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The therapists are very nice, you will be asked about your mobility and assessed for getting in and out of the bath.

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They wont put a shower over a bath for safety reasons Margart, I presume your in an upstairs flat as the ground floor are all fitted with showers as standard

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Oh well :(- will have the bath out and the shower stall in, if that is what it takes to get one.
(I will just find it harder to wash my venetian blinds ;))

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No disrespect margaret, I wouldnt dare, but the council are taking your age into consideration, the generalise, and the view is that most older tenants will have no use for the bath after a certain time, so they change to a walk in shower, otherwise, if they put a bath in, and then it turns out a few years from now that you cant use it, they will be forced to change again, same with electrical points, they go in any property at disabled hieght now, to save having to adapt for the disabled later.

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I dread to think what the answer is, BUT, which part of your anatomy is your venetian blinds ?;)

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margaret there is a 12month waitin list to see your area occupational therapist;they came to to watch me get in and out the bath ; she said i needed a walk in shower ; that was in jan and im still waitin for hyndburn house to come and put one in ;

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sorry read that wrong ;

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they will probably make you a wet room,if this is the case they are brilliant me mum had one done earlier this year,the total room floor is non slip

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Unfortunately - 'wet rooms not supplied' - is what they said last July
The photo of the shower stall they showed me looked rather small
I think I will be getting sore elbows

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They have just done my mates and hers is a wet room.

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Great news - thanks Bernie - sounds like they have had a policy change since I asked last summer

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Looking that way a lot have them in now

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not sure exactly how they fund it in hyndburn but in blackburn with darwen it is done through a disabled facility grant which is means tested... they would never agree to a shower over bath as the disability that requires a shower would not allow you to be able to manage a bath anymore... They are quite strict on their criteria but I cannot say for certain exactly what that criteria is..

hope it goes well, but there can still be a very long wait for the alteration to be done after the decision, but that is usually down to how much money is in the disabled adaptation pot and what priority they put on the work being done.

In blackburn the priorities are being reviewed at the moment.

but as a guidline

P1 - access to toilet
P2 - access to bathing
P3 - access to property

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would have thought showers were preferable to bathtubs just for the water and energy savings, and forget about those hand-held shower heads on a tube you get in French hotels , can't remember the last time I had a soak , (hot-tubs don't count they are designed for communal relaxation ) ;)

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Thanks for your info.
Hyndburn Homes is likely to operate on very similar lines to Twin Valley.
I can step in the bath easily, but have difficulty getting out sometimes, because of arthritic shoulder joints. It would be far easier to take a shower.
To overcome the problem of not being able to put my body weight on my arms, I have developed a method of getting out, whereby I swish from side to side and a big 'swish' spins me over onto my knees - which is fine except that I do have arthritis in my knees too (but to a much lesser extent).

I hope you all find my bathing antics amusing - It isn't fun getting old :D
but I 'improvise' well don't I?

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Sounds like a wet room would be ideal for you, hope you get one. You may joke about it but bet deep down you dread getting out of the bath!!!

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Is that available to anyone in Blackburn with Darwen or just people in Twin Valley Homes?

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http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Disabled...ome/DG_4000642

It is means tested so I won't qualify.
I asked for the adaptation to happen when my bathroom gets a refurb so that there is not likely to be extra cost.

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I don't think it matters to you Margaret, Hyndburn Homes are refurbing your flat and you would be better off with a shower. Means tests shouldn't come into it IMHO!!!

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to answer a few questions, Neil it is available to anyone who falls within the Blackburn with Darwen council boundary.

Bernie the means testing is for everyone regardless of who's home it is, even owner/occupiers. The pot of money (if it is done the same way through a DFG) is not coming from Hyndburn homes (although they will probably contribute like we do at Twin Valley) and it is a completely separate entity to the bathroom refurbishment.

I think you may find the OT may offer you a bath lift rather than a walk in shower, although I could be wrong.

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Will wait and see what they say Margaret, hope you are happy with the decision

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A nice young woman from Accy Vic has just left.
I am to be supplied with a bath lift, tap adaptors, and a gadjet to help opening jars.
She is going to contact Hyndburn Homes to see how soon they will be doing my bathroom refurb, and will be recommending a more long term solution of an overbath shower, and lever taps.
I am delighted at the prospect of easier bathing -
no risk now of me lapsing into being one of those stinky old biddies that sit next to you on the bus sometimes:eek:

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The bath lift is good for helping you in and out but you won't be able to lie back and relax

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She is to discuss what type with her boss. She is thinking on the lines of a battery operated inflatable type which would be less bulky than the bath seat type.
Sometimes a hot long soak is nice to ease aches - so she is to recommend a shower over the bath, so I have an option to do either.
I'm really pleased with the recommendations and hope HH cooperate.

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The inflatable one sounds ideal hope you get it. We had the bath seat one for Ian not very comfy but beggars can't be choosers. I agree that sometimes you need a good soak rather than just a shower so heres hoping HH are forthcoming;)

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And you'll still be able to clean your blinds as well Margaret:D

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a bath lift is not supplied by HH's it would come from the central adaptation warehouse (which for us is preston) and fitted through the occ therapist team... glad you are happy with their recommendations and usually a bath lift is not means tested as it doesn't come through the grant facility

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The therapist said that the bath lift was an immediate supply item, and if Hyndburn Homes allow me to have an overshower bath, I could keep it to provide me with an option of having either a bath or shower.
The tap adaptors and jar opener are also NHS supply

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Im going back a few years but when we had the conversion done they took the bath out and put a shower in. They also put a pull down seat in. They also brought handles to go up everywhere, a kettle holder - to make it easier to tip because mum couldnt lift it, a seat raiser, another bannister for the stairs and toilet raisers.

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I think that says if a system works don't crab it.

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My mum said to the social worker in the hospital that it was nice to have a bath that it was so long since she'd had one because i couldnt lift her in and out and also she didnt want me bathing her. That was why i had the visit off the occupational therapist while she was still in hospital and a week later they were there doing the alterations ready for when she came home.

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She asked me about my need for those things, but I am not that needy.
It was a very comprehensive interview - had to prove I could perform basic functions. I have already solved the 'tip the kettle' problem by buying a Tefal Onecup machine that dispenses instant very hot water.

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The system is not all bad....credit where it's due.

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I have just had a call back from the occupational therapist.

She has discussed my problem with her boss and they have decided to recommend that the bath be removed and a shower installed urgently.

The decision has had to take into account my narcolepsy
(tendency to nod off frequently) -
they don't want me to risk drowning by falling asleep in the bath.

So now I wait for Hyndburn Homes response.
I wonder how urgent they think the shower install is?
After all, I have been risking death by drowning for a year now :D

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I should rattle their cage Margaret about once a week at first then every day until they get their finger out :rolleyes:

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UPDATE -
I have just had a long phone conversation with the lady who calculates Disabled Facilities Grants at Hyndburn Council.

I have told her that I didn't expect to qualify because I have more income than most pensioners, and have to pay 'full whack' rent, rates etc.
We went ahead with the 'means test' over the phone anyway.

What surprised me was the cost of installation that they use in their calculation - £4000!!!!, and by her reckoning I can afford to pay £3500 of it. So I consented for her to consider my application closed.

So now it is up to Hyndburn Homes to decide whether they will fund the additional cost above that of the normal bathroom suite replacement.

I offered a while back to purchase an electric shower and asked if it could be installed when the refurb is done - but they never replied.

It seems ever more likely that I will wait until after the refurb and have an electric shower put in solely at my own expense.

No way will I consider paying out £3500 to improve property I dont own.

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£4000 Margaret to have a shower fixed, Well I know I've been out of the trade for a while, but hell that seems like an extortionate amount to me. Would be interested to see what some one like Derek thinks about that.

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That just shows how much or our monet the Council waste. £4000 for a shower fitted. Maybe its time they stopped using the contractors that charge £4000 and find some that will do it for a fraction of that and to the same standard.

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I suppose £4000 is for a wet room which involves installing a wetproof membrane in the floor - even with that, it does seem excessive

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adaptions do cost a fortune, but very little of it comes out of council budget in Blackburn and Darwen (can't speak for Hyndburn). The DFG comes out of a central borough pot which is made up of contributions from various housing associations and NHS. Twin Valley at the last look put in £250k.

The way many of the adaptations have to be done is so particular, in a lot of cases this is why the costs are so high... but I still think many are too high!

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A wet room is a little more involved than people think, can involve strengthening floor and/or removal of some of the floor joists, it's a good while since I last did a wetroom, but with the flooring they use (which is very expensive, primarily because there arn't many contractors who supply it) these days, should be simpler, in any event, it does seem excessive, which is funny, because when you tender for local authority work, they dictate the payments which used to be a pittance, (unless it has changed), with disabled alterations the pay used to be better, again because of a lack of choice of installers.

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Well the thing is that the last Labour council dispenced with the Direct Works Department, meaning that all contracts had to be outside tenders, even though Hyndburn Homes is no longer under the HBC umbrella, if there was still a works department they would have been able to tender for these jobs with HH and keep the money within the council for the benefit of the Council Tax Payer. I said at the time that they could be taken for a ride as far as pricing goes and whats more I actually think that Graham Jones wasn't very happy with the scrapping the works department, I seem to remember him saying as much in an earlier post

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Blackburn no longer have a works dept either...majority tupe'd over to Twin valley a couple of years ago...but even before that, when they could do some of the adaptations their quotes came in very high!!!!

As Derek stated many of the jobs are specialised and have to be to a very high spec..but I have to say the biggest waste are the stairlifts installed.

When a property comes empty the stairlifts have to be removed as they are tailored to the individual and even if the property is advertised as adapted it isn't usually suitable to the next person!

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Would have thought that a stairlift would be suitable for most people unless they were very obese. Can't recall Iantos being tailor made but stand to be corrected. It has been removed so can't test whether it would be ok for me.

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You would not say that if you saw the work done at my inlaws.

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the occupational therapist assesses the person needing the adaptations and orders the correct stairlift for their needs... we went down the road of having the OT assess new applicants for that home but the waiting list was so long to get them out it was not feasible to go down that route!

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It is now 2 1/2 years since I began asking for a shower install,
The bathroom and kitchen refurbishment which were scheduled for 2008 are postponed indefinately.
The occupational therapist's recommendations have not been implemented because HH do not have the money to do them.
I recently had notification that the spending in 2010 will be replacement soffit boards only- they are rotting - pieces dropping off in large chunks - so they can't postpone that one

I have decided that I need a better standard of accomodation than this and have taken active steps to be rehoused.
The drawbacks of this flat-
1. communal stairwell
The next door tenant wanders up and down the stairs regularly in the early hours of the morning (3am yesterday, 4am the day before)
The noise in the stairwell wakes up us other residents - the bedrooms adjoin the stairwell and have a single brick dividing wall.
In order to sit out in the sun I have to carry my lounge chair up and down 13 concrete steps

2. It is at the top of a hill - so I need a car to get me to the nearest bus stop at the bottom.

3. The bathroom suite is over 30 years old - chrome on fittings is worn away with age - taps are a struggle to turn - basin is at mid hip height- bath has indelible marks - bath panel is brittle due to age and is cracked in 2 places.

4. Kitchen is very small and badly laid out. In order to accomodate a dishwasher I had to get my washer plumbed in in a cupboard - I struggle to prepare food on a worktop 2'x3'
I replaced the cupboard doors at my own expense because many had peeling veneer exposing the chipboard.

5. Window catches are broken - only one window opens wide enough to allow access out in the event of fire - there was a stairwell fire in these flats not long before I moved in.

6. When the roof leaked in 2003 the plasterboard ceiling swelled and bulged in a 3ft square area - it is still like that.

7. The windowsills in the lounge and kitchen are warped and cracked. (I have tiled them to improve their appearance.)

8. The walkways around the block are clogged with slutch and rotting leaves. This renders attempts at keeping the stairwell clean impossible.
A slutchy pond appears regularly at the front entrance.

The only reason I have put up with it is the view of trees and fields, which I will sadly miss.
I had great hopes that Hyndburn Homes would have refurbished as promised, but all that has been done is the central heating.
That had to be done because the hot air system was blowing out 30+yr old dust and caused some people health problems.

So I joined 'b-with-us' in February, and HH have recently joined this scheme, which previously was only used by Twin Valley Homes.
I have been interviewed and now have a priority rating for rehousing.
I can view a list of available 'social housing' online and 'bid' for any that may look suitable.

I will not be applying for 'gods waiting room' type housing - a little bungalow with my own front door would be lovely, as long as it has a shower and more kitchen space.

There are drawbacks to wherever you may find yourself living - unless you are filthy rich and have unlimited choice.
I count my blessings that I am not still living in that house I 'sold for a song' in Church.

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I take it your not happy with your accommodation Margaret;)

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I think that someone at Hyndburn Homes has read my tale of woe.
I am to have a shower install 'within 14 weeks', just within 3 years of requesting.

I will have to leave the ranks of the great unwashed.
As a hermit I had got used to my own stink and didn't inflict it on others - I always struggled/bathed before I went out into company(not often) - a wipe down with a wet flannel was all I needed most times.

There has been a revolution in washing habits in my lifetime.
The once a week bath was an accepted norm in the 40s. I didn't ever expect to revert back to it, but my knowledge of those post war days has proved useful.
Anyone know where I can buy powdered egg?:rolleyes::D

PS the leafy slutch problem has been seen to also

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Thats terrible, what do they charge for that.

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:lol::lol::lol::lol:
:yelrotflm:yelrotflm:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

thats the best thing iv'e read in years is that, absolute genius :D

:worthy::worthy:

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Glad to amuse ........ anytime.:rolleyes:
I have a free bus pass and a 6 yr old car that hasn't done 10,000 miles yet.
I have just driven a couple of miles today to get free chiropody.
'Every little helps' (but Sainsburys free deliveries are the best)

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Why do the housing associations in effect pay for the expensive adaptations. That means that many people are in effect paying higher than needed rents so that some people can have free adaptations done to their home.

That does not sound fair to me.

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You need to look at the 'bigger picture'. Most rents are paid for by Housing Benefits and councils get a rent subsidy from national government.
Independant living in an adapted property costs the nation less than nursing home provision, or 'home help' to bathe a person (heaven forbid - I would rather stay mucky)

This reminds me of a saying by Mae West-
.."marriage is an institution and I am not ready for one yet"

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So rents should be lower and the adaptations paid for from benefits. I don't believe in charging everyone more rent so some can get the benefit.

I don't agree it costs less, I agree it is sometimes better for the people though.

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The housing association does not pay for disabled adaptations when done through an occupational therapist, it is paid for by the government via a disablement grant........Not saying that housing associations don't do adaptations to some properties, then rent them to disabled people.

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When the ones done on my house for mum it was done through the hospital .. but it was rossendale borough council who did the work.

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I tried that route (see post #37), but was told I would be asked to pay £3,500

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You are joking home care saves this country millions of pounds every year, plus is better for most people.

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Yep I agree its is

Not joking no.
You have to look at the overall cost for people in care homes compared with when they are not. All that free rent and other benefits paids so they can be in there own homes. What about the cost of all the extra care needed, meals on wheels, district nurses or whatever that have to travel from house to house. All very inefficient.

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Not all of them are getting free rent as you know we live in our own home. As for benefits I think that the savings outweigh the costs I really do. Can't comment on the meals on wheels bit as we never needed them and we used the nurse just a couple of times as I could manage (with help from family to care for Ian).

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I know but you usually save money by centralising services if that is the right way to explain it.

Like the district nurse coming to visit 10 people at once instead of driving to 10 different homes.

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Yes I get your drift but at the end of the day what is best for the patient is the main thing here IMHO.

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yes it is

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I have been advised that the bathroom works will take place in approx three weeks.

I pointed out that a 'wet room' was more than I needed - a curtained shower stall was quite adequate and much less costly from their point of view.

As a result, a mutually agreeable compromise has been reached.
A largish 'normal' shower area, lever taps and -
I am to get my (mid thigh level) basin, and my antique (sloping) loo replaced at the same time.

I volunteered to fund the replacement of floorcovering.
....a satisfactory outcome:D

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Holey Moley - they rang me at 8am today to say they would start at 9am
and apologised for the short notice:rolleyes:

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At least your getting it done now Margaret, quite a result :D

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Everything comes to she who waits:D

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I am glad it is getting done at last.

I had set my alarm for 7.30 because I had arranged the circuit board repair for this morning. So I was up - just, but had to clear my bathroom within an hour of waking, which isn't quite my usual slow 'waken to the day' routine.

Two men came at about 9.30, discussed the plan of works to cover the days until completion due next Wednesday, and went away saying that one of them would return
shortly with a WC- but no sign yet at nearly 11am.

The circuit board repair man hasn't come yet either - so this is 'limbo time',and I am feeling knackered - need a midday kip but don't think I'll get one - still - it's all in a good cause

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First problem encountered and solved by me.

The existing hot water radiator encroaches a few centimeters into the space where the shower cubicle will be sited. It is a bulky double rad too big for the room anyway.

They intended to move that radiator to the other side of the room adjacent to the toilet.
(extensive extra pipework and a naked walk across the room to reach a towel:()
I volunteered to fund the cost of a 40cm wall mounted heated towel rail which solves the problem.
Now why didn't they think of that?
Ordered, paid for (by me £40), will arrive tomorrow.

I must say that my new WC looks good without that unsightly pipe between bowl and tank.

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Hope we're going to get some pics when the jobs finished Margaret:D

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I would have told them to just stick a smaller radiator on as you don't want it at the other side.

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A chrome ladder towel rail radiator is posher

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Demolition has begun in earnest today -the ripping out of the bath and basin and the smashing of tiles off the walls.

The workmen have requested radio one at a loud level, and being ever so grateful for my new bathroom, I have obliged.

This makes for a very frazzling time for me, so if I give anyone short shrift on here today, please understand.

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Don't worry, I will clean up your Radio 1 induced ramblings and insults for you.

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You should have insisted on playing radio 3 the job would have been finished by Wednesday:theband:

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Tuesday afternoon:D

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You could be right with that estimation,I forgot to take into account the herbal tea and organic flapjack breaks.:D:D

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The plasterer arrived at 8am. I sensed he had not had breakfast, so I offered him scrambled egg on toast.

He declined the egg but had-
toasted home made brioche bread with real organic butter and Sainsburys organic marmalade, accompanied by Yorkshire tea with a splash of organic milk.

poor lad has a bad back and needs pampering

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OMG Margaret are you some sort of predator? :rolleyes::D

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How can you judge a small act of kindness as predatory:confused:
Do you always seek a reward for being nice to someone?

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I will start putting [joke] [/joke] around my posts so you know when I am joking.

Yes it was a nice thing to do, I will have egg with mine though :P

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To match that that Margaret has put on your face:p:p:p

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No work has happened today and with less than 2 hours to the time of 'clock off' it doesn't look like it will. So much for last week's statement - 'it'll be finished by wednesday'. I have no washing facilities in my bathroom - just a lonely temporary fixed loo.

There is one interesting fact I have learned about Hyndburn Homes Repairs - their vehicles are satellite tracked on a map at HQ - four vans have parked here at various times today - so HQ will think that 4 workmen have visited this site today (I have seen four - there may have been more - I haven't sat at the window all day) - when in fact I have had very momentary visits by just two. This is a quiet part of town to park and look busy.:rolleyes:

I think that the work organiser maybe is a redundant brewery worker.

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Two vans have been parked up here for at least half an hour at the end of this 'working':rolleyes: day. Neither has been to peep at my 'bathroom' The drivers are eating and reading and clocking up some overtime.

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How do you know that they haven't been on an emergency repair?

They may have worked through their lunch time to make something safe and are now grabbing a bite to eat before setting to, to finish the job.

Not everyone has the mindset of an ex Civil Servant, some people actually work(ed) for a living.

Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged!

;)

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For 3 hours today I got a plumber, a plasterer and two electricians and they worked - fast.

I might even have primitive washing facilities by the end of tomorrow:D

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Have they diverted Tinker Brook?:D

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:D OOh you are awful- but I like you :D

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yes thats right what jaysay says but see what they say anyway.

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Anyone taken a temperature reading at Tinker Brook lately?:rolleyes:
Still no washing facilities after 9 days.:s_evil::swear8::bleedht::bangh8:

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I take it that this two day job is rubber ducked again.:hehetable

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The 'boss' showed up today, which was lucky:rolleyes:, because he is only working two days a week at the mo (got to get his holiday days used up before end of March)

The 'plan of action' has been changed again, so they have dug a trench in the new floor that was laid a few days ago.

This 'boss' is an Iti (explains a lot to me:rolleyes:)
I think he previously was sacked from a brewery catering position.

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I would be putting a complaint in, it is not satisfactory to have no proper washing facilities for so long. How are you managing? Can't understand why they can't employ decent companies to do the work. At the place I am going to they have put new double glazed windows in twenty nine flats in just five days.

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It's all becoming clear he's Polish -- Institute of Translation and Interpreting --:D:D

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Is the HH doing the job or outside contractors Margaret ?

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Hyndburn Homes Repairs - the subsiduary of Hyndburn Homes.

Thanks to Neil for removing some posts at my request - I just had a 'Radio1 induced rant' yesterday

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I was up late last night websearching for the 'top of the pyramid'

Mike Creamer
Chief Executive Officer
Contour Housing Group Limited
Quay Plz 21 st Floor-Lowry Mall Salford Quays Salford
Greater Manchester, M50 3AH United Kingdom

The annual financial statement for last year was interesting too;)

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For the past two days I have been inundated with workmen - wonderful:D
The 'boss' hasn't shown his face - wonderful:D
The workmen have been organising the job by consulting each other and planning it between themselves - beautifully:D

It looks as though I will be having a shower by Thursday, and actually had a wash in a basin this morning.