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***Mr D*** 02-05-2012 22:59

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 988943)
Here we go again - more word twisting and pendantry. You know perfectly well that I was talking about people whinging about this, that and the other concerning the subject of Accyweb, its members, karma system etc, but you deliberately chose to misinterpret it. No matter.

As for YOU not whinging about Accyweb members and its karma system, let's look at a recent quote of yours...

Yes the usual characters are out with the insults as usual, all be it in the own cleaver little way scoring that extra Karma from there Karma buddies or fellow members of the Click.

Wonder why we dont see many new members posting anymore

Hmmm...seems pretty critical to me.

Incidentally, as you seem to be an expert on the subject of "wingers" could you suggest a few names that I could pass them on to our manager for next season? ;)

No word twisting I read it as I quoted, on re reading I can see it as you meant it to be. But agree - No matter.

My quote wasn't winging if had my fun on here and that why I return I was just stating what I saw (IMO) on the particular thread, and love how one little word "*****":D is guaranteed to get reactions. ;)

kestrelx 02-05-2012 23:02

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AccyChris (Post 988989)
thanks for the Karma and childish comments guys you've out done yourselfs :do-one:

ha! ha! ha! your Karma has sure taken a plunge in the last few hours! :rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 03-05-2012 08:51

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 989009)
No word twisting I read it as I quoted, on re reading I can see it as you meant it to be. But agree - No matter.

My quote wasn't winging if had my fun on here and that why I return I was just stating what I saw (IMO) on the particular thread, and love how one little word "*****":D is guaranteed to get reactions. ;)

Well, your quote seems like "winging" to me, but maybe that's because I read it "as quoted", not as you "meant it to be". No matter - as long as you're having your fun.

Incidentally, is "wing" going to be one of those words like "click" that you deliberately misspell, then tell us that's how you meant to spell it all along? ;)

Spider61 03-05-2012 12:02

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
I’m scary :eek:- but only if you have arachnophobia.:D

***Mr D*** 03-05-2012 12:17

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 989043)
Incidentally, is "wing" going to be one of those words like "click" that you deliberately misspell, then tell us that's how you meant to spell it all along? ;)

No I just misspelt it. :D

Less 03-05-2012 13:31

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
What's really frightening is the amount of digs against established members, no clique, no Mafia, just people that post regularly.
Why do so many think that the majority on here should have to fit in with the minority of newcomers?
If you're a newbie that posts something worthwhile you will get worthwhile replies.

If you post rubbish that you demand is the, light the truth and all that should be, you will find you are not only alone in your existence but on site as well.
Don't try to change regular posters, don't expect any sensible member to allow you to walk over us.
Learn to alter the flow by being worthwhile to read not demanding everyone else should alter to your own narrow view, why should we be polite with the one's that come on to tell us we are all wrong and the site should immediately change to their point of view?
:confused:

We had a thread many years ago, we called the watchers ghosts, so far as I'm concerned I would rather have 10 ghost's that never post than one failed hippy that just complains because he/she/it can't get on with folk and goes out of his/her/it's way to post annoying threads.

Retlaw 03-05-2012 14:09

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 989093)
What's really frightening is the amount of digs against established members, no clique, no Mafia, just people that post regularly.
Why do so many think that the majority on here should have to fit in with the minority of newcomers?
If you're a newbie that posts something worthwhile you will get worthwhile replies.

If you post rubbish that you demand is the, light the truth and all that should be, you will find you are not only alone in your existence but on site as well.
Don't try to change regular posters, don't expect any sensible member to allow you to walk over us.
Learn to alter the flow by being worthwhile to read not demanding everyone else should alter to your own narrow view, why should we be polite with the one's that come on to tell us we are all wrong and the site should immediately change to their point of view?
:confused:

We had a thread many years ago, we called the watchers ghosts, so far as I'm concerned I would rather have 10 ghost's that never post than one failed hippy that just complains because he/she/it can't get on with folk and goes out of his/her/it's way to post annoying threads.

Very well put Less, I would also like to add, that if we all gave over responding to their purile posts, they would soon leave. They are only doing to bait Accy Webbers into responding.
Retlaw.

jaysay 03-05-2012 18:01

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 989100)
Very well put Less, I would also like to add, that if we all gave over responding to their purile posts, they would soon leave. They are only doing to bait Accy Webbers into responding.
Retlaw.

this Accy Webber just ignores them Retlaw, not worth responding to, they'll get fed up talking to themselves, and hopefully sod off

davemac 03-05-2012 18:52

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Why is it when they take over a thread (and you know who I mean without actually saying it) all the joy goes out of that thread and is replaced with nasty name calling and puerile arguments.

Could it be this is the reason we don't get as many people joining the site, perhaps we should rename the thread to " Which members frighten you and stop you joining the forum".

These people are on my ignore list so I don't see their rantings, I just see the reaction they provoke, and the regulars who stay away from the site.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this site, but not at the expense of others

mobertol 03-05-2012 20:20

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 989214)
These people are on my ignore list so I don't see their rantings, I just see the reaction they provoke, and the regulars who stay away from the site. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this site, but not at the expense of others

Everyone is entitled to their opinion - but i don't see how someone's opinion can be at the expense of others or keep regulars away from the site. Do you really think that is happening? Has someone said they are staying away for this reason?

We can all start up threads about what interests us and talk about those subjects freely with others who are interested.

There has been a rash of exchange about drugs fom certain members which I did make a few comments about initially but then, because I have nothing useful to add on the subject, have given it a wide berth and I think that quite a few others have done the same to avoid getting into a spiral of useless comments and personal insults which was leading nowhere fast. Luckily there are plenty of other interesting subjects to talk about and fun things to laugh about and in any case they'll soon get fed-up of banging on about their own little "rebellions" sooner or later.

I have never used the ignore button - i 'd rather see someones opinion and then choose to ignore or disregard their comment afterwards...that's if I can be bothered to read some of it.:rolleyes::D

susie123 03-05-2012 20:30

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 988382)
Some of the 'visitors' are cyber robots trawling for potential spam sites.

I've often wondered about this statistic:

Most users ever online was 2,111 (02-03-2010 at 22:37).

Wonder what was special, if anything, about that date and time to bring so many out of the woodwork?

DaveinGermany 03-05-2012 20:37

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 989248)
I've often wondered about this statistic:

Most users ever online was 2,111 (02-03-2010 at 22:37).

Wonder what was special, if anything, about that date and time to bring so many out of the woodwork?

Think there was something "Big" politically going on at the time Sue. :)

susie123 03-05-2012 20:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 989254)
Think there was something "Big" politically going on at the time Sue. :)

Such as...?

Margaret Pilkington 03-05-2012 20:45

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 989241)
Everyone is entitled to their opinion - but i don't see how someone's opinion can be at the expense of others or keep regulars away from the site. Do you really think that is happening? Has someone said they are staying away for this reason?

We can all start up threads about what interests us and talk about those subjects freely with others who are interested.

There has been a rash of exchange about drugs fom certain members which I did make a few comments about initially but then, because I have nothing useful to add on the subject, have given it a wide berth and I think that quite a few others have done the same to avoid getting into a spiral of useless comments and personal insults which was leading nowhere fast. Luckily there are plenty of other interesting subjects to talk about and fun things to laugh about and in any case they'll soon get fed-up of banging on about their own little "rebellions" sooner or later.

I have never used the ignore button - i 'd rather see someones opinion and then choose to ignore or disregard their comment afterwards...that's if I can be bothered to read some of it.:rolleyes::D


Yes, I have not been here as much as I ordinarily would be.
I found the drug threads and the acrimony they provoked really tiresome........and I didn't want to read all that stuff. I did try to avoid it, but found comments relating to these threads seeping into totally unrelated subjects.
And to hear long term members who have been regular contributors called the 'three stooges'....in a way that is not only derogatory, but insulting too....well to put no fine point on it, it wasn't pleasant visiting the site...so I didn't.
I accept that folk are entitled to their opninions and rightly so, but I don't want to find those opinions ranted about in every other post.

And if that sounds petty it isn't meant to be. I just tell it like it appears to me...my own view.

DaveinGermany 03-05-2012 20:51

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 989256)
Such as...?

Think it was something about local bollictics, forced candidates, best candidates, out of date dates & general mud slinging.

Less 03-05-2012 21:01

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 989248)
I've often wondered about this statistic:

Most users ever online was 2,111 (02-03-2010 at 22:37).

Wonder what was special, if anything, about that date and time to bring so many out of the woodwork?

If memory serves correctly there were two times when we got visitors like that.
One was when we were hacked by some naughty Dutch hackers that put the site out of use for about 10 days while Roy repaired the corrupted files on the servers.
The other time when we had a massive software upgrade.

Both times caused a great deal of interest for the robotic spiders that come around gathering information.

They must have thought it was a new site and called up their mates to gather all the information and posts in the archives.

susie123 03-05-2012 21:11

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 989264)
If memory serves correctly there were two times when we got visitors like that.
One was when we were hacked by some naughty Dutch hackers that put the site out of use for about 10 days while Roy repaired the corrupted files on the servers.
The other time when we had a massive software upgrade.

Both times caused a great deal of interest for the robotic spiders that come around gathering information.

They must have thought it was a new site and called up their mates to gather all the information and posts in the archives.

Thanks for that Less.

Less 03-05-2012 21:29

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 989269)
Thanks for that Less.

No problem, during the time the hackers put us off the web was the only time I'd agreed to be a temporary mod'.
Now you may think that while the site wasn't up & running would mean mods weren't needed, but Roy had set a small page up telling folk what had happened and within about three days another member had generously built a temporary AccyWeb, so things could still continue.:alright:

Retlaw 03-05-2012 21:32

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 989214)
Why is it when they take over a thread (and you know who I mean without actually saying it) all the joy goes out of that thread and is replaced with nasty name calling and puerile arguments.

Could it be this is the reason we don't get as many people joining the site, perhaps we should rename the thread to " Which members frighten you and stop you joining the forum".

These people are on my ignore list so I don't see their rantings, I just see the reaction they provoke, and the regulars who stay away from the site.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this site, but not at the expense of others

I think it should be, that they are entitled to their opinions,
as long as they keep it to their selves.
They are just baiting people, for their own entertainment.
Retlaw

susie123 03-05-2012 21:34

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 989280)
No problem, during the time the hackers put us off the web was the only time I'd agreed to be a temporary mod'.
Now you may think that while the site wasn't up & running would mean mods weren't needed, but Roy had set a small page up telling folk what had happened and within about three days another member had generously built a temporary AccyWeb, so things could still continue.:alright:

Just shows what great people use the site...

Mancie 03-05-2012 21:42

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 989281)
I think it should be, that they are entitled to their opinions,
as long as they keep it to their selves.
.
Retlaw

People are entitled to an opinion but should keep it to themselves.. :D..not much scope for debate then eh?

Restless 03-05-2012 21:47

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
hope u dont count me in that(my recent dig at you) because I have been a part of this site(just not with this user and sometimes not signing it) just as long as you. I signed around the same time as my friend Ernie(RIP Ern wish u was still here)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 989093)
What's really frightening is the amount of digs against established members


Restless 03-05-2012 21:49

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
This is a forum. its all about debate and that means NOT keeping your opinions to yourself :p


Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 989281)
I think it should be, that they are entitled to their opinions,
as long as they keep it to their selves.
They are just baiting people, for their own entertainment.
Retlaw


Restless 03-05-2012 21:55

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
I should ebaborate because each day I live the more the my cynicism and/or sarcasm grows and the more i feel i may be turning into you ;) (thats a compliment wouldnt ya know)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 989288)
hope u dont count me in that(my recent dig at you) because I have been a part of this site(just not with this user and sometimes not signing it) just as long as you. I signed around the same time as my friend Ernie(RIP Ern wish u was still here)


susie123 03-05-2012 22:02

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 989291)
I should ebaborate because each day I live the more the my cynicism and/or sarcasm grows and the more i feel i may be turning into you ;) (thats a compliment wouldnt ya know)

I know what you mean Rob. Less reminds me of my dad and there are lots of worse people you could turn into. :eek::)

shillelagh 03-05-2012 22:04

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
ah well its nice to know im a whinger ....:p:p:p

Less 03-05-2012 22:23

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 989288)
hope u dont count me in that(my recent dig at you) because I have been a part of this site(just not with this user and sometimes not signing it) just as long as you. I signed around the same time as my friend Ernie(RIP Ern wish u was still here)

No so don't fret.
Check your dates, it isn't really important, but I have been a member since before the great crash of 2004 which meant everyone before that date now look like they started on the same day. Which is slightly longer than yourself.
Yes it's a shame when members are no longer with us because of death.

Now get on with posting.
;)

davemac 03-05-2012 22:29

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 989241)
Everyone is entitled to their opinion - but i don't see how someone's opinion can be at the expense of others or keep regulars away from the site. Do you really think that is happening? Has someone said they are staying away for this reason?

We can all start up threads about what interests us and talk about those subjects freely with others who are interested.

There has been a rash of exchange about drugs fom certain members which I did make a few comments about initially but then, because I have nothing useful to add on the subject, have given it a wide berth and I think that quite a few others have done the same to avoid getting into a spiral of useless comments and personal insults which was leading nowhere fast. Luckily there are plenty of other interesting subjects to talk about and fun things to laugh about and in any case they'll soon get fed-up of banging on about their own little "rebellions" sooner or later.

I have never used the ignore button - i 'd rather see someones opinion and then choose to ignore or disregard their comment afterwards...that's if I can be bothered to read some of it.:rolleyes::D

Giving certain subjects a big swerve would be fine if the people on those drug threads didn't bring their septic view over onto other threads to continue the indoctrination.
I started this thread to get an explanation why we always had more guests online than members, it went fine until the drugs gang turned up trolling on this thread.

The arrival of this group took the humour out of the postings, pushed the regulars off line, and I shouldnt be forced to abandone my thread because of the nasty posters.

Retlaw 03-05-2012 22:37

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 989286)
People are entitled to an opinion but should keep it to themselves.. :D..not much scope for debate then eh?

I was refering to the thread hijackers, not the inteligent people with some thing to say.
Retlaw

Retlaw 03-05-2012 22:40

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 989289)
This is a forum. its all about debate and that means NOT keeping your opinions to yourself :p

I was refering to the thread hijackers, not the inteligent people with some thing to say. If nobody responded to their posts, they would disappear, simple.
Retlaw

Eric 03-05-2012 22:41

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 989257)
Yes, I have not been here as much as I ordinarily would be.
I found the drug threads and the acrimony they provoked really tiresome........and I didn't want to read all that stuff. I did try to avoid it, but found comments relating to these threads seeping into totally unrelated subjects.
And to hear long term members who have been regular contributors called the 'three stooges'....in a way that is not only derogatory, but insulting too....well to put no fine point on it, it wasn't pleasant visiting the site...so I didn't.
I accept that folk are entitled to their opninions and rightly so, but I don't want to find those opinions ranted about in every other post.

And if that sounds petty it isn't meant to be. I just tell it like it appears to me...my own view.

I agree, hon (Ooops ... does "hon" make us a clique?) ... it's the acrimony that p's me off ... it really has nothing to do with drugs; if the topic were the "Care and Maintenance of Pandas" it would crop up. Some posters there are who believe that there is a clique, a bunch of insiders who want to rule the roost. The fact that there is no clique, that there are no clicks, doesn't seem to penetrate their skulls. Members of the non-existent clique are rightfully upset about this. Unfortunately, it ain't gonna change any time soon.

Oh ... I forgot ... there is a clique ... The Fellowship of The Hat:alright: Right now, it's only me (I know, Susie, it should be "I"; but that sounds two clumbsy) and DaveinGermany who are members. It's open to anyone who has been hammered in The Hat. And for the month of May, those who have driven by The Hat, or flown over it, are invited to apply for membership. Have a nice day, eh.;)

Restless 03-05-2012 23:04

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Crash of 2004! Yeah that seems to be a recurrent theme-- that was the same on a torrent site I was on :)

Yeah. Ernie's profile is still here. I was happy to see Admin had put his profile as "resting in peace" I think ern would like that

Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 989309)
No so don't fret.
Check your dates, it isn't really important, but I have been a member since before the great crash of 2004 which meant everyone before that date now look like they started on the same day. Which is slightly longer than yourself.
Yes it's a shame when members are no longer with us because of death.

Now get on with posting.
;)


susie123 03-05-2012 23:09

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 989317)
Oh ... I forgot ... there is a clique ... The Fellowship of The Hat:alright: Right now, it's only me (I know, Susie, it should be "I"; but that sounds two clumbsy) and DaveinGermany who are members. It's open to anyone who has been hammered in The Hat. And for the month of May, those who have driven by The Hat, or flown over it, are invited to apply for membership. Have a nice day, eh.;)

Shucks thought I might qualify having travelled across Canada on the CN railway - but I see it doesn't go anywhere near The Hat. Pity, would have liked to have joined such a select group...:(:p

Less 03-05-2012 23:12

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 989332)
Crash of 2004! Yeah that seems to be a recurrent theme-- that was the same on a torrent site I was on :)

Yeah. Ernie's profile is still here. I was happy to see Admin had put his profile as "resting in peace" I think ern would like that

Yes they do it for any member that we know about having passed away, if anyone knows of members that are no longer with us they will bring them up to date. (though they have to be careful, in case any of our sicker members might think it would be funny to claim it for someone still alive).

cashman 03-05-2012 23:18

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 989335)
Yes they do it for any member that we know about having passed away, if anyone knows of members that are no longer with us they will bring them up to date. (though they have to be careful, in case any of our sicker members might think it would be funny to claim it for someone still alive).

Yep thats the way its done, Meself when i croak i would prefer "Gone To Hell":D

Restless 04-05-2012 06:45

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
:) perhaps I could have "reincarnated as a spambot"

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 989336)
Yep thats the way its done, Meself when i croak i would prefer "Gone To Hell":D


Margaret Pilkington 04-05-2012 07:29

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 989317)
Oh ... I forgot ... there is a clique ... The Fellowship of The Hat:alright: Right now, it's only me (I know, Susie, it should be "I"; but that sounds two clumbsy) and DaveinGermany who are members. It's open to anyone who has been hammered in The Hat. And for the month of May, those who have driven by The Hat, or flown over it, are invited to apply for membership. Have a nice day, eh.;)

I would love to be a member of that clique, but I don't have any relevant qualifications - well, other than having read about it....I don't suppose that counts...does it?(I don't eat very much, am relatively quiet and mostly courteous):D.

jaysay 04-05-2012 08:18

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 989288)
hope u dont count me in that(my recent dig at you) because I have been a part of this site(just not with this user and sometimes not signing it) just as long as you. I signed around the same time as my friend Ernie(RIP Ern wish u was still here)

I wondered where Ernie had gone Restless, he used to do the site quiz everyday and he suddenly stopped, nobody mentioned he had passed away as I can remember, but that's very sad

jaysay 04-05-2012 08:24

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 989336)
Yep thats the way its done, Meself when i croak i would prefer "Gone To Hell":D

There was me thinking ya were already there:p:p:D

Eric 04-05-2012 13:29

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 989336)
Yep thats the way its done, Meself when i croak i would prefer "Gone To Hell":D

That's 'cause you've been told more than enough times;):D

mobertol 04-05-2012 14:37

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 989257)
Yes, I have not been here as much as I ordinarily would be.
I found the drug threads and the acrimony they provoked really tiresome........and I didn't want to read all that stuff. I did try to avoid it, but found comments relating to these threads seeping into totally unrelated subjects.
And to hear long term members who have been regular contributors called the 'three stooges'....in a way that is not only derogatory, but insulting too....well to put no fine point on it, it wasn't pleasant visiting the site...so I didn't.
I accept that folk are entitled to their opninions and rightly so, but I don't want to find those opinions ranted about in every other post.

And if that sounds petty it isn't meant to be. I just tell it like it appears to me...my own view.

I haven't been on as much either Margaret for several months but for other reasons so i may have missed a lot of the acrimony as I'd already decided to steer well clear from the "drugs" threads -certainly didn't catch the three stooges:mad: Nastiness just for the sake of it is always unpleasant - have the mods not had anything to say on the whole subject? Sorry to hear it has put you off posting and I hope the same isn't true for others or the bullies will be getting what they want and that is wrong.

As to certain members bringing "drugs and acrimony" into lots of unrelated topics I have noticed that and i don't think it's petty to express your dislike. The only thing to do is to ignore it and carry on with the main discussion -I see Davemac's point of view too and understand that it is getting to him but just don't add fuel to their fire by replying or showing that it bugs you -that's the best way to treat kiddies having tantrums!:dummy:

They'll get fed-up and go away when they don't get any attention(hopefully).

Restless 04-05-2012 17:13

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
I had posted a thread about it at the time. Gremlin knew Ernie personally and didn't know he had died. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 989367)
I wondered where Ernie had gone Restless, he used to do the site quiz everyday and he suddenly stopped, nobody mentioned he had passed away as I can remember, but that's very sad


jaysay 04-05-2012 17:58

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 989493)
I had posted a thread about it at the time. Gremlin knew Ernie personally and didn't know he had died. :(

I must have missed that Restless, could have been in hospital or something, because its rarely I miss things like that:(

Restless 04-05-2012 18:03

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ton-50552.html here it is

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 989511)
I must have missed that Restless, could have been in hospital or something, because its rarely I miss things like that:(


jaysay 04-05-2012 18:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 989517)

Ya Restless thought there was a reason went into hospital on the 19 11 09, came out on 7 12 09, That's why I didn't see it

DaveinGermany 04-05-2012 19:38

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 989317)
Oh ... I forgot ... there is a clique ... The Fellowship of The Hat:alright: Right now, it's only me (I know, Susie, it should be "I"; but that sounds two clumbsy) and DaveinGermany who are members. It's open to anyone who has been hammered in The Hat. And for the month of May, those who have driven by The Hat, or flown over it, are invited to apply for membership. Have a nice day, eh.;)

The fellowship of the Hat, Eh ! We tread were man feareth the darkness, but from the darkness comes forth light & enlightenment. We fear naught (well maybe a dry tap) but the quest continueth from the bottle. Deeper into the Stygian gloom of the "Bin" ever onwards for renown & eminence (& to get a good table near the bar with a good view of the stage ;))

A truly noble & worthy cause, most meritorious of those who try. :)

davemac 04-05-2012 21:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 989562)
The fellowship of the Hat, Eh ! We tread were man feareth the darkness, but from the darkness comes forth light & enlightenment. We fear naught (well maybe a dry tap) but the quest continueth from the bottle. Deeper into the Stygian gloom of the "Bin" ever onwards for renown & eminence (& to get a good table near the bar with a good view of the stage ;))

A truly noble & worthy cause, most meritorious of those who try. :)


Er, what!

Less 04-05-2012 21:24

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 989605)
Er, what!

I think you now know (or as jaysay would put it, no no) the answer to your question, Are registered members frightening?
Is YES.
:cool:

DaveinGermany 04-05-2012 21:40

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 989605)
Er, what!

We're talking a time & place far distant from our own & the present day. You wouldn't know man, you weren't there ! :D

for an inkling into this World take a nose at :-

Canada, Troops & training. - Accrington Web

Bad Medicine at Medicine Hat. - Accrington Web


Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 989612)
I think you now know (or as jaysay would put it, no no) the answer to your question, Are registered members frightening?
Is YES.
:cool:

Deep perhaps, or even quite weighty, but I wouldn't say frightening. :D

davemac 04-05-2012 21:52

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 989615)
We're talking a time & place far distant from our own & the present day. You wouldn't know man, you weren't there ! :D

for an inkling into this World take a nose at :-

Canada, Troops & training. - Accrington Web

Bad Medicine at Medicine Hat. - Accrington Web




Deep perhaps, or even quite weighty, but I wouldn't say frightening. :D

Its a world I know nothing about, I couldnt even join the brownies

davemac 04-05-2012 21:53

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 989612)
I think you now know (or as jaysay would put it, no no) the answer to your question, Are registered members frightening?
Is YES.
:cool:

I think the consensus is yes, registered members are frightening, but what percentage?

cashman 04-05-2012 21:55

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 989620)
I think the consensus is yes, registered members are frightening, but what percentage?

I disagree,what consensus?:confused:

davemac 04-05-2012 22:01

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 989623)
I disagree,what consensus?:confused:

You were sent the form, if you did not fill it in, and send it back then your vote will not count. The lesson is you have to be in it to win it.

cashman 04-05-2012 22:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 989628)
You were sent the form, if you did not fill it in, and send it back then your vote will not count. The lesson is you have to be in it to win it.

Sorry i had another vote to cast today, musta slipped me mind.

DaveinGermany 04-05-2012 22:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 989619)
I couldnt even join the brownies

Vicious little thugs them, demanding money with menace ! :eek:

Less 04-05-2012 22:45

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 989620)
I think the consensus is yes, registered members are frightening, but what percentage?

Traditionally, 95% can be the only percentage here on AccyWeb.

Though I'm willing to have a good old thread wandering argument with those weirdo's that make up the other 5.5% let's face it, they are totally wrong!
:rolleyes:

Eric 05-05-2012 00:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 989562)
The fellowship of the Hat, Eh ! We tread were man feareth the darkness, but from the darkness comes forth light & enlightenment. We fear naught (well maybe a dry tap) but the quest continueth from the bottle. Deeper into the Stygian gloom of the "Bin" ever onwards for renown & eminence (& to get a good table near the bar with a good view of the stage ;))

A truly noble & worthy cause, most meritorious of those who try. :)

Amen brother:D ... and it looks like this will be a select group. Thousands are anxious to join ... well, a couple of folks expressed interest, but had been nowhere near The Hat ("I've been to Canada", or "I had a friend whose rental broke down in Speedy Creek" isn't good enough.)

jaysay 05-05-2012 09:07

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 989642)
Traditionally, 95% can be the only percentage here on AccyWeb.

Though I'm willing to have a good old thread wandering argument with those weirdo's that make up the other 5.5% let's face it, they are totally wrong!
:rolleyes:

5.5% un yes I see where your coming from Less:rolleyes:

DaveinGermany 05-05-2012 10:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 989663)
Amen brother:D ... and it looks like this will be a select group. Thousands are anxious to join ... well, a couple of folks expressed interest, but had been nowhere near The Hat ("I've been to Canada", or "I had a friend whose rental broke down in Speedy Creek" isn't good enough.)

Yes, many are called, but alas, fall short ! The qualifications required, while not strenuous, are it seems beyond the majority. Shall it be then, that we as a fellowship are destined to remain a highly desirable aspiration, but sorely lacking in new acolytes ? It appears so ! :)

(Just means more Beer for the brethren ;))

And we don't frighten anybody, what with us being most convivial in our doings.

davemac 05-05-2012 12:04

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 989641)
Vicious little thugs them, demanding money with menace ! :eek:

It was the costume I couldnt fit it, it was only last Tuesday!

davemac 06-05-2012 12:55

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
So to get back on thread subject, are registered members frightening off the guests from joining, or as has been suggested certain factions are intimidating new members and by default, potential new members.

cashman 06-05-2012 12:59

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 989967)
So to get back on thread subject, are registered members frightening off the guests from joining, or as has been suggested certain factions are intimidating new members and by default, potential new members.

Neither in my opinion, Stuff happens every now n then, People come n go, its called life, Seen stuff like this a few times oer the years, Makes no difference AccyWeb will continue regardless.;)

Margaret Pilkington 06-05-2012 13:06

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
It is only my opinion, but the answer from me would have to be 'no'.
I'm pretty sure that many potential members sit on the sidelines watching the 'flow'.....surely they can make up their minds before they jump in....and the fact that many do jump in and post interesting stuff is a testament to this.
We all know who the 'grumpy burgers' on the site are...it is a bit like a microcosm of real life...you meet people you like a bit, you meet people you like a lot....you meet people you couldn't give a rusty nut for and then there are the rest....you take them in your stride.
Anyone who isn't adult enough to be able to deal with it, needs to live a bit and come back when they feel they have developed enough coping strategies to let any perceived arrows go right over their heads.

Less 06-05-2012 14:59

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 989967)
So to get back on thread subject, are registered members frightening off the guests from joining, or as has been suggested certain factions are intimidating new members and by default, potential new members.

Perhaps it's the wrong question?

Could it just be that the guests are happy to be just that, guests? I have a few friends that regularly read but never post.

Perhaps the people that join, come across the site find it interesting and jump straight in?

Maybe some are put off? Maybe some are encouraged to join because of the way the members join together to discourage the idiots rather than allow them to take control?
We seem to get the really strange ones turning up about once every three months, (or in my case daily), it's not often they come in pairs, we even have some members go out of their way to encourage the fools to post more, these members usually hide behind such terms as being fair or freedom of speech.

mobertol 06-05-2012 15:20

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 990002)
We seem to get the really strange ones turning up about once every three months, (or in my case daily), it's not often they come in pairs, we even have some members go out of their way to encourage the fools to post more, these members usually hide behind such terms as being fair or freedom of speech.

I have noticed this also, I always wonder if it's the same person reinventing themselves -or would that not be possible?

When I posted from my mum's computer in Tenerife recently she got a message pretty quickly asking her if she had opened two profiles!

Less 06-05-2012 15:36

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 990008)
I have noticed this also, I always wonder if it's the same person reinventing themselves -or would that not be possible?

When I posted from my mum's computer in Tenerife recently she got a message pretty quickly asking her if she had opened two profiles!

Well in theory, The site does track members (not in a nasty way) when we register we have an IP address, this is registered with the mebership. There are two reasons, to protect the member from being hacked and to prevent people using two user names either at the same or if they've been banned and try to enrol again. So when you log on from a different address this is noted.
There is nothing wrong with using your account from a different computer, but if you had been hacked and you were logged on in Italy* and at the same time the UK*, then something, somewhere, is wrong so checks are made.
The above is only a brief outline of what happens, I won't go into further details, but you could learn more by googling of course.

* Your computer in Italy could be logged on permanently (when you tick log me into this computer permanently) and the account in UK temporary this could explain being online in two places at once.
:)

Restless 06-05-2012 16:48

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Seems like Accychris has been a member for a while but only just decided to join the discussion

jaysay 06-05-2012 18:09

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 990046)
Seems like Accychris has been a member for a while but only just decided to join the discussion

He might have been away Restless:rolleyes:

davemac 06-05-2012 21:08

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 989973)
It is only my opinion, but the answer from me would have to be 'no'.
I'm pretty sure that many potential members sit on the sidelines watching the 'flow'.....surely they can make up their minds before they jump in....and the fact that many do jump in and post interesting stuff is a testament to this.
We all know who the 'grumpy burgers' on the site are...it is a bit like a microcosm of real life...you meet people you like a bit, you meet people you like a lot....you meet people you couldn't give a rusty nut for and then there are the rest....you take them in your stride.
Anyone who isn't adult enough to be able to deal with it, needs to live a bit and come back when they feel they have developed enough coping strategies to let any perceived arrows go right over their heads.


I think the difference with real life and here is, if you were talking to someone in the street you would not expect to be interrupted by someone who just wants to give insults or dominate the conversation.

Also you can choose to walk away and start a conversation with someone else, and if they followed you you would call the police The etiquette of real life is disappearing on here

davemac 06-05-2012 21:13

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 990002)
Perhaps it's the wrong question?

Could it just be that the guests are happy to be just that, guests? I have a few friends that regularly read but never post.

Perhaps the people that join, come across the site find it interesting and jump straight in?

Maybe some are put off? Maybe some are encouraged to join because of the way the members join together to discourage the idiots rather than allow them to take control?
We seem to get the really strange ones turning up about once every three months, (or in my case daily), it's not often they come in pairs, we even have some members go out of their way to encourage the fools to post more, these members usually hide behind such terms as being fair or freedom of speech.

There are disadvantages to just being a guest, you are unable to view the photos posted on here by some of our excellent photographers. So you only get the text of a conversation and miss out on the depth that can be provided, plus you do not get a key to the executive toilets, or the free delivery of chutney on the first of the month.

cashman 06-05-2012 21:29

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 990112)
I think the difference with real life and here is, if you were talking to someone in the street you would not expect to be interrupted by someone who just wants to give insults or dominate the conversation.

Also you can choose to walk away and start a conversation with someone else, and if they followed you you would call the police The etiquette of real life is disappearing on here

I think if yeh post on here yer talking to everyone, if yeh realise it or not, Theres sod all disappearing on on here, its just phases that come n go as a few have explained, some can't seem to grasp that fact, always some newbies come on n want to change things to suit them,This is getting as boring as the drugs thread by going oer the same ground.:rolleyes:

Less 06-05-2012 21:38

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 990113)
There are disadvantages to just being a guest, you are unable to view the photos posted on here by some of our excellent photographers. So you only get the text of a conversation and miss out on the depth that can be provided, plus you do not get a key to the executive toilets, or the free delivery of chutney on the first of the month.

Have you seen the state of those toilets lately?
Could it be that the same people that leave a disgusting trail across the threads are doing the same in there?

:s_pooh:

davemac 06-05-2012 21:53

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 990116)
I think if yeh post on here yer talking to everyone, if yeh realise it or not, Theres sod all disappearing on on here, its just phases that come n go as a few have explained, some can't seem to grasp that fact, always some newbies come on n want to change things to suit them,This is getting as boring as the drugs thread by going oer the same ground.:rolleyes:

You have a point , a post is, I suppose speaking to everyone. The thing is though, you have to respect the others on this site, and insulting to suite your argument is not a polite thing to do. It will result in threads closed or posts removed, and not a moment too soon

susie123 06-05-2012 21:54

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 990118)
Have you seen the state of those toilets lately?
Could it be that the same people that leave a disgusting trail across the threads are doing the same in there?

:s_pooh

Nah, I think it's after people have eaten the chutney... :pain30:

davemac 06-05-2012 21:57

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 990118)
Have you seen the state of those toilets lately?
Could it be that the same people that leave a disgusting trail across the threads are doing the same in there?

:s_pooh:


Hey, that was a bit subtle with the smilies (or smellies as they are called)

Less 06-05-2012 22:00

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 990120)
Nah, I think it's after people have eaten the chutney... :pain30:

If it causes you problems, cut out the middleperson (Oooh look even I can be PC), when the chutney arrives just go to the toilet and spread that over the toilet seat. No-one will look close enough to notice the difference.

cashman 06-05-2012 22:56

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 990119)
You have a point , a post is, I suppose speaking to everyone. The thing is though, you have to respect the others on this site, and insulting to suite your argument is not a polite thing to do. It will result in threads closed or posts removed, and not a moment too soon

True, but what i think in quite a few cases n perhaps yeh aint aware dave? quite a few on here now know each other personally, thats a fact, N those folk frequently have the craic or banter wi each other, Some i would think people may perceive as deadly enemies, Its easy done wi those who choose to stay behind the keyboard, ;)

Studio25 06-05-2012 23:06

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 990112)
I think the difference with real life and here is, if you were talking to someone in the street you would not expect to be interrupted by someone who just wants to give insults or dominate the conversation...

I wish! I seem to be a magent for people who think it's OK to interrupt, and monopolise the conversation. Yesterday, I encountered someone who did exactly that. Was talking to a man about a dog (honestly!), and someone I'd never met before felt the need to tell me how wrong my photography "panorama" technique was. When I first started out, I'd got cross and pointed out that I wasn't doing a panorama; but I can't be bothered getting drawn into disagreements any more. Then he spent five minutes explaining why his camera was so much better than mine. People like that eventually get bored if you don't "bite"...

maxthecollie 07-05-2012 05:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Studio25 (Post 990137)
I wish! I seem to be a magent for people who think it's OK to interrupt, and monopolise the conversation. Yesterday, I encountered someone who did exactly that. Was talking to a man about a dog (honestly!), and someone I'd never met before felt the need to tell me how wrong my photography "panorama" technique was. When I first started out, I'd got cross and pointed out that I wasn't doing a panorama; but I can't be bothered getting drawn into disagreements any more. Then he spent five minutes explaining why his camera was so much better than mine. People like that eventually get bored if you don't "bite"...

There are always people like that. Whatever you say do or have they have done better or have better and like to brag.

jaysay 07-05-2012 08:30

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 990142)
There are always people like that. Whatever you say do or have they have done better or have better and like to brag.

Quite right we used to call um the local bore:rolleyes:

maxthecollie 07-05-2012 08:34

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 990173)
Quite right we used to call um the local bore:rolleyes:

Couldn't have put it better myself

Less 07-05-2012 08:38

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 990173)
Quite right we used to call um the local bore:rolleyes:

How things have changed, we call ours Jaysay.
:hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall:

Neil 07-05-2012 08:42

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 990008)
When I posted from my mum's computer in Tenerife recently she got a message pretty quickly asking her if she had opened two profiles!


That is standard and most people will be asked that unless we know them personally or have asked before. You are only allowed 1 account, we have had members with 2 accounts in the past using the other account to wind up people etc.

It also helps us ban spam users/bots who register again after being banned for advertising or whatever.

Neil 07-05-2012 08:45

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 990135)
True, but what i think in quite a few cases n perhaps yeh aint aware dave? quite a few on here now know each other personally, thats a fact, N those folk frequently have the craic or banter wi each other, Some i would think people may perceive as deadly enemies, Its easy done wi those who choose to stay behind the keyboard, ;)

That is why some comments are left while similar comments from other members are removed. I know it often looks to new members that there is a bias in the moderating but there is a difference between, for example, you calling Jaysay a plonker and a new member doing the same. You know him personally so you know he is :D, the new member would just be being rude.

jaysay 07-05-2012 08:47

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 990180)
How things have changed, we call ours Jaysay.
:hidewall::hidewall::hidewall::hidewall:

Thats it you'll buy your own when I visit the Railway:D

jaysay 07-05-2012 08:49

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 990186)
That is why some comments are left while similar comments from other members are removed. I know it often looks to new members that there is a bias in the moderating but there is a difference between, for example, you calling Jaysay a plonker and a new member doing the same. You know him personally so you know he is :D, the new member would just be being rude.

Why is it you remove my post when I call you a plonker then:tongueout:tongueout:tongueout

Less 07-05-2012 08:51

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 990188)
Thats it you'll buy your own when I visit the Railway:D

Don't get sniffy, you should have seen what I was originally going to say!
:eek:

Neil 07-05-2012 08:52

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 990189)
Why is it you remove my post when I call you a plonker then:tongueout:tongueout:tongueout

I don't think I do, now stop moaning before I come and step on your pipe :p

jaysay 07-05-2012 08:53

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 990191)
Don't get sniffy, you should have seen what I was originally going to say!
:eek:

Ya Less but unlike a lot you know the rules and how fare you can bend them:D

jaysay 07-05-2012 08:54

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 990192)
I don't think I do, now stop moaning before I come and step on your pipe :p

Oh no not again:D

Less 07-05-2012 08:58

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 990193)
Ya Less but unlike a lot you know the rules and how fare you can bend them:D

Oh snicker, snicker, snicker!!!

Keyboard swimming in coffee, trousers dripping with wee,

"It's the way you Spell 'um".

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

jaysay 07-05-2012 09:02

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 990195)
Oh snicker, snicker, snicker!!!

Keyboard swimming in coffee trousers dripping with wee,

"It's the way you Spell 'um".

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Look somebody has to highlight your otherwise dull life Less, only too pleased to be of service, save mick having to buy you beer every Saturday:D:D:D

Less 07-05-2012 09:23

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 990196)
Look somebody has to highlight your otherwise dull life Less, only too pleased to be of service, save mick having to buy you beer every Saturday:D:D:D

Don't bring religion into the subject, it's traditional like going around with the collection plate on a Sunday, he wouldn't know what to do with all that money if I didn't help him out.

P.S. Just be careful or I'll start rumours about YOUR little habit.

I've seen the empty bottles stacked up outside your place, proof that oxygen is addictive and addles one's speelink.
:hesoff:

jaysay 07-05-2012 09:42

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 990197)
Don't bring religion into the subject, it's traditional like going around with the collection plate on a Sunday, he wouldn't know what to do with all that money if I didn't help him out.

P.S. Just be careful or I'll start rumours about YOUR little habit.

I've seen the empty bottles stacked up outside your place, proof that oxygen is addictive and addles one's speelink.
:hesoff:

Oh come on Less thats a real cheap shot, anyway I'll put it in your terms, I don't bother with bottles I only use Draught:D

Less 07-05-2012 09:49

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 990201)
Oh come on Less thats a real cheap shot, anyway I'll put it in your terms, I don't bother with bottles I only use Draught:D

Of course it was a cheap shot, I only have expensive shot's when someone else is paying.
:)

jaysay 07-05-2012 09:52

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 990204)
Of course it was a cheap shot, I only have expensive shot's when someone else is paying.
:)

One of these days I'm going to win one of these tit for tat exchanges Less, must keep trying:D

Less 07-05-2012 09:58

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 990206)
One of these days I'm going to win one of these tit for tat exchanges Less, must keep trying:D

You keep believing that, I like a man with ambition!
:mosher::thankya::alright:

jaysay 07-05-2012 10:07

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 990210)
You keep believing that, I like a man with ambition!
:mosher::thankya::alright:

Well one of them was fulfilled this morning Less:D

davemac 07-05-2012 12:42

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 990186)
That is why some comments are left while similar comments from other members are removed. I know it often looks to new members that there is a bias in the moderating but there is a difference between, for example, you calling Jaysay a plonker and a new member doing the same. You know him personally so you know he is :D, the new member would just be being rude.

I know jaysay as well, but I've never called him a plonker, are you saying as I do, I have to?

Retlaw 07-05-2012 14:12

Re: Are registered members frightening?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davemac (Post 990266)
I know jaysay as well, but I've never called him a plonker, are you saying as I do, I have to?

He's been called worse names than that, but only by those who actually know him, and are stood in front of him.
Jaysay your a right doodah. :tongueout

Retlaw


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