Originally Posted by AccyLass (Post 823398)

Can't help with your question, have noticed the more helpful AccyWeb members have answered tho.
Welcome to AccyWeb tho :)

Originally Posted by jo jo (Post 823378)

Hi, I am wondering if anyone can help me. Did their used to a pub situated accross the road from the petrol station on Abbey St (Next to the Swan.

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 823416)

Short answer is NO.
Starting at Adelaide St, going along Abbey St towards the Post Office there is the Swan, entrance to Swan Yard, then the New Jerusalem Church, then two shops, entrance to Brigg's Yard, another shop, then set back 6 or so feet were 3 more little shops, then the Oak Tree Inn on the corner with Birtwistle St. All demolished except the Swan.
Where that petrol station is you refer to, stood the Wesley Chapel and School.


Retlaw.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 823402)

don't ya dare call me helpful accylass, get me a good name.:eek:

Originally Posted by hedman2003 (Post 823435)

Sorry Retlaw I think the answer is yes, the question refers to "across the road from the Swan", I'm sure there's one of those Brown Acorn signs on the building across the junction from the Chinese that indicates that building was a Toll House and if I'm correct possibly a pub. Apologies if I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 823513)

think the existing petrol station before the swan was being referred too.:confused:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 823519)

Now youv'e got me confused.
When you say before the Swan, before what,
before the Swan was built there was no such thing as petrol. Would the original questioner like to state exactly where the pub he refers to is, most pubs in Abbey St are on a corner with another street, so where in Abbey street are you refering
Retlaw.
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 823531)

nah mate the garage situated before the swan on abbey st. if ya read the thread, i said where the pub was.:) it can be murder getting exact locations on a post on net, so can understand were yer coming from. not this thread tother un in questions, this was in introductions, but has been moved here, which confuses even more. P.M.S.L.

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 823537)

Now you and I are a bit clearer on what we mean. I was describing Abbey St from Adelaide St to Birtwistle St.
That petrol station your refering to in Abbey St is now owned by Tesco, its occupying the land where Briggs Yard and the Oak Tree in used to be.
Trouble with some of the posters they think what is there now has always been there, and have trouble thinking otherwise.

Retlaw.

Originally Posted by JEFF (Post 823559)

Possibly thinking about the Red Lion ?

Originally Posted by kikine (Post 825723)

There was a pub opposite the swan, the building opposite which used to be PV tubes, boarded up now I think, was the first coaching house in Accy so was told.There are still the old stables underneath.

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 825767)

There was NO pub opposite the Swan Inn, the Red lion was opposite the Oak Tree Inn which was on the corner of Birtwistle St.
The Red Lion was not the first coaching house as you call it. The first Coaching Inn was the Black Bull in Bull Bridge, the next was the Bay Horse in what became Church St, then the George Inn in Abbey St.
There are no stables underneath the Red Lion (where did you get that garbage from) I have been in the cellars underneath the Red Lion and they are brick arched with an internal stone staircase.
The stables were accesssed from Black Abbey St and are still there.
Retlaw.

Originally Posted by anzac (Post 825790)

So maybe we are all not the expert that you seem to be but this reply was rude and arrogant to a fairly new member who has joined this forum and put in what they thought.

Not very welcoming in my opinion :(

Originally Posted by anzac (Post 825790)

So maybe we are all not the expert that you seem to be but this reply was rude and arrogant to a fairly new member who has joined this forum and put in what they thought.

Not very welcoming in my opinion :(

Originally Posted by George Walker (Post 826180)

Across from the petrol station,was the Red Lion.Later to become a tyre repair
place

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 826188)

When the Red Lion was last used to sell ales and spirits there was no petrol station.
The Red Lion when it closed was taken over by Clarksons Tyres, then by PV Tubes. The Petrol Station didn't appear until they demolished all the property from the New Jerusalem Church to Plantation St, to make way for the bypass now known as East Gate.
In the days when the Red Lion was open across the road was the Oak Tree Inn.
Correcting the misuse of locations may seem rude to some of you newcomers, but if your going continue making the same errors you will come to believe yourselves.
If you had a fire in your house you would expect the Fire Brigade to attend wouldn't you, but they can only attend if you tell them where you are, not in Abbey St somewhere near the Swan Hotel.

State precisely and in detail what you mean or shut up.

Retlaw.

Originally Posted by hedman2003 (Post 826190)

Good to see you're manners have improved!!

surely the reference to the petrol station is to assist people today to identify a location it was not saying there's alays been a petrol station at that location

If I had a fire in my house I wouldn't be saying I'm in a property that used to be opposite a building that no longer exists!!!

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 826192)

Well I've taken calls for fires with dafter addresses than that.
A more precise location would have been on the corner of Abbey St and the South side of Black Abbey St, opposite what is now a Tesco Petrol Station. Not opposite the Swan Inn.
Opposite the Swan Inn on the Western side of Abbey St is a car sales place, formerly used as a petrol staton, previously the site of the Wesley Church.
Retlaw.

Originally Posted by hedman2003 (Post 826268)

Just perhaps the person who started the original thread doesn't have your inbuilt knowledge of the local area and have a compass in their hand It seemed clear enough to me that the reference to opposite the Swan referred to the old PV tubes building

If we are talking precision where is the Swan Inn? I presume you mean the Swan Hotel however unlike your pompus goodself I will forgive your error

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 826970)

Grief Retlaw, you can be a grumpy thing, can't you!
Obviously the person asking the question wasnt too sure about the history of Accrington
Hi, I am wondering if anyone can help me. Did there used to a pub situated across the road from the petrol station on Abbey St

("Next to the Swan" - this was meant as a guide as to which part of the street they were talking about).

All it needed was a "YES, there was an old pub called THE RED LION, a long time ago, facing approx where the Tesco Petrol Station now is on Abbey Street
"Simple reply" Retlaw, just a simple reply was all that was needed!!!!
Consider yourself TOLD OFF!

Have attached a photo of the building in question

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 825767)

There was NO pub opposite the Swan Inn, the Red lion was opposite the Oak Tree Inn which was on the corner of Birtwistle St.
The Red Lion was not the first coaching house as you call it. The first Coaching Inn was the Black Bull in Bull Bridge, the next was the Bay Horse in what became Church St, then the George Inn in Abbey St.
There are no stables underneath the Red Lion (where did you get that garbage from) I have been in the cellars underneath the Red Lion and they are brick arched with an internal stone staircase.
The stables were accesssed from Black Abbey St and are still there.
Retlaw.

Originally Posted by kikine (Post 826983)

Apologies for putting your blood pressure up! I cannot go by previous posts as I am a new member. Am glad that you acknowledge that the stables are under there and Black Abbey street isn't too far away so it wasn't too much garbage, I knew the stables were there. I did work in that building for 13 years but will do my research on the information that I have found for myself and hopefully can share it with you and hopefully you can share yours with me.

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 826989)

Sorry kikine, but the stables were never under the Red Lion, it was the beer cellar accessed internally by stone steps, it would have been nigh on impossible to get horses down there.
If you worked there then you will be aware that the first opening on the left down Black Abbey St leads to the rear of the Red Lion, to your right looking in the direction of Jacob St, you will see a building facing you, that was part of the stable block, the last time I was in there and looked round the boskins were still there, it was being used to store ladders by Pollards Paints in Warner St, they lent me the keys to explore the place. About mid 1985 I made a scale drawing of the whole block, including what was Sauls shop, and took dozens of photographs both internally and externally plus the cellars. Copies of the drawing and the photographs were deposited in Accrington Library. Did you work for P.V. Tubes.
Retlaw.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 827102)

Just out of interest kikine, ya didn't also work at the victoria inn up manchester rd did ya?:)

Originally Posted by Balbus (Post 827120)

Later became Clarksons' Tyres?

Originally Posted by kikine (Post 827124)

Think after P.V closed it's doors it was boarded up, is it still? Be such a shame it is a fabulous building, full of character.

Originally Posted by kikine (Post 827227)

Thanks Retlaw, Would this still be a listed building?

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 827232)

I wonder if the round part of the building was originally designed for a specific purpose or is simply late Georgian ornamental?

Originally Posted by kikine (Post 827241)

Is Jacob Lang of Lang Bridges?

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 827208)

Its still being used there is a sign on the wall "Hiliti" I think, did'nt take much notice of that.
I've attached pictures I took today.

Do you know Retlaw, you CAN be really nice sometimes. Wish you were ALL the time! Smashing pictures you took, answering all queries. Well done! :)

Originally Posted by kikine (Post 827780)

Keep taking the pills, you did make me jump at first but am quite endeared to you now, don't change. Thanks for the photos they were great and I appreciate your sharing of your hard earned knowledge.

Stay Grumpy!

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 827208)

Its still being used there is a sign on the wall "Hiliti" I think, did'nt take much notice of that.
I've attached pictures I took today.

Do you know Retlaw, you CAN be really nice sometimes. Wish you were ALL the time! Smashing pictures you took, answering all queries. Well done! :)

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 827763)

He is always nice and polite with me??????

Originally Posted by katex (Post 875668)

Bob ... does you report show the name of all the licensed premises ?
Trying to sort out in another thread what the pub was called at 34 Bank Street, well, before it closed.

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 875385)

An old thread revived: I have just been given the Chief Constable's Licensing Report and report of Crime for 1936. I shall be giving it to the library, along with a few Crime reports for later years. At that time it appears that the Licensing and Crimne reports were separate. To read his licensing reports for those years, you will need to look at the Obsevers for each February, when he reported to the Brewster sessions

In March, the Thwaites Arms was closed and its Publican's (full) licence transferred to the Duke of Wellington beerhouse, Abbey St.

There were 106 licensed premises and 26 registed clubs in the borough. The population was 42,991, giving 406 to every licensed house. The club with most members was the Stephenson Memorial Club, Grimshaw st. The Massonic Club , with 516 members was next. The District Club, Blackburhn Rd had donly 38 Most clubs closed on Sundays

There were 47 Publican's (full) licences; 28 beerhouses (on); 21 beerhouses 9off); 10 other off-licences of varying sorts.

There were 164 police visits to licensed premises, resulting in one conviction for selling after time.4 males and 6 females were convicted, along with the landlord.

Between 1930 -36 the number of convictions for drunkennness averaged 26

There were 5 billards licences:- Crown Billard hall; Albion St Billard hall; The Alma Inn; Central Billard Hall, Whalley rd and the Transport Dept Club,

There were 5 cinemas. The King's Hall; The Empire; The Prince's; the Hippodrome; The Palace and the (Ritz) Picture House. The Regal, later Odeon, had not yet opened.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 875711)

So, 34 Bank Street finished up as the Farriers (started out as the Colliers). Wished you had come to our rescue on this thread from #49.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...s-56392-3.html

You were pratting on on another thread about it once being The Flying Dutchman !

Anyway, I got there in the end, even if I did call it The Furriers ... well, only a vowel out, eh ?

Cloggers is now Duckworth's wool shop; don't think the property exists any more that was once the Beehive at No. 42 ? Just spare land. :p

Sssssssss.

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 875721)

just one question, from an overseas Accy-web user ....... is "Snakehead" a new Accrington term of affection/endearment ... to be used in place of such terms as 'Dear' and 'Luv' or even 'Mi owd cock' :confused: ;)

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 875721)

just one question, from an overseas Accy-web user ....... is "Snakehead" a new Accrington term of affection/endearment ... to be used in place of such terms as 'Dear' and 'Luv' or even 'Mi owd cock' :confused: ;)

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 875836)

There is a photo of the Bee Hive in 'Accrington Acclaimed' page 30.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 875711)

So, 34 Bank Street finished up as the Farriers (started out as the Colliers). Wished you had come to our rescue on this thread from #49.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...s-56392-3.html

You were pratting on on another thread about it once being The Flying Dutchman !

Anyway, I got there in the end, even if I did call it The Furriers ... well, only a vowel out, eh ?

Cloggers is now Duckworth's wool shop; don't think the property exists any more that was once the Beehive at No. 42 ? Just spare land. :p

Sssssssss.

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 875883)

Flamin eck Snakehead your improving, whose books have you been reading. Now youv'e got your A B C's off by heart, are you going to start doing sums next 1+1 make 2.:D:D:D:D:tongueout
Retlaw

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 925300)

Not 100% accurate, but not far off.Certainly not complete.

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 925300)

Not 100% accurate, but not far off.Certainly not complete.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 925315)

Can someone enlighten me about the Thwaites Arms? it says "Demolished to make way for shopping centre" its news to me.:confused: only pub of that name i know was on Thwaites Rd Ossy.:confused:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 925317)

Me as well cashy, could it be on about the Australian:confused:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 925318)

nah its listed as is the Black Bull.:confused:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 925326)

Well as far as I know the Black Bull never had out to do wi Thwaites, what was that pub called further down than the bull, that was Daniels wasn't it:confused:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 925315)

Can someone enlighten me about the Thwaites Arms? it says "Demolished to make way for shopping centre" its news to me.:confused: :confused:

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 925374)

We certainly DID have a pub with that name Cashman. It was on the corner across from the Town Hall, and sort of facing where that curtain shop has just closed (next to Yorkshire Bank)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 925312)

wrong regarding the Welcome Inn twas on Birtwistle St,;) was one of me regular haunts fer a good while.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 925312)

wrong regarding the Welcome Inn twas on Birtwistle St,;) was one of me regular haunts fer a good while.

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 925367)

I was always under the impression The Welcome Inn was on Elelphant Street, but .. maybe not Cashman if you frequented the place, eh?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 925391)

yeh it was the Colliers on birtwistle St atarah just around the corner, got mixed up. both were Mathew Brown. (Lion) houses both sold Pint Crystals n thats me excuse. lol

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 925408)

I wonder if the 'recipe' for Crystal Ale was kept after Matthew Brown/Lions was shut down. I assume it's the mixture of hops/malt but what exactly was it that gave it the gas? Was it the yeast? The brewing process? Whatever, it's a pint that's sorely missed and it would be nice to see one of the microbreweries resurrect the brew.

Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 925432)

There was an Oak Tree in Acc as well as in Church. It was in Abbey St and closed down in 1929. I will dig up some info on it.

The Olde Black Bull ()its real name) was on King St, under the railway viaduct at the end of Hyndburn Rd It was Accrington's earliest pub, and the bridge over the river there is probably called Bull Bridge because it was close by the pub, whose name to locals would be shortened to The Bull. This spot was a main thoroughfare long before the turnpike was laid down and called Abbey St

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 925435)

I don't think the Church 'Oak Tree' was actually in Church...it was just over the border in Accy and I suspect it's name was a play on the historic source of Accy's name. Heading east on Blackburn Rd, the old sign "Welcome to Accy" was about twenty yards before the Oak Tree and that stood just about above the culverted Antley Syke, the boundary between Church & Accy.

As for the Black Bull, it's demolition was no less than a criminal act whose perpetuators have never been brought to justice. In it's place we have a tatty multi-storey car park, the demolition of which is in itself long overdue.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 925327)

Black Bull was a Thwaites house.;) as was the Australian.

Originally Posted by Tetti (Post 925529)

After Clarksons tyres, the Red Lion, for a few years, became a furniture shop. I can't remember its name. This would be 1972'ish.
Did PV Tubes have another shop on Abbey St. facing the Post Office?
According to a mate of mine that big tyre was one of the most comfortable beds he'd ever slept in, single and double.
T

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 925582)

Don't remember it ever being a furniture shop, it was PVtubes for quite a while, this has been mentioned on another thread.
The shop facing the Post Office, I think its Cryers, has been selling Tele's for a long while, had the same name as long as I can remember.
Retlaw.

Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 925589)

Hey, you just beat me to it Cashy! I didnt even know it was now called Cryers to be honest. I still think of it as Ken Clegg's, who once used to be on Bull Bridge, on the block between The Black Bull and Union Street.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 925586)

was Ken Cleggs, who used to be on Bull Bridge before Cryer took it oer i think, me cousin who is my age, has worked yon since he left school.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 925683)

Is your cousin called Dave cashy? in fact that shop has now closed, I used to buy all my TV equipment from Cryers, until they ripped me of about 5 years ago, I now use Harry Garlick