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staggeringman 18-05-2005 17:51

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listening to the radio on the way to....bl...bll...blac.....blackp,,, the cesspit,the news came on and i just could not take it in,a copper in an unmarked car doing 159mph on public roads has been let off because the judge said he needed to practise!The judge said that because he was trained in driving high performance vehicles,the police man had to find out what the vehicle could do, but come on not on a public highway,there must be a training centre for this sort of thing.

lindsay ormerod 18-05-2005 18:17

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Makes you wonder what kind of justice would have been meted out if he had hit a mother and a pram or an ambulance............or a bus stop full of kids.:confused:

vorlon24 18-05-2005 19:12

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He was also doing 84 in a 30.

If we'd been doing that we'd probably have been banned by now.

cashman 18-05-2005 19:18

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Originally Posted by staggeringman
listening to the radio on the way to....bl...bll...blac.....blackp,,, the cesspit,the news came on and i just could not take it in,a copper in an unmarked car doing 159mph on public roads has been let off because the judge said he needed to practise!The judge said that because he was trained in driving high performance vehicles,the police man had to find out what the vehicle could do, but come on not on a public highway,there must be a training centre for this sort of thing.

not really surprised its only a couple of years ago a district nurse working got done for doing 34 miles an hour,youve hit the nail on the head vorlon.(a law above themselves.)

g78 18-05-2005 19:20

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One rule for one, and another for the rest of us.

Sparkologist 18-05-2005 19:24

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How are we expected to respect the judiciary and the law, when they behave like it's a Boys Own private club? How does the policeman feel that collared the miscreant driving in lead boots? I bet he feels that he is pi$$ing in the wind! :mad:

Starting with the statement, "Respect is earned, not bestowed", I fail to see how members of the public can take the law seriously.

Sparkologist 18-05-2005 19:28

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What kind of motor car was the speeding officer driving at the time of the offence? It must be a highly souped up, expensive motor.
As a taxpayer, I would be interested to know that my hard-earned being reaped from my pocket is being put to better use than providing toys for boys!

lindsay ormerod 18-05-2005 19:35

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It sounds like the easiest get out since OJ Simpson! The Police have skid pans and all sorts of tracks for them to practise on.This sets a very bad example as far as I can see.:mad:

g78 18-05-2005 19:40

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Another fly-boy racer who got caught doing something he shouldn't have been and decided to try that excuse. Fortunately for him it worked, gotta love British Justice. :rolleyes:

grannyclaret 18-05-2005 19:55

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:swear8: their motto


DO AS I SAY NOT WHAT I DO

entwisi 18-05-2005 20:02

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160 isn't that fast for a lot of cars now. the majority of 'warm' BMWs Mercs etc are limited to 155 electronically. I reckon even a Mondeo ST220 can probably get close(quick check, yep, 152mph).

janet 18-05-2005 20:24

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Would someone please tell me what is the point of making cars that are capable of driving at high speeds when you cannot legally drive over 70 mph.

vorlon24 18-05-2005 22:22

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Because you can on some autobahns, and no one takes the speed limits on the autoroutes very seriously either, especially in the more southerly regions (apparently), or is that just motorbikes?

big al 18-05-2005 22:45

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Performance is not just for getting a car to 70mph Janet, you show me a road that all travel at the regulated speed limit-apart from the 20-30 feet past a speed camera! Acceleration can also get you out of trouble iewhen a pratt is coming at you on the wrong side of the road & you have to put your foot down to make a safe exit for yourself. Trouble with this countrys driving laws are that gthey are archaic, the braking distances on the Highway code were written in the 1930's & despite the technical advances as ABS, traction control, modern tyres etc have never been revised. Well known fact is that the faster you go the less effective the two second rule is too, It is useless past speeds of 50 mph. Given the volume of traffic on todays roads & some of the morons who have been sanctioned licences, (Peruse them in action around 8.30 am to 9.15 & 4.30 to 6.00pm) I pity new drivers having to learn amidst the chaos on the roads today. By the way thank goodness the proposed law on banning radar detectors has effectively been scrapped by the recent election & will probably never be raised again. Pity the Transport minister didn't look at the statistics that motorists with the device are 25% safer on the road & less likely to have an accident. Join the club & stop the governmnent money making machines lightening your pocket!

staggeringman 19-05-2005 00:50

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they are on about raising the speed limit to 80mph on motorways, where was this geezer doing double that?

scooby12 19-05-2005 03:48

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according to the news he was driving a slightly tweeked up vauxhall vectra,all singing all dancing by the sounds of it.if he was to do an emergency stop at the said 159mph it would still take him quater of a mile to stop.
i dont care how bloody good a driver he was.i would have thought there would be a training track for them to practice on.i have seen a certain police force practicing at salmesbury and regulary get overtaken by them on A59.
the judge said he was the creme de la creme of driving.would the judge say that if his child had been hit at 84 mph.

ONE RULE FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ANOTHER:( :s_whizz: :swear8:

yerself 19-05-2005 04:43

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The fact that he was highly trained is irrelevant, surely no police officer needs to drive at 160mph. In a pursuit situation I thought they deployed a helicopter to track the suspect vehicle(s) and the highly trained, creme de la creme drivers were merely used to intercept the offenders. In which case why do police traffic officers need to be trained to drive at such speeds on public highways?

vorlon24 19-05-2005 08:35

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The thing I don't understand is, why did he put the car camera on when he was doing this?

entwisi 19-05-2005 11:35

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So we shouldn't have done him for 159, we should have done him for being thick! ;)

lazeeboy 19-05-2005 11:54

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Surely he had the camera on to watch the video later. He had it on because, as he says, he thought he was doing nothing wrong. Many people, on the other hand think differently to this. In this country we have been brainwashed, "Speed Kills" we are told.
The truth is that in Germany, where I have driven quite a lot of Kilometers. If you pass a Police Car whilst you are doing 100mph (l60kph) they do not bat an eyelid.

The thought over there is that it is not speed that kills, but rather driving too fast or inapropriately is the reason for most accidents. Bad Driving.

Like all rules, for instance it is often inappropriate to drive at 30mph in the town where pedestrians are feet away from HGV's travelling 44 feet per second.

Also how can one evaluate a sign that says on a bend max. 40mph. Does that mean to a 40 tonne Juggernaut or to a Modern sports car correctly maintained with a competent driver.

lazeeboy 19-05-2005 12:17

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Originally Posted by vorlon24
Because you can on some autobahns, and no one takes the speed limits on the autoroutes very seriously either, especially in the more southerly regions (apparently), or is that just motorbikes?


That is true, there are many road which are not speed limited. However many are and these speed limits are patrolled just as rigorously there in Germany, as in this country.

On the plus side many people who, unlike us in this country, do learn to drive at much higher speeds.

There are many differences; for instance you learn to drive at a Driving School, not sat next to your mother who has no control of the car if you make a mistake.

There are also driving lessons on the Morotways (Autobahns) which seems to teach people not to drive in the centre lane, or in the fast (overtaking) lane and sit there with no regard to any other road user.

The way people behave in cars reflects the attitude of people today, you would not see such rude behaviour anywhere else. Or would you?

In general Iwould say that in my opinion the standard of driving is much better over there.

MUMMIBOO 19-05-2005 12:19

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[QUOTE=big al]Acceleration can also get you out of trouble iewhen a pratt is coming at you on the wrong side of the road & you have to put your foot down to make a safe exit for yourself.

Sorry Big Al but this is not always the case, as some nurse on her way to work at 6.30 pulled out of a stop sign without waiting she then saw us comming down the road and instead of waiting where she was, she must of thought if i go fast enough i would get to the other side (not the case). If she had stopped we could have gone around her but she didnt she went for it and in which case we went straight into the side of her. Not a pretty sight i can tell you both cars written off!!

So you see brains should be used instead of acceleration.

cashman 19-05-2005 12:25

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[QUOTE=MUMMIBOO]
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Originally Posted by big al
Acceleration can also get you out of trouble iewhen a pratt is coming at you on the wrong side of the road & you have to put your foot down to make a safe exit for yourself.

Sorry Big Al but this is not always the case, as some nurse on her way to work at 6.30 pulled out of a stop sign without waiting she then saw us comming down the road and instead of waiting where she was, she must of thought if i go fast enough i would get to the other side (not the case). If she had stopped we could have gone around her but she didnt she went for it and in which case we went straight into the side of her. Not a pretty sight i can tell you both cars written off!!

So you see brains should be used instead of acceleration.

agree about the brains,but youv'e got to have them in the first place.

MUMMIBOO 19-05-2005 12:27

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Hey you got a point there cashman!!

Debbie J 19-05-2005 13:19

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It's down right ridiculous as has already been said if it was anyone else they would be banned by now. As for idiots on the road there are far too many, anyone wanting examples, take a trip on any road especially motorways in rush hour. I haven't enough fingers & toes to count the number of times we have almost been written off between here and the trafford centre on wednesdays & fridays around 6pm

vorlon24 19-05-2005 15:26

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I have to say that the drivers in and around Manchester are nutcases.

We went up there a few years ago for a wedding, and I couldn't believe quite how bad the driving is up there.

Apologies to people up there who drive carefully, but it is a little tamer down south (with the possible exception of London, of course!)

pendy 19-05-2005 16:43

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The law states that if you are clocked at driving at over 100 mph it is an AUTOMATIC ban. How long the ban is for is left to the discretion of the Judge. I saw the photographs. This guy was driving amongst lanes of other traffic. There was little or nothing he could have done to avoid an accident if someone else made the slightest mistake, however good a driver he is. As for being the creme de la creme of driving, anyone who drives at that speed on a public road is a crap driver, whatever his or her "skills" are supposed to be.

The Institute of Advanced Motorists states "The only true test of skill is safety". The only reason this lunatic didn't kill himself and several others is pure luck. Skill had little or nothing to do with it. Perhaps if I ever get a speeding ticket, I can claim that I am an advanced motorist, and therefore the rules do not apply to me. What do you think my chances are of getting away with it?

lettie 19-05-2005 17:43

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I also heard this on the radio and listened with utter disbelief. Not disbelief about the motorway speed but shock at the 84mph in a 30 zone. This officer, no matter how skilled he claims to be, obviously has little or no regard for human life, as any area classed as a 30mph zone is obviously a built up urban area. The police have areas where cars of this calibre can be tested and drivers put through their paces.

Having a bit of power and acceleration potential in a car can get a driver out of trouble but only if the driver knows how to correctly use that facility. If you speed up to avoid an accident a sensible person would slow down once the coast was clear. It is speed in inappropriate places which kills. The law in this country really is an ass, this officer should have been banned....:mad:

staggeringman 20-05-2005 00:12

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Originally Posted by lettie
I also heard this on the radio and listened with utter disbelief. Not disbelief about the motorway speed but shock at the 84mph in a 30 zone. This officer, no matter how skilled he claims to be, obviously has little or no regard for human life, as any area classed as a 30mph zone is obviously a built up urban area. The police have areas where cars of this calibre can be tested and drivers put through their paces.

Having a bit of power and acceleration potential in a car can get a driver out of trouble but only if the driver knows how to correctly use that facility. If you speed up to avoid an accident a sensible person would slow down once the coast was clear. It is speed in inappropriate places which kills. The law in this country really is an ass, this officer should have been banned....:mad:

isnt this country an ass to begin with lettie,in a couple of years we will be applying for aid because we have sold ourselves down the river!

Bazf 20-05-2005 02:30

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Brian, 52, of Birmingham, called the PC Milton case a “joke”. And he said: “The idea this man can commit these speeds and walk free is unbelievable. There is one rule for us and one for the police.”

When has it been any different? As long as I can remember its always been the same, I've been drinking with cops who couldn't walk but who drove home and never got a ticket, been in pubs with lock ins if a cop was with us no problems, my Dads best mate was a detective in Burnley and if I got in to any trouble in Burnley just had to mention his name and everything was cool. All of a sudden its a shock! Police, MP's, priests, Millionaires they all walk away scott free.

Mik Dickinson 20-05-2005 16:43

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Well i disagree totally.Speed limits on Motorways should be lifted.We had one in Germany.A Ferrari driver was being followed by the police on the autobahn.The arresting officer was asked how fast the defendant was going.The ploiceman said about 220 kmh.The defendents Solicitor asked how fast the police car could go.Reply was 180 kmh.There fore the police could not prove what speed the Ferrari was going so he got off.

Driller 21-05-2005 10:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by staggeringman
listening to the radio on the way to....bl...bll...blac.....blackp,,, the cesspit,the news came on and i just could not take it in,a copper in an unmarked car doing 159mph on public roads has been let off because the judge said he needed to practise!The judge said that because he was trained in driving high performance vehicles,the police man had to find out what the vehicle could do, but come on not on a public highway,there must be a training centre for this sort of thing.

Was he chasing a fox?


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