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The footpath is due to moved back to its original line before to much longer, as the field that it was moved into has been bought by a different person. Although the pile of manure still is rhfoys responsibility and as i said council and environmental health are on his case.:):).As you say about time :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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I believe that Tom Jackson has or is buying the field on condition that Foy reinstates the footpath

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Work will commence wednesday11th jan 2012.
It is true that when mr rhfoy sold the fields to a nice local farmer we agreed to reopen the existing prow. It is also correct that the Lancashire council have wrote to me telling me to get it done.it will be open for the public only on foot,but I'm sorry to inform you that due to the requests of the council to return it to a past state,and the need to come through my front drive,that any animals including dogs are not permitted. May I also make you aware that without prior permission the taking of photographs of our home,stables and land is not permitted.

I am very sad that I have to take this decision, but due to the puerile attitude of a few,they have spoilt it for the other 99% . I am still prepared to sit down with the respectful people of accrington, and discuss this very sad situation.

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The manure heap is staying put. Be very careful what you post. It is incorrect that the enviro department have instructed me in any regard. If you know so much about nowt, why doesnt your walk determine were that minute overflow stream goes too. The facts are what I have told you ! So instead of bag washing put some facts on here !
The muck heap as your vernacular describes it,is in fact not on an unofficial footpath. If it bothers you that much, close your eyes on the way through, or even better don't botherwalking through our grounds !

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This is being done for you w/c 9th january 2012

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Get your facts right or don't post.it's on my land and is staying there. The only change you will see next wk is this. The quality soil it as produced will be used elsewhere, so it could well be halved for now

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See below to your quote

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See post 204 for my/our reply

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So are we saying (not been keeping up with this thread) if I wish to walk on the "public" footpath past spire farm and I have my dogs with me I wont be allowed?

can I ask how will this be enforced / restricted?

Also you mention photo's will not be allowed to be taken, can I also ask how this will be enforced especially if taken from the "public" footpath.

Reason I ask is sometimes I may walk up that way with my dogs and camera.

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Watch it , can you not read its NOT allowed:rolleyes::D:D

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Where is the sentry post being built?

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It is my understanding that you can not stop people walking on the public footpath with a dog as long as the dog is under close control. If you decided to build your drive on a public footpath you must have agreed people could walk on it.



As for taking photos you should check into that. You are permitted to take photos in a public place which a public footpath is.

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RHFOY's in this clip from 'Auf Wiedersehen Pet', played by Jimmy Nail. About 2mins 30secs in.

Auf Wiedersehen Pet - A law for the rich (2of5) - YouTube

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Ignore Foy - he's just posting a load of old rubbish. Just walk where you want, with you want and do what you want as long as you're on the public footpath.

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Have none of you got anything better to do than worry about what's going on at Spire Farm, it has jack all to do with any of you. You all need to grow up and get a life and show some respect!!! If it bothers you that much DON'T USE IT!!!!!
Small minds...............

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Public footpaths are legal rights of way and a land owner cannot do what he wants with them. If he has built a driveway on a public footpath then that part of his drive is still a public right of way.

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No one is saying it isnt.

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Mr Foy is saying dogs are not permitted.:rolleyes:

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It isn't anything to do with having small minds, or for that matter what is going on at Spire Farm(in the social sense).
It is what is going on with a public right of way that is the issue.
If people want to exercise their right to walk on a Public Footpath, then that is their business....and if they cannot do so because someone has built a driveway or whatever over this public right of way then they have every right to take issue with whoever has done this.(only her second post too_

If we stop using public footpaths then they will no longer be designated as such and this would probably please the owner of Spire farm.
Use it or lose it.

I have just been ruminating on whether this poster Walkingwoman, has anything to do with spire farm....such is the tone of her post in this thread.

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I aint been ruminating i'm 90% sure.

Let me give you a warm and pleasant welcome to the site, from your attitude I can see we will all benefit from your wisdom.

Yes we have a great many things we could worry about than what is going on at Spire Farm, unfortunately we can't get on with those things because someone is beggering about with a public right of way, that person needs to be stopped for the sake of those that do want to use it.

It may have been more impressive in your opening post on here if you had shown yourself to be a little more polite, perhaps if you had said, 'it has nothing to do with you', you may have got your point across without sounding a touch ignorant?

We are grown up enough to recognise a childish mind such as yours, to whom should we show respect? Someone that is trying to walk over everyone elses rights for their own selfish reasons? Now that would be silly.

I think you are missing the point, people are bothered because someone is trying to stop them using it, that is the one that should consider showing respect not the rest of the world.

I look forward to your next set of rants which will no doubt follow shortly in more and more vehement forms.
Meanwhile do not feel you must restrict yourself to this thread, take a look around the site there must be alot more threads you can smear with you own individual form of homespun wisdom.

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In fairness Less,it was posted at 2-24 in the morning, probably a bit of Dutch Courage was needed?:rolleyes::DShe will probably return on October 31st.

I don't think fairness should come into it when dealing with idiots, treat em as they deserve.

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Yep yer quite correct, i just wish i wasn't so goodhearted,:D Think perhaps walkingwoman should consider purchasing this?How to Win Friends and Influence People - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia :D

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She doesn't need it...she has her own way of doing it.
At least Christmas won't be too expensive for her!

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The aim of the footpath disruption has always been to stop people using it, when in its original position it was hidden from the house Mr Foy" occupies" by virtue of it being behind a hedge and at the far side of what he calls his drive so why change its position if you are not suffering from Lord of the Manor syndrome:confused:

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When you seek to antagonise people, as he does, it invariably provokes negative feelings directed against you.

This is not a good thing to do because thoughts are more powerful than you think.

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As i said small minds.............

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Oh yeh mean like yours? i base that on fact yeh came on here early morning, no introduction,( which is your choice) not compulsory, For it seems the sole purpose of this thread? no intention at all of joining in the forum? Came in all guns blazing n expect people to tolerate yeh? Life aint like that, The small mind is yours.:rolleyes:

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Cashy, you echoed my sentiments admirably.
We know who has the small mind....don't we?

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I think it would be nice if we went for an AccyWeb dog walking afternoon one Sunday. Anyone know of anywhere we go hold it?

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What a good idea, give us enough notice.:D

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Dogs are optional but preferred :D

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I think you'd look great with a collar & lead:D:D:D:D

Retlaw.

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Yep reckon i would, perhaps walkingwoman would be kind enough to lead me?:D;)

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Let's all walk through with as many dogs as possible and muddy boots

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The ffotpath through Spire Farm was being prepared for us this week.

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excuse spelling my finger slipped with excitement

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Thought you had a stammer!:D

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Can I be the official photographer?

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And don't forget to take your cameras, lovely views therabouts. :D:D

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I will do it doing your house. Is that a public place?
Regards your dog, you might want to read the prow rules for dogs, look at the certain conditions. Then watch this space. Read the last sentence with regards certain dogs. Maggots and fish come to mind:-)

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Thought you would have taken enoght by now, rules can be changed
mug heap looking good, oh and the new spring that as suddenly appeared. Had utilities out to fix it before we new. So bring you bottles. It makes a great brew.

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In Syria sadly

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It's going nowwhere it will be halved soon as I got sum new paddocks to create. Land not cheap,don't think ther building any more. Although other planets have some.

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It was a potential diversion that we would of got. But had to sell to raise funds for injection of cash required. So now it's back and even wider then before through our drive, we cut the hawthorn bushes back, to ensure you don't scratch yourself. It was that wide in 1960. But is it in the right place as it was now. For those who are 60ish I'm sure you know. As other locals who are helpful say it may well not be. Hope it isn't;-):-)

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Lord of high Riley I prefer.

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Done hope this makes you very happy. But is the original as the know how's say it is. Sean the enforcement officer is a really nice and helpful man. Just like I am. Only death to my animals, and dangerous dog **** that could now appear on the alleged original
footpath. The laurels and the small snicket through our drive, was in fact way to narrow ? It as to be 12 foot wide and it wasn't so for now we have opened it up and given the walkers the full width of the drive for now

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Only certain type disrespectfulls antegonise me but mainly my wife as it's her professional operation and there her champion winning horses. To all horse lovers have a look. The one that spooked and is now in a bad way, is not very funny, to sum it may be!

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Your field lane is back in.

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Lord of high Riley I prefer

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Keep with in the boundaries the law says.correct re driveway

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Who's Foy don't know him you I'll mannered human. Plenty of tea leafs up there!

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Correct ish yes

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Thank You Mr Foy for reinstating the footpath. Please do not tar all dog owners with the same brush. I am really sorry for the loss of one of your animals and for your horse that has been spooked. I am sure responsible dog owners would agree with me. Responsible dog owners would always put their dogs on leads going through property with livestock.

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Thank you for your respects. Have a nice day

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Surprised you didn't correct me, like I had..I was awaiting it !

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There is a great walk down a lane near that house that some think is a castle,but isn't really, he put a great new road in for us, he also ensured the path was the best it had ever been. Then some know it alls,starting complaint to the prow at the councill as the wanted the old road back.sadly because certain puerile folk old and new thought it is beneath them to pick the dog poo and put their dogs on a leash. So after a part of the family (and that's what animals are as animal owners know) mrs Foy what that distressed we had to do what any normal human would do.
Anyway it's a lovely day for walking the dog. Have a nice day.

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Dear Lord of high Riley/ Spire Farm thanks for the footpath works jolly decent of you, but if you had just left it where it was in the first place you would not have had to go through all this rigmarole.Nobody including footpath officers had complained about its width position etc , but never mind alls well that ends well. Noticed you had a good bonfire yesterday hope you had some spuds in.:)

ps.were you a little pished when posting last night/ this morning?

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There was going to be a huge new barn build on the land were the diversion was going to be,ie next to the new lane. The prow would of been transferred approx- 3 foot(300mm).
That now hasn't happened! So we are back to a wider path for now than it was previous. So enjoy the walk

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Thanks again well done:)

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No tea coffee all night. I had a kip at 7pm then couldn't get back off. So I thought Id have a look on .

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I dont correct people on their posts as I have done it myself

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To much caffeine is a bad thing Mr Foy , try to relax a little and take things easy without the stimulants. Hope you can now sort out the rest of your project as quickly and tidily as you have done the footpath issue.:):do-one:

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Isn't it lovely when things work out and folks are pleasant with one another?
I would give you all some Karma....but I am all Karma'd out at present. I will put it on the 'to do' list.

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Will make a point of walking that way next time I'm over in Accy -haven't been up there in about 30 yrs...

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Hello Margaret.
I couldn't agree more. I've learnt from it !. A lot of it was people second guessing, and me being to head strong at times. When animals start getting savaged and horses finishing up at leahurst animal hospital in Liverpool, and my wife is so distraught she can't pull herself together then I have to act. Most of my anger was and still is channeled at the morons who didn't do as we asked, I.e. Put your dog on a lead whilst you pass through approx- 300yards of our grounds. Sadly even today I requested that a mature man 50 ish put his dog on a lead. It was off the the track and running around the field, his response was, why should I. What happened next is between me and him.

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Some dog owners are just ignorant and stupid.

I hope you reminded him that you are well within your right to shoot his dog if it is bothering your horses.

My dog is always on her lead when on footpaths in fields.

You could ask your contact at LCC to put up these signs at either side of your property on the path. They may even send you the signs if you offer to put a couple of posts up and attach them for them.

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They have a right to know if their right to walk unhindered are affected, but as you say the other alleged problems are our concerns only ! Thanks for your respects x

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Thank you Neil. The police at accy were sorting these for me. But with the current problems, and shrinking police force they haven't had time. Thanks for the sign suggestion. I will be doing this but I need to get some sort of CCTV recording in place as they keep getting torn down. I will speak to planning and see what I can put up. One small wireless camera should hopefully do the job.

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People who do not put their dogs on leads when asked to do so by land owners are totally iressponsible . If they get their dogs shot for casing distress to farm animals it is their fault. They are not dog lovers.

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The sign in the picture must have been put up by Lancashire Countryside Services (I think thats who does rights of way) It was on and entrance into a field so is an official sign.

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I would endorse t he fact that most dog owners are responsible and when going across your property would leash their animal.
It is sad when the misdemeanors of the few, impact on those who would do the right thing. Leash their dog....and pick up dog mess. Responsible owners do not need to be asked to do these things, it is second nature to them.

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I think there are a lot of dog owners who like to think they are responsible but in reality are not.

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I think there are also a lot of landowners who like to think they are responsible but in reality are not.

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It is an odd situation though that someone buys a piece of land with a right of way across it but they don't actually own the bit that is the right of way.

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They did own the land where the old route of the prow followed, and they still do. But they also owned the land where they moved the prow to, now they do not own that land, so the prow must be returned to somewhere near its original position.

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Correct. I've explained my mistakes. Time to move on. Landowners should study the facts first before taking action,or reacting ! But as said time to move on. I'm up there tomorrow to continue to do what I have to by the written LAW. i will be the one in the fluorescent jacket. A handshake will be awaiting you.

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I feel I must reply to the comment made above on the 14th January 2012 regarding the mature man 50 ish & the incident which occurred last Saturday afternoon. I am a close personal friend of the man involved & have walked with him & his dog on many occasions. He was walking along the Public right of way with his dog off the lead but not as stated by Mr Foy ‘off the track running around the field’. As a matter of fact there has been no livestock in these fields since late December. The gentleman in question has walked around this area most days for many years & has thankfully never had the misfortune to meet such an unpleasant man.

When challenged about the dog being off the lead he correctly pointed out that this is allowed on a PROW. He is fully conversant with the law with regard to this. Mr Foy became extremely agitated, shouting & even saying that ‘if he was to come back tomorrow he would set his dog’ on this placid family pet, ‘ripping it to shreds’. Obviously not the animal lover he portrays himself to be. This is also the same man who has the audacity to accuse others of owning dangerous dogs.
As the gentleman tried to walk away to avoid further confrontation Mr. Foy continued to shout & rant. My friend did suggest it might be a good idea for Mr. Foy ‘to go & lie down as he was in danger of suffering a heart attack’. Mr Foy retorted that ‘he was stressed out’ – he certainly appears to be just that!!!

I have also walked on this footpath on numerous occasions & have encountered 2 large dogs roaming loose. They obviously belong to RHFoy or visitors to his property, as when called, disappeared through the gate onto the drive of Spire Farm. Perhaps they are also the source of some of the dog mess!!!
I regret Mr. Foy that you may have conned other more gullible individuals into believing you are the ‘hard done to party’ when in reality you are a bully & a control freak.

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Oh dear a Cyndi Lauper song springs to mind.... can't quite think of the title though:rolleyes::rolleyes:. Can you Mr Foy??

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I will treat your baseless allegations with the contempt it deserves. I was with my land surveyor expert and his daughter both whom witnessed my comments. I do not have two large dogs roaming my grounds and I do not own two large dogs as your puerile response claims. I suggest you go back to school and learn again that there are two sides to any story or allegation. Who are you? I do not recall any previous threads with you,and I would suggest you retract your fabricated response. It is in fact that my wife's horses have been in those fields since 2003, so may I suggest you go and see an eye specialist, perhaps ape savers as you need their help. Your friend was ignorant to the word and the facts are when I asked him to please notice the word please could you put your dog on a lead his actual response was 'why should i'eh!. The rest of that conversation is between me and him. Furthermore may I suggest you read the code with regards dogs on public footpaths, and people like you need to understand it is in the interests of public and animal safety. I will remind you that your slander is now libel and would ask you NEVER, to repeat such hearsay again. ,

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It should read specsavers.

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I don't actually, but I have responded to his baseless allegations. I have a very good idea who he is. But life is good and the prow is in fine condition and spire farm is once again looking tremendous. Enjoy the walks and views :-)

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Think my last post went right over his head?

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I don't 'twig' it either - which one?
List of Cyndi Lauper songs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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True Colours of course he showed them in the altercation with the dog walker:)

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Ahh, True Colours!!....At first I thought. uh?...Girls Just Wanna Have Fun?

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Nah he just wants to spoil everyones fun.

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this story sounds totally feasible. i would suggest those in glass houses dont throw stones. theres plenty of dirt to be spread if thats the way you want to go.

Welcome to AccyWeb, although I could never pit my wits against the super sleuth in Sir Arthur's stories I have a sneaky feeling you are here on a mission, straight on site, straight into this thread did not enter go, (go by the way, is the introduce yourself thread, that is where all genuine new members get a warm AccyWeb welcome).
I do hope while you are here you will avail yourself of the many other interesting threads on site, once again, welcome to the site, Chuck.

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Sherlock Holmes-man of mystery indeed!
This thread had 288 posts on it before yours.
So pretend I'm Dr Watson and please explain-
1. Which bit of this long saga sounds totally feasable.
2.Where were greenhouses mentioned?
3.By 'plenty of dirt to be spread' are you talking about the manure pile or something more scented?

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wow he can count!!!

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I have just spent over 30 mins reading this now silly thread...I think I got to page 7 or 8 before I gave up and jumped to the end page.
Mr Moderator/Admin I think you should have closed this thread months ago. It started with some great facts and pics about an old Accy establishment then turned into a debacle of Ego's and insults, and I for one dont want to read that sort of talk.
I joined the Web for interesting facts about everything ACCY....so lose this thread and lets start again before you lose members.

Phil

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Dear Phil,

I am sure we have lots of threads that wont interest you, would you like me to close them all so we dont lose members?

Regards,

Mr Mod

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Well Phil, yeh made only 28 posts in just oer 3 years, so yeh wouldn't be much of a loss.:hehetable

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Dear Mod,
I didn't say it didn't interest me, I found it very informative AT THE BEGINNING, about the history of the farm and area, and Mr Foy only wanted some feedback about his restoration. It was when it got into slanging matches and nasty comments that the thread lost its appeal and when the moderator should have stepped in.
And Cashman...well!!!!!

Phil

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Well what? Did i lie or make a libelous comment? Or was it truthful?:rolleyes: As far as i'm concerned, this is most popular/active local forum ive come across, But every now n then it seems get people like you,who can tell the Mods/Members how it could be better.:rolleyes: Well me fer one- those people brass me off, If it aint broke,it don't need fixing, Put that in yer pipe n smoke it.:rolleyes:

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"this is most popular/active local forum ive come across"


Dont spoil it then.....

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Has anyone been through Spire Farm recently. We went through at the weekend when Mr Foy had done his alterations as requested by the footpaths office. It was very muddy as could be expected with his machines and all the rain. Someday I hope that the path will be dried up and a pleasant walk again.

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Yes but be fair:rolleyes:he has not finished the job yet:rolleyes: