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The BBC have been advised not to refer to the bombs in London as "terrorist activity" as the word "terrorist" implies that they think some nasty character with evil intent did it and the BBC has to be seen to be impartial.

Oh dear let's not upset the bomb placing gentlemen (er persons)

(Sorry I was being overtly sarcastic there.)

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Don't be sorry Willow. Your entitled to have your opinion and despite the best efforts of a few we still have the right to free speech and self expression. If this is true then they should be chastised for there stupidity. If however, if they, “the BBC” we the British People and the British Government decide not to honour these animals by calling them Terrorist and therefore Justifying their belief in their own existence. These people are murders, my opinion is that we should call them murders, as well as prosecute and condemn them as murders.

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if we don't call them terrorists may i suggest ( sadly misguided people). i wonder what this does to the poor souls affected by this atrocity. as i have never been P.C. MURDERING TERRORIST SCUM will do for me.

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I believe they will be prosecuted as murderers if they are caught and there seems to be something interesting going on in Yorkshire right now with the investigation.

However, I was more than a teensy bit irritated that the BBC should have branded the word "terrorist" as "inflamatory". What on earth does a word matter in comparison to the actions of these people?

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I think I prefer the term Murdering Cowards........

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They claim not to be cowards as some are prepared to lose thier own lives a suicide bombers.

What on earth goes through the head of someone like that?

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Mrs Willow, Congratulations on achieving your 5000th post. I haven’t yet seen this bit of news, but if what you are saying is true, that they “have branded the word "terrorist" as "inflammatory" then all I can say is god help us. That’s fair enough Cashman, in this instance one can only agree with you.

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The BBC should change its name to the Blair Broadcasting Company....it treats us.... the paying punters like idiots.
I don't care what the BBC want to call them, I'm sure that in the minds of the majority of right minded people in this country, their name will be SCUM........changing how we address this murderous group doesn't alter the facts that they stole the lives of innocents...including some of their own race and supposed creed.

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omigosh! 5,000+? Do I really waffle THAT much?

Anyone with a Daily Mail check page 6 . Can't find the story online. Apparntly they used the word "terrorist" in early reports but then dropped it after being told to but nothing was written down. PC brigade afraid to commit to paper? If you haven't got the courage of your convictions BBC executives you should leave well alone.

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Willow....... if they haven't got the courage to report openly then they should get out of the high paying job and let someone else do it. I am fed up with the government and the media pussyfooting around these slimeballs.......I didn't notice any pussyfooting around when these same reporters were asking the victims of the atrocity how they felt after being blown to Kingdom come...or for that matter when they were filming and reporting on the incident. Or is it jus me being a tad cynical.......? Must get myself some more treatment for it.

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Isn't someone who wages war out of uniform claased as a spy? CAn someone confirm we still have the death penalty for treason and spying, I seem to remember it still be on statute?

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When I saw the footage the news reporters got immediately after the explosions - I couldn't help wondering how they had the balls to film the chaos without actually helping the victims in any way they could. Surely, any normal human being would choose to help & then think about reporting the story?

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well that just shows how stupid the advisors are
if people do something nasty then that is what gives them a nasty name
so never mind the bbc they are just as stupid to listen

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The word "terrorist" was coined to describe someone who commits acts deliberately designed to evoke terror in the minds of normal people. In that sense, this is what these people are. They are also mass murderers. The BBC are so mealy-mouthed (God forbid we should upset anyone except those who have lost family and friends in this and other atrocities) that they shy away from the correct usage of some words.

As for "inflammatory" I think it is extremely inflammatory to cause the deaths of over 50 innocent people, and horrific injury to hundreds. Or is that not PC?

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So how come the BBC are talking about the "London terrorist attacks" on tonight's news?

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can we call them CU*TS

i have been using that one a while now and i find it desribes them pretty well

describes the terrorists pretty well as well i think

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There was a two page spread today in the newspaper about the mindset of a suicide bomber.........so if a journalist can find a suicide bomber to interview.......how come the intelligence services in this country can't find him and do whatever is necessary to ensure that he doesn't get a chance to become a martyr....?

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be serious they cant even find binladen who needs to be hooked upto a dyalasis machine every day to clean his blood

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Common Sense 1 PC Stupidity 0!

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the death penalty is still there for anybody being found guilty of high treason. but think they have to be British Nationals to be charged with high treason.

errrrrrrrrrr suicde bomber still living?????????????? maybe the bomb didnt go off

sorry just had to point that out if you know what i mean

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That's a suicide bomber who hasn't yet been called to the line of duty. :p


I wonder if the nationality of the interviewer had anythng to do with his being able to get the story?

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Saw a newspaper interview the other day with a woman whose bomb didn't go off, not for want of trying, of course, in yet another attack on the Israeli public. She had apparently had her face and body burned in an accident some years earlier, and was therefore not marriageable - the mindset of some people is truly beyond belief - so felt that she might as well become a suicide bomber.

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The following article in today's paper may be of interest:


Are you ready? Tomorrow you will be in Paradise . . .
Nasra Hassan
What motivates a suicide bomber? Our correspondent talks to a young Muslim who survived his intended 'martyrdom' and describes the terrorists' rigorous training
http://images.thetimes.co.uk/images/trans.gifAT DAWN, when the three men heard the morning call to prayer from a mosque in the village below their hideout in the hills, they knelt and uttered the traditional invocation to Allah that Muslim warriors make before setting off for combat. They put on clean clothes, tucked the Koran into their pockets, and began the long hike over the hills and along dry riverbeds to the outskirts of Jerusalem
The full artcle is here:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...692606,00.html

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I read or thought l did, that suicide bombers/terrorists/martyrs, having completed a suicide mission in the name of Allah, are promised all kinds of pleasures in the next life, including sex with virgins.

I'm not making this up, but it wasn't mentioned in the article yerself posted. Can anyone confirm this as true? I can't remember where I read it, but it was a British national newspaper.

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Terroist, the name is fine by me.
Incidentally is it me or are the number of Muslim family's (both victims and bombers) being interviewed on TV,somewhat out of whack with the number of Muslim/non Muslim fatalities.
Are we being indoctrinated or are the media under orders to preserve the tolerance we historically show other religions in this country?

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Follow the link and read the full article and you will find mentioned:

"and he will have at his disposal 72 houris, the beautiful virgins of Paradise"

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Thanks yerself. Speed reading was not such as good idea on such an interesting and informative link.

Incidentally houris, l just looked up are beautiful young women of the Muslim paradise, the word coming from the Arabic for gazelle like.

[72? The mind bogles.]

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I'm glad you pointed out Willow, that this was a potential suicide bomber......apparently if you want to be a suicide bomber your name goes onto some kind of waiting list.......some suicide bombers are only notified of their target a couple of hours before the event.

They believe they will go straight to the side of Allah,(PBUH) in the gardens of paradise, will have 72 houris and be fed on sweet fruits.... so it is OK for them, but what about the poor families left behind.......one of the relatives of the lad from the Leeds Chippy says that they will have no future in the area now...... and will have to leave.

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It must be awful for the families.

Where does this idea of the 72 houris come from? Is it in the Koran or has someone come up with it to persuade impressionable young men to do their dirty work for them?

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Yeah, any ideas where the 72 comes from?

Is 365 divisible by 72?

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I THINK it is in the Koran....but maybe Mani could tell us.
The parents of these boys must be feeling awful.......and there are two wives who have one child each and are expecting babies who will have no father. The parents and the wives knew nothing of their loved ones intent. I think they were really selfish and misguided.

On another note......a Muslim cleric who has been preaching death and destruction in America has been jailed for life......it is time that our government got tough with these so called religious leaders.... though personally I think they ought to be hanged.....for treason.

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I not sure that these people acted as suicide bombers. I think they expected to return home to the family’s they left that day. They didn’t plan all this on their own, someone masterminded this and intentionally sent these lads out to plant the explosives knowing that they where going to be murdered them for the cause. I think the bombs where rigged to a time signal or a mobile phone signal so giving the impression that the same level of extremist fundamentalism exist in the UK or at least to make sure they didn’t lead the authorities back with them. I think the murders where themselves murdered.

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If that is the case Doug, why didn't the bomb go off before the guy got to the number 30 bus......if they had been detonated by a mobile phone signal to all go off together then the guy would not have made it to the bus.
The police must have very good evidence to suggest that they were suicide bombers......although one thing that puzzles me is, if they were suicide bombers, you would have thought that their identities would not have been so easy to confirm...it appears that they were all carrying things which could identify them.

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That’s part of my point Margaret. No effort was made to conceal their Identity and there was an absence of any video claiming responsibility and the commitment of those about to carry out the bombings. I think the bus may have been the intended target and there was some time delay between some of the explosions perhaps the same time needed to dial a number. This is admittedly all conjecture, but there’s something not right here.

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Isn't it part of the point that they leave some identification so that people know who did it? Why else would they have had the ID on them? If you or I were going to London we wouldn't have ID papers on us would we?

If they were sacrificed by someone against their own wishes/knowledge then that makes the recruiters even more callous than previously imagined but I can have no sympathy for the bombers themselves in losing their own lives as they were quite prepared to take the lives of others and they didn't care who.

I agree with Margaret that it's about time our Government got tough too with those inciting hatred and violence and never mind the human rights bods.

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I had a similar thought on this Doug,if someone was a suicide bomber,therefore at the centre of the blast,surely credit cards etc. would have been shredded along with the Terrorist?

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That’s part of the point Willow, why leave such a clear trail for the authorities other than to deflect attention. It’s clear that these people expect to be martyred if they where caught. I believe that some had young children? But they don’t seem to have left any messages for them to see what daddy did for Islam. Its either all very armature which I doubt or it very contrived. I have no sympathy with those that seek to harm, maim or kill no matter what their individual role and when these people are caught justice should be swift and Permanente.

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I think they were identified from their credit cards......although there were pictures of birth certificates in the newspaper........I think that was just for journalistic effect.........I think that perhaps they couldn't leave any letters for their children as they might have been stopped from carrying out their intended action. I know if my hubby gave me a letter and said 'don't open this until midday tomorrow'.....my curiosity would get the better of me....and if I read something like that i would certainly contact the authorities...if only to save my hubby from himself. I think these guys who carried out the bombing had been severely indoctrinated and believed that what they were doing had its own reward.

In other countries suicide bombers are lauded and their families financial needs are undertaken by other muslims.......and maybe these men thought that the muslim community would look after their children and tell them that their daddy was a martyr......not a murderer.

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Murdering scum obviously have little thought for those left behind to cope with aftermath of their cowardly,selfish action.I admit to feeling sympathy for the parents of these young men who were so brainwashed into committing this terrible act.I have,however,far more sympathy for the families of the victims;my thoughts go out especially to Marie Hartley's young family and husband. No father should ever have to break news like that to his sons.

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You are right Lindsay......my thoughts are with Marie Hartleys family.........they have lost their most treasured mother......no words can come close to expressing the sadness felt by that family today.

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Sorry to dwell on the credit card issue,if they were true Muslims,do they not shun Usery(Bank loans etc.)
Surely a credit card is the biggest nod to our decadent Western ways why would they being so devout have them?
Double standards perhaps?

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That's an interesting point Lampman and has made me wonder about something else too. Isn't it supposed to be wrong to get something for nothing? Isn't that what the non-interest bearing bank accounts are all about? I remember when I worked in a bank and a devout muslim asked specifically if we had an account which didn't pay interest as his employer wanted to pay his wages directly into the bank.

In that case how come the hook handed hatred spouter accepts state benefits and freebies?

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I find it interesting that several people have picked up on the fact that what appear to be usual procedures do not appear to have been followed in this case. The Times article was quite clear that several wills may be made by a suicide bomber, including one made on video with the banner of the sponsoring group in the background. it is also usual for the families to recieve some sort of honorarium payment. Maybe the four who planted the London bombs were mislead into becoming suicide bombers.

However, this does not excuse their actions, it merely outlines the depth of their stupidity in even starker detail. If you play with fire, the old saying goes, you can expect to get burned.

The article explains further that another of the possible reasons why some of these half-wits decide on "martyrdom" as a career path is that once they are safely in paradise they are able to save 70 of their relatives from Hell. Why only 70? The almighty seems inordinately concerned with quota's. Or is it rather, as with the 72 houris, that this was the largest number that the vehicle for the transmission of this revelation could imagine?

In the coming weeks and months you will see the government, the media and the PC brigade go into overdrive in attempting to make multiculturalism and diversity acceptable to an appalled nation. In response to the increasing whinging that "nobody likes us or trusts us, oh it is a shame for us" They will chuck countless millions at the problem. The asian muslim minority will be raised to a level of importance and influence that far exceeds their numerical and economic significance and the eventual goal of Britain-istan will take several steps forward. The organisers of this atrocity must be patting themselves on the back for a job well-done!

And for the families of those who were murdered in last Thursdays outrage...? A handful of Books of Condolence, a Square in the capital where they can go and remember and two minutes silence.
Remind me again, who are the victims in all this?

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Has it not yet dawned on the PC Brigade that their very actions are creating more of a divide because they are causing resentment amongst the rest of the population?

No, probably not - or else they plan to take yet further action later when that happens.

Is there no-one who can spare us from these imbeciles?

As for the families of the victims it does seem to be adding insult to injury doesn't it?

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Again A-B you are spot on with your observations......in todays paper Sir Iqbal Sacranie was complaining of police 'insensitivity' towards the Asian community. This was because the police raided a Leeds youth centre that was thought to have been used by the bombers. (Might not they have been collecting evidence)..Sir Iqbal Sacranie who is the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain said of the police

'Not much of the support is coming through to us'........There has been hardly any communication with community leaders in the areas which have been raided.......and families of the so called bombers have been under intense pressure'

Is this man for real.......? I suppose he thinks that the people whose loved ones were blasted to eternity are finding life a picnic at present........and the people who are maimed and face many years of therapy and rehabilitation are having a ball too.

I may be wrong but, I think the Muslim community will close ranks and support the families of the young men who carried out these atrocities (allegedly) while the victims will find it difficult to claim anything other than state benefits. Insurance companies usually do not offer cover for terrorist activity.

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Oh and as to the use of credit cards.......it is hard to get through today without having some kind of credit/debit card......they may have been debit cards.......some current accounts accrue no interest.