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this last few weeks theirs been a big focus on trouble on the streets i.e.youngstersi have come to the conclusion that the main factor in this lack of respect,discipline,is mainly down to boredom! i remember 6 cinemas in town, 4 night coffee bars in the bridge cafe the girls used to have a bop(sit in all night with a couple of drinks)all had good jukeboxes,their was also numerous church youth clubs(table tennis etc) there was always somewhere to GO, whilst not excusing moronic behavior where can kids go nowadays? mcdonalds or the pub,dosen't seem to be anywhere else,no wonder they get bored,i'd hate to be young today,thats not just accy its everywhere.and by the way i'm not a soft touch by any stretch of the imagination,but we certainly had NO NEED to hang around the street corners what do you think?

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even if you provide things for these kids to do they dont want any part of it

the simple reason for their behaviour is that they are scum

no matter how bored you are basic human decency should prevent you from vandalising nurserys by showering glass where the children play , mugging or picking fights with older people who happen to walk by at the wrong time , scratching and various other damage to cars

one example i can give is milnshaw park

where the tennis courts once were the council got together a number of kids from the area to work with to decide what they wanted

they came up with the idea of a skateboard park but lost interest within a few weeks so it never happened

the kids were supposed to help desighn it as they would like to see it as they were the ones going to be using it

i am 34 and when i was a kid there were no council funded ideas like this and we didnt go to the pictures etc that much

i know it sounds old but we made our own entertainment either by riding around on our bikes,playing kerby , football in the park or on moorhead fields , hangiong out at each others houses playing darts and other stuff

hell we did lots of things as teeneagers besides girls :D and none of it involved smashing windows or mugging people

the problem is that kids today have too much time on their hands as their parents want them out of the house for as long as possible so they dont have to bother looking after them and thats why you see 13 year olds out on the streets at 11pm onwards

what you have to remember is that the majority of kids do stay out of trouble and hang out at friends or find things to do

the kids on the street corners drinking booze and causing trouble are the ones that you are going to see on trisha in 5 years time wondering who is that father of whos baby that is born with a drug or alchol addiction

one more thing lol

we have a cinema and a bowling alley right next to each other and all these kids can find to do is buy drugs and drink alchol in their carparks yet there are plenty of decent kids using the cinema and bowling alley

its not that theres nothing to do its the fact these kids choose to hang around the streets and drink booze coz it makes them well cool :cool:

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Panic on streets of ACCY

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I have to say that I agree with Chav.
When I was growing up we didn't have a TV.........we didn't have money to go to the pictures except on an odd accasion.
We were taught that whatever we did, there would be consequences.......if you didn't want a good hiding then you didn't get into trouble.
The local bobby walked the beat.......he knew you and he knew your parents......if he took you home for something like throwing stones or other mischief......it was guaranteed you would get a thrashing from your parents........and you would be made to do the chores you hated for months.

We made our own entertainment.......we played street games, fivestones, skipping, tag, hide and seek etc......we were often still playing these games at 14........we were healthier kids too.
Maybe the streets were safer when I grew up.......but wouldn't they be safer if we got rid of the disrespectful yobs with their bad language and their loutish behaviour?

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I also agree with Chav, though not all kids hanging on street corners are bad, I think children and teenagers lack imagination these days due to computer games etc, they always seem to have to rely on being entertained instead of making their own entertainment.

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i was aiming my comments mainly at the kids who sit on street corners in gangs of upto 20 drinking beer and smashing the bottles after they have finished the damaging other peoples property etc

i agree not all kids who hang on street corners are up to no good but the majority of them are

all i can say is that when my kids reach there teens and i see them dossing on the street they will be told to come in until they can find somthing to do besides hand around street corners

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I seem to recall that places such as the New Era on Paradise Street were specially created to keep the kids off the streets.
These Lottery funded centres were the future!
What happened?

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As a teenager myself i have to say i actually agree with you yes i know im not a perfect angel and have let my mum and dad down loads but i have started to see sense i dont go round breaking windows and vandalising things but i have drunk on the streets and i most deffinately regret it now i have never taken drugs and dont intend too.

They have built the cinema and bowling alley for entertainment for something to do but for 15+ its something like 5 pound to go to the cinema then you've got popcorn which is like 2.50 i mean 10pound for a friday nite to go to the cinema not every kid gets that much money they all go round drinking because its cheaper. And if community wardens did there jobs properly you wouldnt have teens drinkin on streets or out after 11 i hardly ever see them round were i live and when i do they go to the community centre for a bru.

They opened the anvangelical church i think thats how you spell it near us as a youth club and almost everyone went but the boiler melted or something so they shut it down and havent done anything since.

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Actually in the defence of the wardens, my 8 and 6 year old went to the fair at bullough park yesterday.
The children went upto the wardens that were giving free things away. The wardens asked the children if they would be interested in helping 1 day a week for one hour going around our area cleaning litter and general things like that, my children thought this was fantastic and couldn't wait to sign up with them. The wardens also pointed out that if any of the children had been in trouble with the poilce then they would NOT be allowed to sign up with them. In return the children get a free day at BLACPOOL ZOO, PLEASURE BEACH ect....
I do think they are trying there best and yes they are not always around but, when they are I have always found them to be very approachable, polite and will always stop to talk to the kids in the area. So I do think they are doing the best job they can.

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I agree with you there Slinky;the wardens we have do a great job,it's a shame that they are so thinly spread. If the council had any sense we would have more and not less!

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Yes I agree, I think they are the ONE good thing the council did but like you said Too few of them.

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I would still prefer to see more police on the streets than more wardens.

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police on the streets always used to be the way,still should be the way.not decrying the wardens who do a good job,but it seems to me its just cutting costs as opposed to policemen.

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crime gets higher but ammounts of police gets fewer

it has been this way no matter who has been in power

i am begining to wonder how long it will be before people say enough is enough and groups of vigilanties set up

if the police issue isnt sorted i can honestly see it happening where people will start taking the law into their own hands

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The Wardens do a marvellous job,the fact that their numbers have been halved is a scandal.As I have said before they are the eyes and ears of the police authority,they are seen by the public to be more visible and approachable than the often car borne officers.
The fact is we should have had more not less of these men and women on the streets;they can have as many brews as they want....they do the job!

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Having read the posts on this thread I have to agree that "kids" will go for the cheaper option. I.E drink on the streets instead of flics. But there is no excuse for vandalism or bad manners. My 7yr old has been bullied mercilessly because I have brought him up to say please & thank you. when other kids hear him being praised for it instead of copying him they call him names. Am I wrong to instill manners? Today I heard a young boy of about 10 ask a man in the park if his dog would bite, the man replied yes, so the lad kicked a stone at the dog and hurled abuse at the man!!! Is there really any need for this sort of behaviour? I think not. My 7 yr old has come out with all kinds of bad language but after I have explained what the words mean & why its wrong to say them he hasn't repeated them(not in my hearing anyway) why can't other parents do the same? the world would be a much nicer friendlier place then.

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Debbie J;I agree, a lot of this is to do with the upbringing of the children;my 9 year old doesn't swear ,if she repeats anything she has heard on the street she gets corrected: I simply tell her that that language is not acceptable and that only people with a limited vocabulary use it. She understands that.I will not tolerate her being rude;just as my parents didn't tolerate it with me.I think we have skipped a generation and the chavs have got in!!:(

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debbiej and lindsey,lovely to see how you teach your kids,a refreshing change to some of the clowns i come across

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the wardens do an excellent job there isnt many left now but nobody seems to care.there are 3 left all the rest have had to get new jobs which is unfare because they put effort into it!we miss them already have you seen the state of the streets now im sorry but britcliffe u have made a big mistake.ok we have pcsos but thet dont report flytips and abandoend cars bring back the wardens

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not being funny wellbeing! but i would say nobody cares that can DO owt about things,is more to the point.:)

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I'm a teenager. I swear, but not infront of those who it offends, ie I won't go f'ing and blinding infront of an 80 year woman or near young children, but with my friends and other people my age, they are not offended by it and therefore I see no problem with it. Does anyone have a problem with this ?

I hang around on the streets with friends. There is nowhere else to go. I get 10 quid a week, I go out every night, we simply cannot go to the cinema and bowling all the time. Even if we only went say every friday, the cinema would cost almost 10 quid, that would be my money for the week gone. A cheap bottle of vodka costs 4 quid, split between 4 people is 1 quid each, a bit cheaper I'd say. I myself am not a regular drinker, basically because if I got caught I would be punished, very strictly.I have two options what I can do:either hang around on the streets or stay inside. Some people say play football, fine and then what do we do after 6.30 when it goes dark ? If we head towards town or parks the police ask us to move on, if we go onto the streets of residential areas, the residents complain. We cannot win.

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When I was young we didn't have any money......we could go to the pictures maybe once a week. We used to go to the local youth club.....yeah it was run by the church.....but you were welcome whether you attended the church or not......we used to play records and dance and we got a cup of tea or a soft drink and biscuits for 2d. During the lighter nights we would go up to Bullough park and play on the swings and the roundabouts......yeah, I suppose you are saying that is kids stuff......but we were still kids at 14 and 15. We would ride bikes, make bogey carts and such......I don't remember there being much malicious behaviour......and we certainly didn't intimidate people who were out on the streets. Recently I was in Padiham......I was waiting for a lift.....my mother was with me in her wheelchair.....a gang of youths, the eldest of which could only have been maybe 14 were circling round us and making us feel very uncomfortable.....they were swearing and making derogatory comments. This was at 7 pm in the evening. If that is how these young people get their 'fun' then I think it is a poor show. I am not saying that you are like this Samf......but there are an awful lot of youngsters out on the streets who are.

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I do agree that there should be more effort made to provide free stuff for kids, but then would samf use it cos you cant drink vodka in a youth club.
tHere, here are those that just hang out on the street or at the back of flats in warm porches and just chat and drink, but then as chav said there are those that will cause trouble for entertainment and would never be interested no matter what.
The other problem with starting projects such as estate youthg clubsis that after a year the kids get bored with it, it becomes uncool, unused and closes due to lack of funding, because the council wont fund a youth club noone attends. I've seen this happen in coventry.

We've tried youth shelters on the parks here to try to get youths off the street corners and they do work to a certain extent in the summer mainly. they work because they can still smoke and drink, theres very little adult interferance like a youth club has. The only thing they moan about is the sides aren't blocked in, it just has railings so its windy and wet, whereas our porch is blocked on three sides, has a light and is heated.
think our days of fun are long gone MP and chav, no imagination now days or it's just not cool enough.

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If there is an answer to this then let me know. I cant go to the shop at weekends without being accosted by kids wanting drink and fags boughy for them. I told one lot of girls that I did not buy drink and fags for kids and was asailed with large amounts of blue language and they let rip that they are not kids at 14. Couldnt get it into their Vodka rotted brains that under they law they are until 18. They are nothing but a pain when sober and a terror with a gill of voddie in em no wonder the streets aint safe (prog C4 during the week showed how bad some are male and female).

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what program was that?
don't think there's anything we can do now without getting tuff, the damage has been done over the past ten years, you can't undo whats been done.
and we all know we're not alowed to get tough, well not officially anyway. you could always try getting each on there own and discussing with them where thay're going wrong, I've known people who get hassle of gangs do that and it's worked. They're not so gobby when not in a group, when they realise they can't be in a group 24/7 they learn to shut up.

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A few towns up here have the police breaking groups of teens up and dispersing them to avoid trouble. If they do not comply they are given fixed penelty notices or if drunk taken home. Its amazing how quick they learn to behave and avoid the booze.

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by the sound of it you have a lot more trouble up there, this is only a small town, we've only got one or two groups of yobs. the rest are in the pubs and club.
Whats this warden thing about

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To be a sober 14 year old up here is in some places classed as uncool. There is I am sad to say a serious drinking problem up here especially amongst the kids and not just the city housing estate ones. They are on about the community wardens
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...183#post244183

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They do not do the job???? as mel 3ft said they do drink brews! in my opinion they sit on their arse all the time instead of walking the streets and doing their job, this time last year i was looking after a house for a few month and every day the same time the wardens would drive past the house at a certain time and park up outside the community centre and not move from there till they had finished about tea time, i got curious as to what they would be doing and often had a walk up to be nosy, every time i went they were sat there doing cross words and drinking cups of tea and eating biscuits, fair enough if they were on a dinner break but they were on a break all the time? This to me is not doing there job??