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I read a 1929 Observer yesterday. The Chief Constable's report to the Brewster ( Licensing) Sessions.....There are 103 licensed premises in Acc :- 44 innkeepers,29 Beerhouses (on) , 21 beerhouses (off),5 others (off) Population is 43,595 which is one premises per 423 citizens. 38 prosecuted for various licensing offences such as drunk & disorderly. 22 registered clubs of which Spring Hill WMC had biggest membership -732
Only licence not renewed was the Oak Tree in Abbey St and a separate hearing took place in March to hear police objections.It was a Dutton's hoiuse, one of five they had in the immediate vicinity. They had owned it for 50yrs. 20yrs previously they had survived a police objection. Now police said it was in poor state of repair and sanitary arrangements were poor. .It had a bar parlour,tap room, snug,billiard room, 2 cellars, 2 club rooms and a piano room. It was selling 4 barrels (of 36 galls = 288pints) The Red Lion was 31yds away Within 100yds there were 3 fully licensed houses, within 220 yards there were 9 fully licensed, 6 beer houses and 2 off-licences. The licence was revoked and put forward for compensation. The tenant licensee was Mr Hamer, who had had it for less than a year. |
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Nice picture here Cashy Attachment 18216 |
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Nice shot, Jeff. That brings back happy memories!
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I lived in Hargreaves St, and passed it practically every day, my best mate lived next door. As for the Bull on Bull Bridge, IT WAS NOT UNDER THE VIADUCT, it was the only Coaching Inn, in the Old Hold of Accrington back in the 1600's, it was rebuilt in the 1700's. The landlord in 1660 was Henry Emmot, he paid 6d in taxes to king Charles, on his restoration to the throne. Retlaw |
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OK The Bull was not UNDER the viaduct but under its shadow in the evening sunshine.
Possible that Dutton's appealed the Oak Tree's 1929 closure and it got re-instated. The Oak Tree over Church way was a Liin house. It is unlikely, but not impossible, that there would have been two pubs of the same name in the town. I will enquire. |
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Certainly, the White Swan & the Red Lion could be described as coaching houses in the first few decades of the 19th century. |
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In those days a lot of people brewed there own ale, it would have been healthier than the local water supplies at the time. The Red Lion didn't apppear until 1820's, the owner being Jacob Lang, the ratable value of the Red Lion was 56-5s-0d in 1828. Retlaw. |
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But you've probably got it right about the number of tax paying families and those brewing their own ale. 'Small Ale' was the stuff that people drank in place of water - certainly before coffee and tea - but not everyone brewed it - many bought it. I suspect the Bull - a pub I hold dearly - would have had a multi-function 400 years ago, of which feeding passing horses and their cargo was only a small part |
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i was always told in 60s the "Bull" was n old "Grain Court" whatever that was,:confused: twas the landlord Ken Green that told me, in recent times i have been told it was not, so aint a sodding clue.:confused:
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There were 3 ways into the Old Hold of Accrington in those days, which was used by travelers. From Burnley, down what later became Burnley Rd Circa 1828, from Whalley along what was later Whalley Rd, (built by Blind Jack o Knaresborough 1791/2) that route went down Milnshaw Lane, the other route came from Blackburn, and entered Accy along Allom Lane which came out facing the Bull. Just because there weren't many regular coach services running into & out of Accy in those day, does'nt they couldn't up their prestige by advertising themselves as a coaching Inn. Its surprising how many people moved round the country in those days. Retlaw. |
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One episode still comes to mind, a woman was fined for sewing a shirt on a Sunday. Retlaw |
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I've never heard the term 'grain court' but it might have had something to do with the corn mill just across the road in Hyndburn Rd, then called Hagg Lane.
I too think that 'coaching inn' can be a term which takes in horse-drawn travel of any sort. It could have been the reason why a farrier /blacksmith was just around the corner from The Bull. I think that the name Bull Brtidge is still visible in the wall of the old bridge somewhere near the car park entrance, pout there buy the County Council c 1890, but it is likely, certainly possible, that there was a bridge there before that, and before a bridge there would be just a ford. It could be said that this was the very centre of Accrington in (say) 1700 |
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I certainly don't buy an East/West route Accy-Blackburn, simply because of deep stream valleys to be crossed on the way - the Tinker, the Aspden and the Knuzden brooks. Thats's why Blackburn Rd was not laid down until after it was shown the canal could bridge the former two in the early 1820's I have no doubt that wagons and private coaches stopped at and used the Bull; but my guess is their main travelling guests would have been sheep rovers and the like. |
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[quote=Tealeaf;925932]But that's exactly it, Walter - the dates. This stuff is all the later part of the 18C/early 19th -
Those routes I quoted were the old routes into Old Accy. The dates I gave are when those old highways were eventually made into proper roads. Those routes must have been well used for them to have been made up, practically every river has a ford or a bridge some where along its route. Tha lives nearer to public record office than what I do, go and have a look. Retlaw. |
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I have no doubt that wagons and private coaches stopped at and used the Bull; but my guess is their main travelling guests would have been sheep rovers and the like.[/quote]
Cattle & sheep drovers were more likely to bed down near their stock, on common land, than stay in places like the Bull or the Bay Horse. Retlaw. |
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Really interesting read about the Corn Mill and it's surroundings |
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now that does sound interesting anzac.
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Talking about mills, this piccy cropped up the other day on the Homebase site. Am I the only one that sees an outline of a waterwheel on the old building on the right:
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...uct-10635.html It's the piccy on the left...the links have gone to pot. |
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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s.../paperclip.gif were is this ? (http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s.../multipage.gif 123456) Retlaw. |
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There are some cracking photos in the book 'Industry & Prudence' ; a lan for Accrington (1950) including ones of the Australian & the Olde Black Bull (p86) and The Warner Arms when it had a shop alongside it on the Church St side -now part of the pub. (p109) There's one which might have been taken from the front door of the Black Bull (p63) One just catches the Abbey (p52). I think there's one wjhch shows the side of the Arden and the name of the Blackburn Brewing Company(?) on it but I cannot now find it. There's also a drawing - very scarce this - of Bank Brewery (p18)
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That was another book I bought a couple of weeks ago in The British Heart Foundation Shop in Accrington - really interesting book full of wonderful old photographs
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