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just seen this

police arent treating it as a major incident though.

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If you have a TV, then you will know more than I do. I know there has been an incident on a bus on Hackney Rd/ Columbia Rd or thereabouts, which is just north of where I am...there's alot of cop cars been speeding up there, but I've seen no ambulances (although they would take a different route from the hospital). I have no knowledge of the incidents on the tube, otherthan on the BBC website.

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reports of a nail bomb

a mate on another website is apparently just a block two down...

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Hi Tea, Glad your ok and away from the focus of all this. No Injury’s have been reported, other than one possible minor injury on the tube. The named underground stations have been evacuated. It is suggested that Dummy Nail Bombs have been recovered. The detonators have fired but no explosives where present. Armed Police are reported to have entered University Collage Hospital.

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If it's another attack they must'nt be allowed to win! We must stand up against these people who are just out to scare people into not traveling I just hope no one apart from these nutters are hurt!

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Sirens have now stopped. Traffic appears normal.I don't know whats happening in the West End.

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welll apparently on my other website

a young man ran off a train leaving his bag and they think he may have ran into ucl = University College London Hospital

some guy came on train, put down a ruksack and ran off, people tried geting holdof him, but he got away
and the bag exploded

on bus there was a small explosion, windows smashed, they saying its the detenator exploding, not the bomb

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It is looking like this is a scare as apposed to a terrorist attack. This may be some a***hole trying to bring the Capitol to a stand still and cause disruption. Although it would have been less risky to have just rung the Associated Press and make the treat like the old days. It is suggested that White? English people have left rucksacks and run for it? This might be a very dangerous prank that should result in long sentences if this is the case. Sir Ian Blaire is stating that the Police are dealing with a serious incident.

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COBRA is reported to be in session. Little real information is coming out. Blare is cancelling appointments etc. Looking more like a hoax attack, possibly a blind attempt to cause confusion. One hopes that this is not the start of something more serious. The streets will be crowed so please be careful when you folks down there start to transit home. Keep an eye open and get home safely.

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The reported injury is believed to be one of the individuals carrying one of the suspect devices. No Chemical Agents detected at the Oval. Londoners advised to stay put and not try to leave and clog the networks still operating.

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oval has received the all clear

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Whatever this was, it was coordinated. It was not a nut acting alone. If it appears detenators have gone off without the main explosive, then that suggests a bad batch. If however, there was no main charge, then you're left to wonder exactly what the point of the exercise was. Were they sending a message saying "we've done it once........ we can do it again?" Or is it some sort of decoy job? This puzzles me.

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HERE WE GO AGAIN ...
watching sky news a little earlier a reporter was told to get off his mobile ,,it seems that they can trigger off detinators ..

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Internal memo being sent out in the UCL hospital:

Look out for a 6ft 2" black/asian man with a hole in his hooded top with wires pretruding out of it.

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After an impromtu Accy Web meeting @ The Stag and watching the news, no casualties have been reported, thank God.

The talk on the streets is eventually there will be a backlash. People are sick of being held to ransom and having their lives disrupted, and worse.

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I’ve heard this on the news; it strikes me as been rather daft. This person will be undoubtedly shocked but I would have thought that he would have disposed of any damaged clothing. What he won’t be able to readily disguise is the strong smell of Cordite, possible powder burns and a very concerned look on is face. He is likely to be sweating and shaking uncontrollably. Anyone to have suffered the unexpected effects of a flash bang “Thunder Flash” training round will know what I mean. Pity it didn’t disable him painfully. If we get hold of a couple of there’s idiots the intelligence we might gain may just help put a stop to this thing happening again. Just Heard that a chap has been arrested at the MoD. White Hall.

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No idea what's going on - mobiles seem to be working, as I've just rung my boss in the car. Lots of sirens, lots of rumours, but very few real facts. We've only just got our road open from the last one, the police cordon came down on Tuesday. Russell Square tube is still cordoned off, for obvious reasons. I intended taking a cab tonight, as I'm off to dinner in a posh frock, and I don't like travelling on the Tube wearing jewellery anyway. Hope I can get one. You probably know more from watching TV than we do here in the thick of it!

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Nothing on the News at the moment Tea, Ian Blaire is suggesting you stagger travelling plans so as not to crowd the Streets, Trains and Road network. Just take care all of you and keep your eyes open. This is all a bit suspect and I’m not sure it’s over? Cheerful bastard I know. But just take care. Mobiles might be off as part of security arrangements and to allow greater use on the system by the police and security forces.

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I was wondering whilst reading this thread if it could be some kind of idiotic group trying to make a point that security is no better after 7/7 and that there were no major explosives just something to give the bang effect to dummy that realistically it could have been a bomb. Or am I just talking bulls**t??

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I don't think your talking bulls***, it’s possible that that's what was intended. It wouldn’t be the first time…..But I tend to think that this was some kind of decoy or blind attempt to disrupt the city and scare the public. Maybe it could be a prelude to a wider attack. They have the capability they have already proved that, and like the IRA also proved, it doesn’t have to be anything other than a crude device to kill. I think we where lucky today. I don’t think the Police and security services should be criticized either. They are dealing with a more self contain cultural group with lots of passive support from there own people. I think the people of London should be commended for the strength of character that's being displayed.

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I'm glad no-ones been seriously injured, regardless of what these people are trying to achieve I find it all quite frightening, it would certainly put me off going to London and other cities come to think about it.

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I saw on the news that they think they were meant to kill.

I don't think 4 bombs would not explode properly, so I don't think they were meant to kill, or if they were the lifeform (person is too good a word for this scum) who made the bombs will not be alive for very much longer.

I don't like to say it but I wouldn't be surprised if there is another attack with more devastating consequences.

I for one won't be going to London again soon - I got off lightly last time

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vorlon i have always felt go with my instincts, whatever yours are telling you follow them,keep safe.

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armed police have surrounded a mosque in east london reuters says,investingating 2 packages,the report said, just heard an eyewitness from stockwell who said they through the man to the floor of the train and fired 5 shots into him, this may upset the dogooders but if he was involved in the incidents yesterday or other terror incidents-i'm not complaining.

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Sounds like an excellent policy to me! They might need to start arming more of the police around the country if this carries on....

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Yeah...there's an awful lot of noise outside. The main road (Shoreditch High) is cordoned off because of the bus bomb from yesterday...meanwhile, there seems alot of police traffic heading East.

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It must be a nightmare.

From a purely selfish point of view, l travelled into the westend everyday for seventeen years on the Northern and Victoria lines, both of which have now been closed again. According to the news a suspected terrorist has been shot at Stockwell tube station which is the interchange station of the two lines.

When the Tube used to go on strike, not having the infrastructure in place that allows millions of people to go about their daily lives, used to result in chaos. It once took six hours for what should have been a 40 minute journey. You can't even walk as all the pavements are jam packed. This is worse though because if you do get on to some form of transport, you have other fears.

We all hoped the other week was a terrible one off attack, apparently not. All sides of the community need to help the police with any information, and after what happened the other week and the terrorists coming from Yorkshire, that includes us all nationwide.

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Garinda well said about letting police know ANY information and that members of ALL the coumminties have got to be open to the police when giving information.

I know that we're away from the Capital but it could still affect this area if some people take it into their own hands to "settle scores". These people will also have to be stopped as the coumminties are both upset over what has happened.

RE shoot to kill I think that if the police are faced with a sucide bomber that person is willing to die so why should they be allowed to take innocent people with them. The officers will have to live with the fact that they took someones life but at the end of the day it may have resulted in saving loads of passengers and fellow police officers.

Let us hope and pray that this is the end of these attacks (I doubt it) and that they dont start to bomb elsewhere!!!!

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Oh dear. That quote was this morning. This was the BBC this afternoon:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4707781.stm


I can't wait to read the Guardian & the Independant tomorrow...

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whilst agreeing with the policy if thats what it is,i would also agree with the muslem spokesperson in tealeafs link, that to allay fears of the muslem community the policy should be clearly defined so that eveyone knows the score. its a dangerous road to go down with it not being made clear.

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I agree with Cashman, and not from a wooly liberal point of view. The police need to make clear what their policy is, it could inflame an already tinder dry situation.

Not really a time for cheap political point scoring.

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So you think the police,the public and this terrorists should have a clearly defined set of rules to follow? Good Idea.Why not have a referee while we're at it...he can stand on the tube platform and tell the suicide bomber when he can press the button and he can tell the police when they can pull the trigger. A little bit like a western...everybody count to ten, then press or squeeze.

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No Tealeaf l don't think that, but given the situation were there are 900,000 Muslims apparently in London, nearly a tenth of the population, l think police guide lines need to be clear as far as a shoot to kill policy is concearned of 'alleged' suicide bombers, so we don't have more of a backlash.

It is only a little over ten years ago that the Balkan states had a civil war, were neighbour fought neighbour over religious differences and idealologies. We musn't let anything like that happen here.

Your use of 'civil liberties mob..........screaming' in this case seemed unnecessary, that's all.

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What is it that’s not clear here, why are people whimpering, if you are acting within the law you will be safe no matter what your colour, religion or culture. I don’t know what nationality this unfortunate person who died today, but I am sure that if he hadn’t run he would be breathing now. Shoot to Kill Polices are use for one specific reason. It keeps the public safe at times of doubt. Run you get shoot, stay still and do as your told you will live. Its quite clear. If you want ****ing Human Rights speak to those who died on the 7th July.

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Apparently the man was Asian.

If he was a suicide bomber l'm glad he's dead don't get me wrong. l just think that because these so called young Muslims apparently feel threatened, the police should release as much information as is possible without putting at risk enquires and on going surveillance.

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Sorry, but l still think a clear statement about a shoot to kill policy would alleviate some fears of people living in the areas affected so far.

This man apperantly didn't respond to requests made by the police [some of whom were undercover,] to stop.

Like l said, for nearly half my life l interchanged at Stockwell tube station. Like everyone else, l feel sorry for what people had to witness today whilst going about their daily business.

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Yesterday they might have witnessed worse; tomorrow they may just witness a scene that will never leave them. I don’t normally condone violence of any nature, but many solders and police officers died on the streets of Ireland because they tried to affect an arrest and were killed by Gunmen or by bombs left half way down the road and detonate from a distance by those they were trying to apprehend. I think the British Government and the Security Forces should make themselves absolutely clear. If you stop and cooperate all will be well, don’t and we will assume that you wish to put lives at risk and You Will Be Shot. Shoot to Kill means just that and it includes empting the chamber or magazine into the victim to ensure that innocent people don’t die needless deaths. It is harsh and regretful, but it’s time we grew some bollocks and stood up in this world, giving a clear statement that we are no longer a soft option.

For all those I have offended I will apologise to now. But the first time someone get through because we considered the human rights of a potential murder and didn’t shoot, I will take it back.

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A thorny moral dilemma. I wonder how the European Court would apply the relevant legislation in a case where the question was; whose human rights were more important, those of the bomber or those of his intended victims?

Would they decide for the bomber or the victims or would they just simply sit on the fence and uphold the legal principle that rights are inalienable irrespective of the situation?

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Some pretty chilling observations there Doug.

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its not about human rights of the evil sods doug its about a clearly defined policy.i.e.stop or we shoot to kill,which i happen to agree with if that is declared or something similar-fine,what part of that do you and tealeaf not get? then nobody would be under any illusions.also the human rights brigade etc could bleat to high heavan,people have been warned.

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Some confusion Cashman. I totally get it and I don’t give a flying **** about the rights of anyone engaged in the taking of innocent life. I wasn’t defending these people I was condemning them. If I give you any other impression I can ask you to read the post again. The officers involved undertook standard procedures and emptied the chamber into the head of a suspected terrorist, he give up his right to life when he ran, is that clear enough

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So if a young chav is stopped by the police and drives off resulting in a car chase, he/ she should be shot in the head too?

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Garinda, in times like these people should have the sense not to play with the authorities. If an officer as a weapon you stop. I think that it’s likely that not all future bombers will be of Asian or Afro Caribbean descent. The next one might just be white. If they run and the authorities consider them a threat then they must assume the worst and shoot. One life against 50 odd or more. Which way would you have it?

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we seem to be at cross purposes here doug i dont give a flying **** about them either,i also do not think giving out to much information is benificial either,what i do think is announce the shoot to kill policy through the media and then NONE of these dogooding cretins can have any comeback.end of story.

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My apologies Cashman my mistake, I thought they had made it clear. If they haven't then I would agree with you.

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SHOOT ANYONE THAT IS SUSPICIOUS ! YOU MAY GET ONE WRONG ONE BUT YOU MAY SAVE 700, easy in it .blow them all away?

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There has been a policy for years in the UK about when the police or Army can use force to stop or control a terrorist and as someone who had to carry a weapon I totally agree with it, you have to give 3 warning and then the person in charge has to make a decsion whether to use force or not, except in the case where you think yourself, a civilian or others may be hurt or killed then you use your professional knowledge to shot to kill, why never to maim... because a. its not James Bond b. you may miss and injure innocent people c. biggest part of the body is the biggest target. Belive it or not it was passed as ok by the European court of human rights on more then one occasion when the UK forces were challanged by the Paddys.
What makes it seem surral is that ever TV news station hear has the headlines "British police shot and killed a man" this is the biggest news story and people at work came up to me today saying "your police killed a guy today" police shooting people here doesnt even get mentioned, in a 2 week period Tampa police have killed 7 people. So if the police shot someone then it headlines around the world and in a small way it is something to be proud of, not the actual killing, but the fact it doesnt happen that often which means the so called do-gooders don't have a lot to go on about.

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Like l said earlier if this guy was a suicide bomber l am glad he is dead, although at the moment, the evidence seems to point to the contrary. More oil on their fire?

Again like l pointed out earlier, l rode the same tube line everyday for seventeen years where this inncident happened. In that time l saw a man shot dead at Tooting Broadway tube station. I had a knife thrown at me at the very tube station this shooting happened at, the amount of times l saw muggings was uncountable. If someone in plain clothes, which apparently some of theses marksman were, told me to stop, l hope l would have, because normally you go quickly in the opposite direction, even if they said they were policeman. l was once nearly mugged by someone claiming to be a London Underground Police Officer.

All l am saying is that, in order for tensions not to go any higher, the Police need to issue public statements about a/ what to do in these situations if you are caught up in it, b/ after carrying out a shoot to kill, evidence that the person shot was indeed a searious threat to the public.

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that seems simple enough to me rindy, cant see whats up with it.

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If for example the threat of dying because you might be tempted to steal some-one elses property.
In the view of making the streets safe for every-one else, then yes, shoot them in the head, they know how tense things are at the moment and if it is the only way of curing them of killing innocent pedestrians when they get involved with a car chase then so be it!

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i remember a case where soldiers killed a young driver who sped through a checkpoint in ireland and the poor soldier got taken to court accused of murder

we need a shoot to kill policy on more than just suspected terrorists it should apply to anyone endangering others wether it be joy riding or carrying a bomb

if you refuse to comply to orders given to you by the police then the police should be able to stop you by any means nessesary

its ok saying but if we arm the police the criminals will get guns but that argument is null and void because criminals in the UK alredy have and use guns

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This, from my Bible - The Times, may halp carify matters...

"THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT

Anti-terrorist police have a policy, codenamed Operation Kratos, for dealing with suspected suicide bombers. At its most extreme, it involves shooting at the head

Armed officers in England and Wales aim at the chest, but bombers hit in the chest can still trigger explosives

Once a person is judged a serious risk to the public armed police can open fire

They can only open fire while on duty when absolutely necessary and when traditional methods have tried and failed, or are unlikely to succeed

Police are expected to identify themselves as armed officers and warn of their intent to use firearms

They must give sufficient time for a suspect to observe the warning, unless that puts anyone at risk"

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Yes A-b l read the same guidelines, and understand the need to shoot the suspect in the head, when there is a risk that firing at the normal chest area may detonate any explosives strapped to the suspect's body. My point is all l've heard today was that this man had been under surveillance, in my opinion not enough evidence too probably quell an already touchy minority of young Muslim extremists into carryiing out more acts of terror.

Quite agree that a shoot to kill policy could be brought in for lots of life endangering offences. One problem though, what would the BBC show as prime time programming if they can't show car chases?

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hadn't seen those guidelines a-b,but my point is simple readers of your bible are in the minority,weather thats good or bad i wouldn't presume to comment,the guidelines should be printed in all papers,and on the news channels, then no dogooder or fanatical murdering scumbag has no excuse whatsoever.can't see how that would be hard to acheive even with this limp wristed government.

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I am sorry that the young man was shot......but he was ordered to stop and he didn't.
If he had complied with the instructions then maybe he would have been alive today.
There were pictures in the paper yesterday of a young man with a rucksack being handcuffed.......he did what the police asked of him and he is safe.
If this man was running, then the police have to assume he is running for a reason......they have only a split second to make a judgement.......if he had been a bomber and another 56 people were lying dead then they would be at fault......it seems to me it is a case of lose/lose situation here.
The man who pulled the trigger will have it on his conscience for life.

In the current climate some tough decisions are having to be made......this was one of them...and it will be investigated by independent police commission to ensure that policies were rigorously followed.

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Oh...and although I don't read The Times newspaper, the Daily Mail carried the article A-B has posted......word for word. So it is out there in other lowlier newsprint.

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I have no problem at all with the Police shooting fleeing suspects - think of the time and money it saves in legal aid and prison accomodation - what I do have a problem with is excitable dung-heads who whine because they are too dim to realise that any so called Shoot- to-Kill policy is aimed at people who are suspected of having the potential to kill or maim others.

I also have a problem with people who spend years claiming social security benefits and preach hate and intolerance, who then fight tooth and nail to stay in the country they profess to hate, loathe and detest because they are terrified of returning to face the consequences of their actions in their country of origin.

I also have a problem with people who refuse to integrate into their adopted society to the extent that they feel the need to set up their own Parliament - People who are only British when it suits them or when they are in trouble or when they are demanding a handout.

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You could be my twin AB!

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I have always suspected that there is another part of me out there somewhere!

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Maybe even a triplet.......I identify with all those sentiments.

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Eloquently put A-B. Like Margaret I agree with all three sentiments……….

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Breaking news from my Bible....

"Statement from Metropolitan Police



We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday 22nd July 2005, although he is still subject to formal identification.

We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005.
For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets.
The man emerged from a house in Tulse Hill that was itself under observation because it was linked to the investigation on Thursday 21st July.
He was then followed by surveillance officers to the underground station. His clothing and behaviour added to their suspicions.
The circumstances that led to the man's death are being investigated by officers from the MPS Directorate of Professional Standards, and will be referred to the IPCC in due course.
Anyone who may have been in or around Stockwell tube station at approximately 10:00, 22/7 and may have heard or seen anything is asked to contact police on 020 8785 8632/8646 or 8639."


Tragic! But I have to say that if I was confronted by several Policemen pointing guns at me and shouting at me to stop and put up my hands, then the last thing it would occur to me to do would be to lead them on a wild chase through a crowded tube station. Or am I being hopelessly old fashioned in this.

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a valuable lesson has been learned here i think

you cant run faster than a bullet so do as the police ask or get a well deserved bullet in the head

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All shootings by armed officers are subject to investigation by the Independent Police complaints Commission.......as I said in a previous post......if the police had not shot him and he had blown up the train, then they would be condemned for their inactivity.

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The question I would like to ask is What If………..What if they had not shot him and he had detonated a device on the tube. Is it not a case of dammed if they, dammed if they don’t.

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Like Chav, I think that this incident, tragic and regretable though it undoubtedly is, demonstrates the willingness of the authorities to shoot first and ask questions later.

About time!

Now, about this Human Rights Act......

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Sorry Margaret, I defer to your Statement, a case of great mind perhaps…….

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I would prefer a great body.......do you know where I can get one from...?
Ooooooh sorry, that was a bit of nasty thread wander there......smack my hands!

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Smacking is now illegal. As a penance you will have to mop and donkey stone the front step while reciting your nine times tables - twice!

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the 3 sentiments a-b mentioned but put more eloquently than i could/would have done,cos theres children on here,i agree with entirely. from my point of view the guy who was shot,left the authorities with no option.and sends a clear message out, the only thing that puzzles me is the witness who quoted that the officer sat on his chest and fired 5 bullets into his head, i certainly wouldnt sit on any buggers chest if i suspected he had explosives on him,would you? seems strange,but i know nowt about explosives.

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Cashman, can you imagine the shear sense of fear of what might happen that must have been going through the minds of those officers. Nobody could ever say for sure but by sitting on the back this unfortunate chap they might have thought that they might deflect or reduce the impact of the explosion.

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thats what i mean doug -nobody can say for sure i,m certainly not knocking the guys i just think a safer bet from a self preservation viewpoint would have been to shoot him without sitting on him, after seeing the devastion in the previous bombings it is hard to visulise a much reduced impact,

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2 am news on BBC.

Earlier reports that the man shot was Asian were wrong, police just released details that he was in fact Brazilian, and had no connection with terrorist organizations.

Moral stay out of the sun, and if travelling on the underground and some undercover police officer starts shouting at you in a language you may not understand, drop to the ground.

Won't really help our image around the world in the billions of pounds we are going to loose in tourist dollars, yen, euros or indeed Brazilian reals.

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Well said A-B , i totally agree with you.

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This post seems to have gone fairly quiet.

I earlier said if this man who was shot was a suicide bomber I was glad he was dead. He wasn't.

I do understand the reasons other people though his death was in the interests of secutity of the masses.

I for one am sorry that there as been another victim because of the current situation.

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that is the reason-and that alone,i was saying the shoot to kill policy,needs to be announced through ALL media sources,perhaps like a pre-announced statement i am all in favour of such a policy in these terrible times but there can be NO room for doubt as to what the policy is.none of us were aware that the poor sod was not a terrorist,but none of us know what he thought or what actually happened,

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Still a bit saddened reading through some of he posts from yesterday, jokes about saving money by shooting, that this post seems to have died.

Shame.

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Now that I am finally back on the net I would like to start by giving my full support to the "shoot to kill" policy. It is sad and unfortunate that a Brazillian national is the first victim but the question has to be asked, WHY did he run?

As most of you know, Willow and I have recently returned from Tunisia and the police there wear sidearms as a matter of course. If one of them shouted to me, I would stop! I don't speak Arabic and very little French but when a gun is pulled by one in authority you do the common sense thing. It must be the same in Brazil surely which puts a question mark over the national papers headlines that he is "INNOCENT"

There will of course be an enquiry but for the sake of this country and our security forces, I hope it does not turn into a witch-hunt. If that happens and the man that pulled the trigger is penalised then we might as well pack our bags and emigrate.

Does anyone know of any country not infected by P.C. madness? (apart from Iraq)

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I think you raised a very valid point in respect of a witch hunt….Many Police officers will be waiting to see how this situation goes, some commentators are already concerned that some Police officers might withdraw from armed duty because of the risks of facing manslaughter or murder charges, allegedly some other are expressing concerns that if they challenge and hesitate they might give opportunity to a bomber to trigger a device. The public must stand with the police and offer our continuing support, God forbid that another innocent man should die, but God help us all if our police refuse to carry arms.

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My sentiments exactly Doug, If the Police do not get the backing of both the national press and the support of the people the terrorists have won!

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I think that’s right and many people are hoping that our leaders take responsibility and ensure that our Police officers, Intelligence Services and Security forces receive unwavering support. Mistake might be made and God forbid it should be one of us, but we can’t pander to those that would undermine our country.

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I fully support the police shoot to kill policy regarding suspected suicide bombers. My original comments were that that the police should have perhaps released some information as to why he was a suspect, so as to quell an already angry Muslim miniority into committing more heinous crimes.

It is a serious and compicated question. I found some of the pat comments about saving money by shooting to kill posted yesterday, before we knew more facts, in hindsight in very poor taste. I didn't see this man's family laughing on the news just now for their son's mistake.

I to ignored someone who claimed to be a plain clothes policeman on the same tube line. I didn't have to pay with my life for the choice l made.

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Listen Garinda, we’re renowned for our bad taste and black humour in time of adversity; it’s what helps some of us cope with the unpleasantness. Some people will agree with you fully and some won’t. An innocent life was lost that’s a fact, 56 innocent people also lost there lives on the 7th and untold number could have died on Thursday. Nothing can change these facts; it happened and I regret it will happen again. We didn’t want this man to die his life was equally in his hands and that of the officer that shot him. I don’t think he will be happy at his choice and I’m sure if he could take it back he would. We make choices and act in times of stress, and then we have to live with them. All of us share the guilt and responsibility for what happened, we must accept that fact and move on

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Fine agreed, it wasn't your 'pat' humour l thought in bad taste.

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I should like to think so.

All victims of this are to be pittied.

Is Brazilian not classed as 'white'?

Most Brazilians are Roman Catholic, so we can't assume he wasn't Christian.

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when anyone is being dodgy do you think we should take the risk?NO WAY HOSEA! you are guilty you ran bang bang you are gone easy and simple dont mess around with your own?

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True he made a mistake.

As l said earlier, l was asked to go with someone claiming to be a London Underground Police Officer at Stockwell tube station where this happened. I didn't, my instinct told me to quickly depart in the other direction. I was right this man made the wrong choice.

I also to my shame, along with others, ignored the cries of a woman at Brixton tube station who claimed she had just been raped. This was in the rush hour. The next day's Evening Standard sadly confirmed her story.

It's east to sit up here and pontificate about what someone should or shouldn't do in a given situation, there are an awful lot of strange people in London, many l would still quickly walk away from, if not run.

Again, l say that l do feel the situation is hard for the police and l fully support them, it's just that l think this dead man is also a victim of an ever worsening story.

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shoot the lot of them!if in doubt give them a shot! thought muslims where not allowed to drink? or gamble that mon from blythes soon made a mess of that didnt he?

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If l was pumped full of holes when l sup your fine ales, l'd make a mess all over the carpet and Mands wouldn't be too chuffed!

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Well, well, well.

As expected, the BBC and the rest of the politically-correct toss-pots went overboard on the coverage of the death of this Brazilian character. Does it strike anyone odd that this individual appears to have had a hundred times more media coverage than any victim of the 7/7 bombings?

Anyway, it now appears he was not so innocent after all. His work visa had expired; he was therefore both an illegal immigrant and working here illegally. No wonder he ran. But his guilt did not end there; he neither stopped to purchase a travel ticket not run his travel card through the reader. In other words, he was a fare dodger.

His Brazillian family are in the process of seeking compensation from the Met; I hope they do not get a penny, but rather London Underground sends them a bill for £10pds, being the standard penalty for fare evaision.

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Shoot who???

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Oh dear...now I stand corrected.This guy did not even have a work visa...he had an expired student visa.Yet he was working as an electrician. I wonder - how much tax was he paying? Not a lot, I expect the answer.

Talking about cops, has anyone read up on the Brazilian police death squads? Apparently, they target orphan kids in the slums of Rio and San Paulo...they kill several hunded a year.Its funny how the Brazilian government, while in the process of comparing the Met to the SS, has little to say about the cops in its own backyard.