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Does anyone know the location of natural springs within easy travelling distance of Ossy?
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going back a few years but is there not a spring on Pendle Hill about halfway between the Wellsprings pub and the cattle grid on the other side from Sabden (on the downhill side ) not sure if it 'ran' all year or was seasonal
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Thinking about it , it may be nearer to the cattle grid on the right hand side than the pub , but obviously just by the name (Wellsprings) there are springs up there ;) ;)
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I have been researching natural water.
This chap has a lot of youtube clips and seems to know his water YouTube - Daniel-Vitalis-Spring-Water-Test I've got the wellies and the water carrier ready:) |
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It would appear there are several natural springs in the park. If you want to drink it is up to you though.
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I remember a spring near the top of the Coppice, on the Arden Hall side, at the side of one of the paths. It flowed even during summer and was so refreshing. Sorry that I cant't give more details but it is around 60 nyears ago that I last drank from there.
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Or is this a case of sod them Jack I'm going to be alright? http://www.tiptopglobe.com/skin/smile/s9848.gif |
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I have a supply of water purification drops which are safely used by 'rugged outdoor types' whilst on their treks. Where are the springs in Rhyddings Park? |
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I would not recommend you drink any of the water though |
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I would'nt trust the one up Pendle, for a start it smells like a rotten kipper, as of last week anyhoo while my dog was digging in it !!! And a few months back he was diggin in it again and within a few days he had a huge "puss" filled scab on the back of his neck !!! the dog doc said he had been bitten by something and I can only assume it cam from there...
On a positive though I always go up the Trough of Bowland these days just passed Dunsop Bridge, now i'm not sure why but i bottled some water from up there and 2 years on its still crystal clear and now they have "Bowland" water in shops !!! if only I would of been a bit quicker I could of been filthy rich !!! but hey ho, I would say this is much better for drinking than the skank we find round here.... Cheers |
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I have found this info from Loughborough UNI http://www.lboro.ac.uk/well/resource...ng-springs.pdf If you look at Fig2, you can see that some springs rise into ponds. When we were discussing local brooks recently, I could see that both Tinker brook and Antley brook arise from such ponds. This is handy to know in case a widespread power failure causes a breakdown of municipal water supply. I was hoping that someone knew of a roadside spring which is regularly used by locals, or one that is less than 10 minutes walk from a road, and does not require the trespass on private land to get to it. I will not buy it ready bottled, because the plastic bottles ruin the value of it, and there is always the risk that it is actually tap water. At the moment, I am attempting to improve the quality of the water I drink by - Carbon filtration to remove chlorine Restoring mineral content by adding a soluable mineral tablet Passing it through a small device to spin a vortex to restore mollecular structure, and storing it in the fridge to retain the qualities I have added to it. This provides a better water than the recycled pee that comes from some taps, but it is inferior to what is available from a natural source. |
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Why don't you go the whole way and buy a reverse osmosis unit and make you water almost pure. Or buy your own distilling equipment for smaller quantities? |
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I had to cry at all of it, I feel sorry for you. Why don't you stop worrying about poison food, water, air and instead try finding something that will cheer you and the rest of us up? This is the time you live in, you won't get a second chance, if the whole world is as bad as you imagine, you're going to die anyway, as are we all, so enjoy the time you have, (Oh, and stop wasting petrol trying to find some kind of cure all that isn't there). http://www.tiptopglobe.com/skin/smile/s9128.gif Cheers my Duck!:D |
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Distilled water is dead water - no minerals (which are essential for health)
Tap water is poisoned water - chlorine, fluoride Bottled water is an expensive scam I am doing the best I can to produce natural type water from the tap water. Our bodies are over 70% water. Some people do behave like they are recycled pee don't they?;) (especially about the head:D) |
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"This message is hidden because Less is on your ignore list"
If it was anything other than a nasty snipe I would be surprised:) I hope some people will appreciate that I am regaining my health without being a burden on the NHS. I last saw a doc, for tests only, in July 2008, and use no pharmacuticals (which I could get free). Not many old biddies of 66 can say the same. Whether I appear to be a crank to some - does it really matter?, when what I do works for me. |
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As you say if it works for you then do it what works for some does'nt work for others
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along with my brothers and we lived on the ferngore we often went walks up green howarth on the road between the red lion pub and the shoulder of mutton pub possibley about 100 yards from the shoulder on the nearside of the road was a well down two steps and all you could drink lovely cool clear water moreso when it was a lovely sunny day
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Myself, wouldn't touch spring water .. yuk .. all that bacteria/little mites. Prefer to run the risk of chemicals in tap water that kill those little buggers off .. LOL. |
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If chlorine dioxide was used to purify tap water instead of chlorine, I would not need to filter it (then add back the minerals that filtering takes out)
The difference is explained here- http://www.epa.gov/OGWDW/mdbp/pdf/alter/chapt_4.pdf extract- Chlorine dioxide (ClO2) is a neutral compound of chlorine in the +IV oxidation state. It disinfects by oxidation; however, it does not chlorinate. It is a relatively small, volatile, and highly energetic molecule, and a free radical even while in dilute aqueous solutions Some water authorities do use chlorine dioxide- ours doesn't I have some which I can use in drop size quantities to purify any spring water I might collect. The mineral content of water is vital for a healthy metabolism. |
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Actually Margaret, it was not long ago that Woodnook Mill, who had an excess of their water supply, seriously considered a side venture of bottled spring water as was considered pure enough.
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Seems the stream that Woodnook were thinking of using was, of course, Woodnook Waters. They did have it tested and proved of good enough quality to use for bottling .... didn't go ahead due to the expense.
I don't know round the back of there very well, but is the one that runs through Priestley Clough. If you go to the top of Bath Street, mini roundabout .. have to go straight ahead into the Clough (get yer wellies out) ... believe there is some sort of drop where the water drains down. I have also contacted my daughter, who has a friend who is a Geologist, she is responsible for collecting water samples and possibly the flow of waters from around the U.K. I copied your last post, and her friend has very kindly sent this reply .. hope it is of help : "Gee Susie, well, anyone can read the USEPA manual, and so far as providing professional advice regarding disinfection of spring water via this method I really can't comment. However, it may surprise you to know that the spring water that ends up on the shelves in the supermarket really does come from natural springs. It is untreated (unless you add CO2, which makes it fizzy), but is subjected to a defined testing regime. You can get a UV purification kit from somewhere like Cotswold Camping. Its a little pen and I'm not completely familiar with the mechanism but apparently its pretty good and, rather than adding a chemical, I'd recommend it (I bought my parents one for their travels in fact!!). I am currently working on a scheme to provide better quality drinking water from groundwater in the midlands. The area in which I am working has lots and lots of boreholes / wells and some people still take their water from these. Most have UV filtration but I'm not sure that all do. The main issue with springs is that they are often nearer surface and therefore subject to contamination from nitrates. However, people from Birmingham used to drive out to the Ombersley area to fill bottles full of spring water for their own consumption!! This still happens in the Malvern Hills!! My best advice would be to look to local knowledge to find out where the local springs are and whether there has been any analysis carried out. If in any doubt carry out UV purification using a kit. A lot of our groundwater is safe and potable but some of it is not. The water we get from our taps is perfectly safe for most people. However, I have drunk some from the boreholes / wells I have been monitoring and it is delicious stuff. I'll try and get the advice of a water quality person about the Chlorine dioxide (ClO2)." Will let you know if I receive any further information. |
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Thank you Kate :D - see -I'm not the only nutcase about
Woodnook water runs through a built up area before it gets to the mill site. Water is best collected at source from a spring rather than a well. I may well postpone my welly trecking until Spring.(pun:)) I have looked on Google Earth and seen a few locations worth investigating. When your technical experts get back with info about chlorine dioxide I will be glad to get it. I appreciate your efforts on my behalf. PS my grandson has recently graduated from Edinburgh with a geology degree, but he specialised in.............dinosaurs:rolleyes: |
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fill up ya bottle with river stink water.... mmmmmm hehe
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The water was tested in the culvert that runs under Woodnook Mill Margaret, and was deemed to be OK there which would have run down the hill as you outlined, however, understand what you are saying re. drawing it from the mouth of the spring ... well, I think so .. not a chemist.
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Tonight, on my birthday outing (next week really - you haven't missed it - a birthday thread will be appreciated), I had chance to have a serious dicussion about water with my geology grandson, and it seems he knows more about it than I expected (not just a paleoentologist- well not many dinosaurs hereabouts are there - Less and Tealeaf excepted :D)
We discussed sedentary rocks in this area and it seems that any water that 'bubbles up' around these parts would be lacking in magnesium, and that is why our water is 'soft'. My son knows of a spring which bubbles up cleanly on farmland at Stanhill, and he is on friendly terms with the farmer. So the result of my investigation - I have located a spring and can have access to it. The water it provides will be better than tap water but I will still need need to take a magnesium supplement -so it might not be worth the hassle putting on my wellies. I will decide when I am sober. A good night has been had by all. Francos, then the Tiger Lounge, where my goeology grandson happens to be manager whilst he awaits discovey of dinosaurs locally :D |
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As an afterthought -
our soft water locally can cause medical problems - read this Are You Magnesium Deficient? and decide whether to take a magnesium supplement. I do. It stopped nighttime leg cramps and lowers blood pressure. |
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Hi MargaretR
I just noticed your post about spring water. On Hopwood st in Accrington, (nr Bullough Park) there is a piece of waste land.I know someone who lives there and the land apparently can't be built on as it has a geological fault on it and could cause a landslide if disturbed in the wrong way. The present owner apparently submitted plans (a very long time ago) that would have dealt with the problem of the dodgy land but there was also a problem with the HUGE quantity of spring water that flows there. In fact the water runs down Hopwood street itself all the time. The cost of laying drainage that would cope with this was going to be so high that the future value of any houses would not warrant it. She (the person drawing up the plans), planned to put a standard pipe on the street that would provide the residents with fresh pure spring water any time they wanted it. I have a feeling that she was hoping to make an annual charge for the privilege though (to help with her costs of providing new drainage etc) and of course the residents objected. The source of the springs are in that field. In fact I played there sometimes as a child (when the land was not such a tip) and can clearly remember water bubbling straight up out of the ground. I suppose that is why the area is called Springhill. Maybe an old map of Accrington would have the springs marked out on it. Anyway, good luck with the water source you have found. Will you filter it for any trace metals etc or test it in any way or will you drink it just as you collect it? |
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Another burst watermain. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: No wonder water is expensive. :( |
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I would prefer drinking from a spring which bubbles up well away from farmland and houses, because there is always a risk of groundwater contamination.
I do not have the resources to arrange for testing costs, but would drink from a spring that has been traditionally and currently sourced by others. It is a pity that the lady you mentioned did not get support for her plan for Hopwood St, because she would have funded the tests for contaminents As more people regard spring water as a source of mineral nutrition, the demand may well arise. We are fortunate that we are not force medicated with fluoride hereabouts - the chlorine taste and smell is bad enough and needs carbon filtering out. For health reasons my wellie treks are on hold until next Spring. What has become clear from the responses here is that if our water supply from our taps ever fails, Hyndburn folk will not die of thirst. (unwashed maybe, but thirsty -no):D |
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That's really interesting KATEX. I have often heard rushing water underground in the area so I guess it is likely pouring down one of those tunnels underground. There is a semi-circle of land or someting on the map at the head of where the 'tunnel' is marked out. As far as I recall the 'geological fault' was there. It is a sort of hill or mound at the top end of the land. It's possible that that could have caused the tunnel and the quarry to then collapse.
By the way, where did you find that map? I'd be interested to look at it:D To MargaretR: The residents turned down the chance to have spring water on tap as they were expected to contribute a couple of thousand each to put in 'new drains' that would serve the new houses and the land's excess water. They all felt it was subsidising an otherwise unprofitable scheme to build houses. They would have paid through the nose for a dry street and a whole lot more traffic.:rolleyes: Also several of the residents had used the edges of the land as car-parking spaces and gardens. There is some law I think that says if you take over a bit of waste land and tend it unchallenged for 7 years or something, you then become entitled to it legally. (I may have the exact details wrong there). If that is true then the present owner now owns less than they originally did!:D Apparently the land used to be allotments (in WW2 or earlier) and they were some of the best in the area. I'd be interested to know if that was the case. I wonder why the present owner doesn't rent out plots privately. Would surely have some income for them...better than it just lying there as a free 'tip'. As for the houses that back on to the land, (Perth St) they all pay full council tax for that band but the council won't clear the back-alley or clean the drains that are there. They say it is not their responsibility and the present owner of the land cannot be traced. So the residents there can't get out of their back gates because the drains have flooded (years ago) with the huge quantity of water and turned the whole alley into a bog. Spring water or not it can't be healthy. The council used to clean it regularly. Wonder when they decided it was no longer their responsibility? |
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Re. the semi-circle ... was the quarry ... I have taken the up-to date layer off to make it clearer. Attachment 14974 Didn't know about this covered reservoir myself until this week .. bet lots of people in that area know the history though and who it belongs too. Wonder if the stream involved is the one running off the stream from Dunnyshop then emerging to join Woodnook waters ? Attachment 14976 |
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remember the red lion pub at top of willows lane( now a house) right opposite the front door there was a trough, running water all year round, there was one further up the road on the bend but someone widened the road, if you ask any of the locals at green howarth i am sure they will help.
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The one on the bend has already been mentioned here. If the one opposite the Red Lion is still there, then that is the best candidate yet for me to use. I won't need wellies to get to it - lovely:D |
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I need to websearch that.
I have found this for starters which looks promising Occupational (OSHA) and Environmental Hazards: health, nusiance, iron oxide There are generally no harmful effects of drinking water with iron in it (unless you or a member of your family has hemochromatosis). Dissolved iron and iron oxide (rust) are mostly a nusiance causing bad taste, sediment build up, and staining. Incidentally did you see my thread about iron filings in cornflakes http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...kes-48644.html Not all iron compounds are good for you- and filings def aren't |
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Thanks Jen - I have bookmarked the geology site because their map section is so busy I can't get into it yet.
I was told by a neighbour that old mine workings prevented my road from being extended and the land behind - hope it will show that I am not positioned over a mineshaft:eek: |
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dont give them ideas for the accyweb meet yerself .. they come up with ideas enough ...:D:D:D ask lynx ... :D:D:D:D:p
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I looked on the Mario maps KATEX mentioned, ( thanks for that KATEX ). That land on Hopwood St is shown as having a 'pump' in the middle of it which is what one or two locals said years ago. I presume that is a well or something and as 'forgotten' now that would account for the water pouring down Hopwood St. Perhaps there is a blocked underground pipe or something.
Anyway MargaretR : it will likely be a lot of work to dig it out and 'taste' it. I would have thought if it is as old as it appears to be, the water was probably from a reliable and clean source originally, but who knows what abandonment has done to it....:eek: All this has got me very interested in the 'underground' Accrington we don't know about! There is a whole row of houses I know of that is sinking into the ground......wonder if they are on an old mine-shaft/tunnel or something....& on that note..an old man told my mother there are tunnels all the way from here to Blackpool that were dug as collieries joined up to others. Sounds a bit far fetched I think.. |
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There are many uncharted old mineworkings hereabouts.
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Just tried looking on that geological site, mentioned above, to see if there any kind of mapping of coal mines under us. Can't see any marked out but then again I'm not very good at using these online maps. On the older OS surveys there were collieries marked out all over Accrington. The geological maps show only opencast coal mines that seem to cover huge areas of Accy. They don't show the old sandstone quarrys though. The old OS maps show pumps and springs that are not on the geological one...All very confusing for 'a bear of little brain'
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Not showing any near you on the maps I can find Margaret .. wonder if there are maps in the library which are targeted at mine workings ?
There is a well still indicated though very near to you.. :) Attachment 14989 Funnily enough .. we noted not long ago ... that near where my brother lives on this estate, there is a piece of land that has never been built on, and these maps throw up a 'coal pit' and a tunnel leading to it. His garage seems to have been built over the tunnel ... :eek: |
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I have lived here 7 years and didn't know that. I have never strayed off the beaten track;) into those woods. |
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