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How does this happen? when are the airy fairy do gooders going to learn? Woops this may be negative, Lucky I posted it before the 18th.

Egyptian-born Tariq Ramadan has been banned from the US for endorsing terrorism. France has also barred him. An Islamic academic who says suicide bombings are justified will preach to young Muslims in London at a conference funded by British taxpayers, http://www.pressdisplay.com/affiliat...&A=18&Task=Get

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maybe he can persuade a few more english muslims to attack another city we are 4 short now afterall and the police obviously feel we need to replace them :mad:

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Makes you sick.

We are the world's doormat for every scrote to wipe their feet on. Our immigration policies,[do we have any?] are appalling.

I missed this story, where is the funding coming from?

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the police are funding some of it

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Before long there will be a revolution in the UK. Either that or we will actually start seeing westerners turning to terrorism and bombing places of religion of these people and other places associated with the people who our government seem so keen to protect.
People are becoming fed up of being victims. Our government seem happy to protect these people. Our government will soon need protecting from their own people if they are not carefull.

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your absolutely correct it is a kick in the teeth to the victims , their familys and basicly every person who is british

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yeah chavs with c4 and rocket launchers is a scary thought

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well for once i'm stuck for words=don't want banning from the site!

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You would be better off befriending a 9 mm and let the boys with the big guns lead the way….No disrespect, what the hell’s a chav?...

Cashman, get it said.

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Our poor border control is to blame for the number of illegal aliens in this country......and although the government tell us that they BELIEVE there are something like 570,000 illegals in the country.... they actually havent got a clue how many there may be......it could be double or even treble that number.

All these disaffected young muslims.......if they don't like what is happening in this country then they should perhaps leave and go to Saudi.....or Pakistan.....or Afghanistan........and if they are the holders of British passports...let them emigrate to where ever they feel they would be better treated.

And it is about time the government got rid of the clerics that are spouting hatred and inciting racial violence.......you can bet if it was a methodist or Cof E vicar doing all the saop-boxing, they would be locked up.

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just let me say that if any muslims who hold british passports by being born here or have got them through marrage or been granted citizenship and they want to go and "fight" the aggressors of Islam (i.e. our troops) then they sohuld have to hand in their BRITISH passport and lose citizenship, and all of the rights that is allowed (i.e. FREE treatment on NHS etc) of this country and not allowed to return unless they are willing to be tried for TREASON and NOT complaining IF found guilty and jailed for life or DEPORTED. Bring on the ID Cards and lets see if that will help make th UK a safe place to live, travel and work in.

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I have to say that this is the view of alot of people i know sad though it may sound.

It's not very nice when every time i see a muslim dressed with a beard and in all his praying gear on it makes me VERY nervous, its not nice and it should'nt have to be like that!

I dont class myself as racist but i do find it strange the way they are allowed to live as if they are still in their own country following their own ways of life but in our country Eg:

they build mosques here but we would never be allowed to build a church in their country and you see the signs now in shops to take off your helmet when coming Friend or Foe we dont know but yet the women can walk around in an outfit where you can only see their eyes? It just dont make sence.

If they want to live as if they were in there own country following their own rules in their tight nit communitys then they might as well go back on their own land and do it.

I know that all sounded a bit harsh but thats the way i feel at the moment i know its a minority that has caused the bombings but then you get type cast i cant look at any of them and know for sure they are not going to blow me up!!

I know there are good and bad amongst us all and i dont mean to be rude or offensive but its just when people are doing the evil things they are doing.

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Try to see it from a muslim point of view. Muslims are horrified that such atrocities can be conducted in the name of Islam. These suicide bombers are not the typical muslim. It's like seeing all white Christians as IRA bombers. Not all Christians are Catholics and not all Catholics are Irish and not all Irish Catholics are IRA bombers. It's the same with Muslims.

I may lose karma points for this but I feel for the families who are reeling in shock and horror to have learned that their son/husband/brother was behind one of the bombings. These people grew up in this country and for most of their lives appeared to "conform" more to the western way of life than their parents did/do.

These men spoke English with Yorkshire accents. They were born here. They went to school here. Somewhere along the lines they were misguided by extremists and ended up believing that dying in a suicide bomb was a noble thing to do.

I spoke to someone yesterday who said she was afraid to sit near a muslim on a train and I said I had just come up from town on a bus sitting next to a muslim guy who lives down the road and I don't see him any diffrently today than I did last week before the bombings. Her reply to that was "That's different. You are talking about someone you know." But these suicide bombers were "someone people knew". They were ordinary people, living very ordinary lives.

What I'm trying to say is that it isn't people who are "different". These guys were far less different than a non-English speaking robes wearing person who you may see as not fitting in with our way of life.

One of the great things about this country is our freedom which includes freedom of religion. It doesn't worry me that across the road from my church there is a mosque. We have a pretty good relationship with the mosque. When we've not been using our car park and they need extra parking space we have let them use it. Why not? Co-operation and understanding is what we need. We might need the extra parking spac ourselves one day and ask them for a loan of a bit of theirs.

I know I've grumbled about having to bend over backwards to please others but I don't think it's actually the immigrant population who make demands so much as the PC brigade who presume things. Like the idea that celebrating Christmas offends muslims. it doesn't offend any muslims I know. The local PO is owned by muslims and they have a lovely selection of Christmas cards at Christmas. I got some of my nicest ones fom there. They put decorations up and wish people "merry Christmas". We get Christmas cards from muslim friends.

Yesterday I attended a school leavers assembly at Springhill CP where my youngest daughter attends. (She leaves this year). The majority of pupils there are muslim. ALL the children, brown, white, pink and yellow stood proudly together to sing "We are the young" and it brought a lump to many throats and a tear to many eyes. I live in hope that the future will be safe in their hands and that we have taught them well enough to give them the strength to make it so.

I can see the objection some people have to the "severe" form of muslim dress where a woman is totally covered apart from her eyes and I can see where this may lead to fear and suspicion but I can also understand what it means to someone to have a deep religious conviction about a dress code. I'm LDS and we have a dress code, not as severe and not all members adhere to it (just as all muslim women don't wear the total outfit) but those who do and to whom it means a lot would rather suffer almost anything than compromise that. To others that may not make any sense at all but it helps me understand where those muslims are coming from even if I don't share their beliefs.

I hope that we can all grow stronger together and work together to eliminate this evil from our midst because we all suffer because of it.

I have just read in the paper an article by a muslim leader declaring that the bombers have sullied the name of Islam and that they have no right to claim it as their religion. He isn't the only one who feels that way. They have the same commandments which include "thou shalt not kill" It's amazing that throughout history people of Jewish, Christian and Islamic religions have found excuses to disobey that commandment and even convince themselves that they have God's blessing.

To quote Bob Dylan "I cannot think for you, you will have to decide, whether Judas Iscariot had God on HIS side"

Ooops, well there's my political speech for the day.

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i travel through customs 3 or 4 times a year and it is at least 2 years since there was anyone on duty when we came through,theres something wrong with a system that allows this to happen. i'm talking about the exits when you have collected your cases from the carosel,i have seen someone in the RED exit,but no-one in the green or blue,that makes me worry a bit,so i must agree with margaret about border controls being poor,this is slightly differant i know-but the scenario is the same.

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Willow I agree with everything you have put in your post and far from taking Karma I couldn't give some (karma that is!!) quick enough, well done!

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cowards that's why. Did they give a reason why if not a name??

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:D Well if you can call this a reason:

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Idiotic coward, go on take some of me now!!!! :mad:

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Hi folks and willow i agree with your sentiments entirly, i was at work (as now) and dont always have time to do full posts.

Am not sure what your on about with Karma points (not looked at site enough yet) but if i can give you any i would like to know how to give some to you.

Yes we have a diverse community both local and national and for most of the time we live and respect each others way of thinking and life and i hope that will continue, may workload is bad enough without having to deal with racial/regelious fallings out.

I feel sorry for the friends and families of these men who blew themselves up just as i feel sorry for the friends and families of the people who died through their actions. let us just hope that this is the last time anything like this happens (but i doubt it looking on news arson attacks on mosque somewhere).

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To the person who deducted karma points from me for this thread with the statement "all religion should be banned" I would like to say that I am sorry you feel that way but how pathetic to deduct karma points from me for post #18 in this thread and give that for the reason.

Earlier today Mez was telling me what a great bunch of people AccyWebbers are and how glad people are that they attend the "get togethers" when they do.

It would appear that not all AccyWebbers are such great people.

By all means choose not to follow any religion at all if you so wish but you have no right to demand the imposition of a religion ban on all humanity. Look what that has led to elsewhere.

I may not agree with some other people's religious views or way of life but I would defend their right to have those views and to live that way provided that by doing so it harms no-one.

BY all means choose not to follow any religion yourself but you have no right to demand a ban on all religion just because you don't believe in anything. I have no objection to you not wanting to believe in anything but I have very strong objections to your wish to ban my beliefs or those of anyone else.

As for you feeling that your viewpoint is justification for the deduction of karma points all I can say is that it's a pity you didn't post your opinion in the thread so that you could have had your karma adjusted accordingly by those who disagree with you.

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Must have missed this thread and just caught up with it, all I can add is when we had the two minutes silence at work last week a small group of muslims went out of their way to spoil the silence, they said it was their right to do so, would anyone of you like to defend that point of view to me.

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In that case they were showing disrespect to all who died, including a muslim woman.

There were also muslims who did share in the two minutes silence, and non-muslims who didn't.

The people who didn't show respect by joining in and who went out of their way to point out to others that they felt they had every right not to do so sadly are the type of people who will perpetuate divisions in the community.

As I said earlier I hope that we can all work together to build a future but there will always be people who just don't want to co-operate with others for whatever selfish or misguided reason. It saddens me that there are such people but it's even evident in a small community like AccyWeb.

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I don't know that ID cards wowuld work in these circumstances but deportation seems such an obvious option for anyone who is outspoken against this country and inciting others to acts of violence. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be aviable option because the European courts intervene and when this country has tried to deport someone we've been stopped because it interferes with their human rights! That's ludicrous.

I also think that it should be pointed out to anyone wishing to leave this country to visit a country which is known to encourage suicide bombers and train peopl to attack from within that by all means they may choose to go, just so long as they realise that once they've gone they will not be allowed to return here again - ever. Of course the European courts would only stick an unwelcome oar in there again but I think we need to be able to stand up for ourselves and protect ourselves.

It may seem a small drop in the ocean but it's where these things seem to start.

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Most of the families of the bombers in today's papers were saying they, the bombers must have been brainwashed.

Poppycock.


It must be hard for them loosing one of their own kith and kin, and knowing they also took so many innocent lives along with their own. One of their Uncle's is quoted as saying his nephew was a good lad, but because of oppression it was inevitable some young Muslims would fight back.


Poppycock.

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Well done Garinda you win

37 minutes the post something positive and nice day lasted :(

Oh well. maybe next year eh.

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Don't think its going to be a custom that catches on as the your comments arn't the nicest either.:)

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I was dissapointed that the idea only lasted 37 mins....Give me some slack :)

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What did you expect its Accy you can't go in to a pub or chippy with out hearing any one moaning, its part of growing up in the area if you went in with a smile on your face people would say whats wrong with you, what are you hiding? I called my Dad tonight first words out of his mouth "Bloody pub had no mild tonight", it one reason that the quickest, most sarcastic and funniest people you will meet will be from the North West.:)

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It is inevitable that some people will be afraid of all muslims after what has gone on, but the world is not a safe place. It is very hard to legislate against people who were brought up here and then go on and commit atrocities.
ID cards wouldn't work...and even Charles Clark admits that they would have been no use in this situation.
The services that support ID cards are ineffective(the card readers which translate the information on the card are currently only recognising 68% of holders)......you can bet that the criminal fraternity is already working on formats to clone ID cards AND super-impose their own fraudulent fingerprints and iris scans onto these cards. God forbid if someone stole your identity and super-imposed a set of someone elses biometric details onto the cloned card........you would end up stateless.....wandering forever without an identity.

ID cards are just another Big Brother attempt to impose more restrictions......oh , yeah and charge us for the privelege. I think I will be going to Jail.

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Willow, as always......you are the voice of reason and common sense (which sometimes doesn't seem so common) I tried to give you some Karma for your posts.....but I have to spread it around a bit first.........but I will keep you in mind when I can give some.

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Twisted Bakri, 45, pinned responsibility for the al-Qaeda Tube and bus bombings on voters who re-elected the Prime Minister last May. He said yesterday: “I blame the British government and I blame the British people. The British people did not make enough effort to stop its government committing atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan.”Syrian-born Bakri’s rant came as a newspaper found a taped message in which he called on followers to “sacrifice their lives” and turn Britain into an Islamic state. Bakri is protected by Human Rights laws. But Shadow defence minister Gerald Howarth said: “There is no way to get rid of him.”
Now the really good news...Bakri has raked in more than £275,000 in state handouts, claiming about £300-a-week income support. His rent is subsidised on his home in Edmonton, North London. Last night the cleric’s sidekick Anjem Choudary said suicide bombings were justified He said: “Nobody has yet pointed the finger at Tony Blair for his nasty policies in Iraq. If they continue the same foreign policy, we can expect more of the same.”
Under Europe’s Human Rights Convention ministers say they can’t deport Bakri to Syria unless officials there guarantee he won’t be killed.
His Actual rant.....
“I blame the British government and the British people. The Government has said, ‘You are with us or with terrorism’. I don’t think that is the way forward. The British people showed Tony Blair full support when they elected him again after he waged the latest Iraq war.”
“We’re going to incite people to do jihad (Holy War).”
He said: “We will conquer the White House. It will be no surprise that we will be in charge and Muslims will control the earth.”
He added: “Let your death occur in the battlefield. If you make yourself available to Jihad He will accept you as Shaheed (a martyr).”

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It was on the news, HEs NOT COMMING here