit to being useless and inferior. You have ruined me for other men. I yearn for you. I have no feelings whatsoever when we're apart. I can be forever happy--will you let me be yours?
Gloria

Dear John:
I want a man who knows what love is. All about you are generous, kind, thoughtful people, who are not like you. Admit to being useless and inferior. You have ruined me. For other men, I yearn. For you, I have no feelings whatsoever. When we're apart, I can be forever happy. Will you let me be?
Yours,
Gloria

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Just when you thought it was safe to log on to Accy Web again the "Spire Farm Development" thread rears its head once more!!! The best soap opera since Eldorado!!

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hi Steve, i will not be making anymore comments with regards these type of postings, as i said to retlaw these have distracted from the initial posting. Rob

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Sorry, I was being a bit of a cheeky sod when I posted that. Still trying to work out how it all got so crazy! Think we should take a leaf from the soldiers in WW1 and one of us throw a football into nomansland!!

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This is an example of how threads of how threads go crazy
How to change a light bulb

One to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed

Fourteeen then share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently

Seven then caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs

Mod moves it to the Lighting section

Two then argue to move it to the Electricals section

Seven then point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs

Five go on to flame the spell checkers

Three argue to correct spelling/grammar flames

Six argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another six to condemn those six as stupid

Two industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"

Fifteen know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct

Nineteen then post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum

Eleven try defending the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum

Thirty Six to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty

Seven then post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs

Four then post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's

Three then post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group

Thirteen link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too"

Five to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy

Four say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"

Thirteen say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs"

One forum lurker responds to the original post 6 months from now and will start it all over again.


The above is a typlical example of what happens to most threads on Accy Web.
Retlaw

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eyes to the right ? eyes to the left ? retlaw you must have the patience off a saint, wow !!!

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i dont quite follow this as its either very deep or clever? maybe its on a plaque in the dungeon? please advise. :-)

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i didnt see it as being cheeky, i read it as he has a point.

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do you think i shouldnt have bothered doing my original posting? and secondly do you think i have been silly in some of my own postings? retlaw? i love constructive criticism !!! as i feel it improves my attitude.

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Mate, everyone can post pretty much what they want as long as it's not offensive, demeaning or abusive & you play the game, get yourself across to other threads & don't just bury yourself in this one about your Farm.

As to the Punctuation thing from *Yerself* Think it was more aimed at your Sisters comment :-

Originally Posted by Denise A Foy
Knew new, to too, their there, is his, what does it matter???

In that depending on where you punctuate the context changes & the sentence reads differently. Basics really, but hey, on here most spelling & punctuation flies against the norm. People will either accept it, or on occasion have a prod at it or the Author. No Worries :D

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You did what you thought was right, and you now have a lot of history of the site, don't let detractors bother you, they appear on most web sites, and seem to enjoy baiting people, every circus has to have its clowns, just laugh at them.
Retlaw.

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all advise and ind- comments i have digested, i take on board what you have quoted re other threads, i am a member off many more forums so due too time restrictions sadly this doesnt happen,

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as always retlaw thank you for your advise.Rob.

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I think you forgot to answer my question in response to your post below




Unless I missed your answer in all the blurb on this thread :D

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hi, when the 2 guys came to see me and educate me re the dangers off having horse manure too close to a river, they said it runs into nothing of a serious nature and sort of decipitated( not to sure if thats the correct spelling) which i presume is underground, ie water soaks in to the ground, hope that answers your question, they have never been back, i also had to put some defence supports in like they do on the bankings off motorways.

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furthermore if they or i am wrong please correct me and i will undertake further action.Rob

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Council is now on his case with the environment agency to get it shifted,as said in previous post introducing contaminants into water courses is never good "decapitated" or not;)

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Not before time . And they should make him reinstate the original footpath

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Walked through Spire Farm this afternoon. The Pile of horse manure is still blocking his unofficial footpath.