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Margaret Pilkington had a dodgy visa in Australia if you read her blog

So glad she wasn't shot, l do so enjoy reading her journal.;)

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you wouldnt mean the mon who won 18 million and worked at hapton blythes would you? the guy who used to run my mate from blackburn to the hapton site for the 2 years he was banned for drink driving and never took a penny off him. was probably a better bloke than a few i know.

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Yes it is a tragedy that an innocent man died. HOWEVER, before we all go overboard about this, let's consider a few facts -

1. He was of Latin American appearance, easily confused with Asian.
2. He lived in a block which was under surveillance as being the home/hideout of one of the previous day's bombers.
3. He was dressed totally inappropriately for the weather. On a hot day in London, who wears a bulky topcoat/anorak?
4. He was challenged to stop and did not do so. Instead he ran onto the Tube - exactly what a would-be suicide bomber would have done.

Can we also recognise the fact that police officers, armed or not, are simply ordinary people with some extra training. They don't want to be blown apart any more than we do. Where there is doubt, and that doubt involves the potential death/maiming of scores of innocent people, there is no real room for doubt - it is a luxury we cannot afford. The shoot to kill policy should be widely disseminated, so that would-be bombers are in no doubt that they may well achieve suicide, but they're going on their own.

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P.S. - Part 2 of last Thursday's thrilling episode. Could not get out of office to go to bank, so had to go at 6:10 dressed in long frock, done up to nines, jools, the lot. Got money - but no cabs free - lots of cabs, but all taken. SO - got on the 98 bus to Red Lion Square (allegedly). Packed bus, long frock, = funny looks. I did feel like announcing "I always dress like this on a Thursday", but refrained. Alleged 98 to R L Sq actually stopped well short of Tottenham Court Road - so had to schlep the rest of the way to Lincoln's Inn, on packed pavements, holding up long frock, muttering obscenities (just) under my breath. Finally arrived at L.I. at 7:20, puffing like a grampus, puce in the face, and CERTAINLY not looking soigne and calm! A glass of cold champagne has never been more welcome (but sadly I only had time for one before dinner was announced). Thanks a bunch, our little colonial cousins.

P.S. They most certainly did expect the bombs to go off - we can just be grateful they weren't too well up on their chemistry. One of them was reported to set off his would-be bomb standing next to a woman holding a baby. Nice guy, uh?

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He appears only to have been inocent of terrorism. He was certainly guilty of being in this country illegally, he was guilty of fare dodging and he was probably guilty of tax evaision. I notice that he had relatives with him here. I trust the relevant authorities are now in the process of checking on their entry status.

To put it quite simply, if this man had not been breaking the law by being here, he would be alive today.

...there's alot of sirens suddenly going off this end....

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There is something not quite 'kosher' about the shooting of this Brazilian guy........I cite all of the above.......he spoke and understood english very well according to his friends......Ok he had overstayed his visa, but you wouldn't evade the police for that would you.....?
His address was in one of the rucksack bombs that were recovered last week......he had been seen entering premises that were under surveillance by SO19 officers.......does this stink of fish to you......?

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he appeared to have terrorist connections from the early reports tea !

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This Brazilian guy was killed by terrorists as surely as if he'd been on the Bus on 7/7......his family should be trying to get the money from them......not the Met.


Stay safe Tealeaf........whatever is going on there!

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Lol Pendy.

Inappropriate dress? Hee hee. He should have worn a long frock and the family jewels instead of a padded jacket on a hot day!


PS. To the 'mate' that l'll see on Sunday, who deducted karma from this post 4 mins ago, Miss Marple ain't go nothing on me!!;)

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Before I start I'd just like to say l fully understand how hard a job the police are doing, though apparently from the weapons they were carrying, which aren't issued to the police, it looks like that some of them were solidiers, wearing plain clothes but police baseball caps.

According to yesterday's Sunday Times-

Fact- According to the police he was shot because of his 'clothing and behaviour'.

Fact- He was wearing a denim jacket, not a padded 'bomber' jacket as first reported. The temperature was 17 degrees, hardly unsuitable.

Fact- He didn't vault the ticket barrier, he used his travel pass to open the gate.

Fact- A train was shown on the monitor as approaching the platform, lots of people were hurrying towards the platform.

Fact- According to witness Lee Rushton, 32, who says he heard every word the officers said. He says they never said the word 'police'.
'I heard a voice shouting get on the floor, just get on the floor, l then heard the sound of gunshots.'

Question- If this man was a suspected suicide bomber, why was he followed from his flat in Tulse Hill, allowed to get on a bus and travel the two miles to Stockwell tube station before being shot? Surely he could have been challenged earlier, thus putting the public at less risk?

Question- Besides living in the same block of flats that had been linked to the terrorists, what was the evidence that he was carrying a suicide bomb? The police still haven't said.

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I’m not going to judge or justify the actions of the officers involved. We weren’t there. Many witnesses at the scene may have seen the events taking place, but it’s likely that the events leading up to and the shooting itself happened in seconds; even the most nosey of people will act instinctively when someone with a gun shouts get down, they’ll go down like well, need I say more. The whole event will have grey areas on all sides, no matter whose says they saw what? At the end of the day an Independent Inquiry is underway and we should wait for that inquiry to reach its conclusion and the coroner reach his verdict……..

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True we should wait until the official enquiry to get the full facts, this didn't stop lots of people speculating on here last weekend as to the reason he'd been shot.

Enquiry aside, l still think as previously stated, the police should release the details as to why this man was shot in the head, so as to reasure an already nervous popualce, especially in the light of the new stop and search policy towards Asians on the London transport system.

According to eye witnesses he did drop to the floor of the carriage and was then shot.

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a multiple head shot is used to instantly disable the suspect. they could trigger a remote device and still kill and maime as the police were arresting them or whatever. you cant make a omlette without cracking a few eggs.

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Yes I totally understand why suspects are shot in the head when suspected of being a suicide bomber as I have previously posted in this thread.

That still doesn't answer the question as to why he was followed from his flat, and on a bus for the two miles to the busy tube station, where he was in more contact with the public and underground.

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That comment is just plain offensive.

I hope neither you or I are wrongly shot in the head whilst fighting these terrorists.

Probably his family don't find his death funny either.

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I know A-b has since posted about how his initial reaction to this story has changed, but this thread makes very interesting reading with the gift of hindsight.

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quite correct its certainly brought a wry smile to my face. :rolleyes:

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Latest reports suggest that the dead man stopped to pick up the free paper, Metro, before using his travel pass in the gate at the tube station.

Also read that the person who was supposed to be watching the suspected block of flats was 'relieving' himself when the dead man left home, so a positive id was impossible.

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worth bringing back this thread, seems the special branch policeman who admitted altering his notes n also deleting text from his computer before the inquest on the poor sod, has been cleared of deception, well excuse me if that aint what is?:confused: thats what happens whilst the police investigate themselves,:rolleyes: this matter is far more serious IMHO, than the MPs expenses debacle, yet i bet the media dont come down on this big time.:rolleyes:

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I quite agree.

What happened, and some of the public reaction that followed, is quite appalling.

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I recommend watching a video entitled
7/7 Ripple Effects

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Very intersting video.

I Always wondered why there was no real CCTV footage with all the camera's around london.:confused:

The truth will come out in the end.

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I think info like this is usually classed as need to know Mr D, and they always think that us plebs don't need to know:(

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I agree 100%.

A drug-taking, illegally resident, tax-evading, bone-idle cowboy electrician was accidentally shot by policemen in the course of their duty. So far, this man's foreign family have been awarded over half a million in compensation - far more than any of our servicemen or families get for death or injuries incurred for queen and country. That is insufficient, however, to satisfy the nauseating liberal mob - of which there are more than a few on here - who no doubt will not be happy until the smiling British bobby becomes no more than a footnote in their own warped history.

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You obviously haven't watched the video, have you?

I hoped you would, because as a London resident, you could have made constructive comment about the bus routes detailed, which would either support or denigrate the info supplied.

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...just one more crackpot conspiracy theory.

I think I'll go to bed.

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did you look or did you not?

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so its ok to alter evidence if its a person you think is idle is it T.? sorry yer missing the whole point which surprises me.:confused:

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I'm with Tealeaf on this one, Cashman:eek:

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The police are damned if they do and damned if they don't they can't win:(

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I would agree, this wont get media attention like it should.

They feel we dont need to know anything apart from what they want us to know.

Here is some more evidence to show this needs to be looked at again.

YouTube - "New Analysis" Of 7/7 London Bombings CCTV Pictures

A interview with a survivor, and further information.

YouTube - Interview with Daniel Obachike 1

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Is it a full moon tonight? Every conspiracy nutter on Accy Web suddenly seems to have popped up. Anyway, keep up what you're doing.....it's the best fun for a long time.

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Glad your having fun.:)

Is the above a conspiracy or Fact.

I wouldnt class "us" as conspiracy nutters, just prepaired to see further than what we are lead to believe, I cant prove anything and dont say anything I post is Fact unless it is proven.

The internet is a wonderfull tool it allows information to run freely (for now) I just choose to see what other opinions are out there.:D:D

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crap- asking they obey the rules like the rest of us aint unreasonable.:rolleyes:

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what a load of bull****,im with tealeaf on this why would they fake it,if you think theyve faked why do you believe some unknown whos probably in the propaganda wing of al quaeda hasnt faked it...even the junkie music is crap...

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its you thats talking crap, the special branch officer admitted altering his notes before the inquiry. ya would know that if ya read things.:rolleyes:

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I cant say why they would fake it or even if they did, but a suggestion could be the fact we had troops fighting a war that the nation wasnt too happy about and protests where happening, the bombings made it right to be at war and fight terror. As well as a way of introducing new laws without much opposition.

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Since the police hadn't the foggiest as to the real identity of the man when they shot him, I hardly think his legal status was an issue at the time.

I'm all for the arrest and deportation of illegal immigrants, if that is what he was, though I've struggled to find any concrete evidence to back this up, right and left wing sites both claiming he was/wasn't, but public executions on the tube aren't really the answer, especially in the rush hour.

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I actually felt sorry for the coppers who actually shot the guy, they were acting on info received, the whole point is if this chap had have been a terrorist and caused another atrocity on the Underground, there would have been holly hell to pay. The bottom line is the the info was flawed and an innocent life was lost and no matter how many enquiries they have had you can't turn the clock back and undo the wrongs

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No, but one would like to think it won't happen again.

Copper peeing in a bottle at the time, wrongly identifies de Menezes as the suspect they should have been watching. Follows him on a bus for two miles. Follows him down into the tube station, and executes him in a carriage, a few feet away from other commuters.

Even if he had been a suicide bomber, you'd have thought they could have taken him out earlier, and in a much safer way, than wait until he was a couple of hundered feet underground, in an enclosed space filled with he general public.

The whole thing stank at the time, and still does.

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It just so happens that the high rank policewoman who gave the order is a 'graduate' of
Common Purpose- the secretive association which calls itself a charity and is funded from our rates

PS I mentioned Common Purpose in this thread
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...n-47520-8.html
at post#110

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I totally Agree Rindi, but is always easy to answer questions with hindsight, "If only" is one of the most used phrases in the English language, and no amount of soul searching is going to alter things now.

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It has already 'altered things' - mistrust of the motives of politicians

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You can never alter things that have happened Margaret, just hope that people learn by their mistakes, but mistrust of the motives of politicians has always been high on he agenda for lots of people, its just more prominent today than its ever been :rolleyes:

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No, you can't rewind history, but you can learn from it, in the hope of preventing similar things from happening again.

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:confused::confused::confused: Think thats what I said Rindi:rolleyes:

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You seemed quite dismissive of the enquires.

We can only learn if we know as much of the facts as possible.