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I think that's a brilliant idea Margaret.

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because it came from the muslim community I think it might add to its appeal......and it would, I'm sure be acceptable to everyone else too.......the other phrase that is in use at the moment is 'we're not afraid'....and there is a website of pictures of people who support London.......but I'm not sure if 'We're not afraid' might be construed as confrontational.

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Multi Faith – One Nation.

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I think this is possibly one of the most obscene ideas I have ever heard. You say that if a mulsim was not wearing the wristband it would not mean they were supporting the terrorists. Yeah right.
What people don't understand is that just because you are asian does not mean you are muslim. There are many countries in 'Asia' and many religions and cultures. So any young asian male with a rucksack would be a legitimate target for abuse, as they were a target on Thursday for police suspicions.
What would happen if the bombers had been Christian fundamentalists, of which there are many in the world. Would Christians have to wear wristbands? And what would happen if they didn't?
Don't get me wrong, I understand you are only trying to help raise money, but this has to be one of the worst thought through ideas I have ever come across. Really.

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The only issue I see with “Not In My Name” is that it was coined and widely used by the anti war brigade to protest against the Gulf War……………..

http://www.signsofthetimes.org.uk/feb15.html

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Dillon......I think you may have either not read all of this thread or in some way misinterpreted it........it is NOT aimed at fundraising......though if it did raise some funds then it would be good......it is NOT aimed at Muslims.....it is however, aimed at ALL people who want to declare their opposition to acts of terror as a weapon.
I am sorry if you find this thread distasteful.......so far I think you are in a minority.

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Willow.....it is Ok, I would be so proud if this idea succeeded.
When the bombings happened I felt so impotent......like there was nothing I could do to help.......if this idea takes off, then I will feel that in some small way I have done something that just MAY make a difference.

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I don’t think anyone here would be against your comments Dillon. You opinion is just as valid as anyone one else’s. I don’t believe that young Asians have been targeted by anyone here and any one person declining to wear a band or ribbon certainly will not mean they are supportive of anything other than the right of choice.

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i think at the moment as its friday and almost teh end of th day we're just gonna have to go thru the motions and wait till monday before anything really does go down

i'm off to work will b checkin this thread after 8...

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Good on you Doug.......and I would also say to Dillon.....if he had stayed on line long enough, that it is up to individual choice......no-one HAS to wear anything....wristband, ribbon, badge...unless of course they identify with the cause.

I haven't heard of any Christian fundamentalist group using terror tactics against innocent people, but if he has then I will listen.

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I do think Dillon may have misinterpreted the ides behind this thread, for one thing it wasn't started to raise any funds. It was to show that all members of the community are against acts of terrorism, or at least the vast majority.

This isn't about race, creed or religion, but about people standing up and being counted. We must remember that all Muslims aren't Asian, like Dillon said there is a vast number of religions on that continent, just like every other. One of the bombers was Afro-Caribean and had a white wife. There were Muslim fatalies as well in the other weeks attacks.

I still have reservations about wearing your heart on your sleeves, but l will support and applaud your efforts for hopefully getting this off the ground. Could you not involve local Mosques? With backing from local Muslims l think it would add to the weight of what you are attempting to do.

With Gayle on side, l think you need to use her skills to raise as much public awareness of what the ribbons/wristband means, otherwise it may not be understood for what it is, ie: a visual anti terrorism campaign.

Good luck. Like l said l will not be wearing one, but applaud those that may choose too.

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as rindy said its not about raising funds, its about people against terrorism,people of all colours and creeds,whilst you are entitled to your opinon, i think dillon-you are one.

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Actually Dillon's comments illustrate the necessity to be absolutely crystal clear about our motive and objectives.

I am sure that if we approached The Observer and The Lancashire Evening Telegraph and Local Radio they would carry the story and maybe even support it with a free advert or two. But first we need to be clear what the project is about, what it hopes to accomplish, who is expected to take part and where the writbands/ribbons can be obtained from.

I think that it is also important that we point out that the project has the ambition of obtaining National and potentially International coverage

Approaching local mosques and churches is vital for spreading the message, as are our lovely councillors, county councillors, Member of parliament and Member of the European Parliament.

Is there anyone skilled at copywriting for the advertising blurb????

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A-B......the aims of ribbons/wristbands would be to outwardly convey a disaffection with terror as a weapon. It is not aimed at just muslims, it is aimed at all people who found the London bombings atrocious. I don't think that we can proceed further at the moment until we can identify manufacturers and funding. I would hope that maybe what starts out as a local thing, could perhaps find favour nationally and perhaps even internationally.

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The other thing I would like to point out is, I believe, from reading what Dillon wrote, that either he has not read the whole of the thread.......or has in some way misinterpreted what was said. I feel that I have clearly outlined the objectives.......although if you feel that I have been 'woolly' I am fairly sure you will tell me.

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all i can say about this is you cant judge a book by its cover? a leopard wont change its spots,where would the proceeds go?

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If there were any proceeds then they could go to charity......maybe the fund for the victims of the bombers.....as these were of all nationalities.
We aren't expecting leopards to change their spots......just hoping to unite people in a common cause.

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Stand by your convictions Margaret. I would make charity the main focus of any profits that way no one can misinterpret your intentions. The only people who should benefit financially is the family’s of the victims of this tragedy and possibly others to come.

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There may not be any profits......but if there were then they would HAVE to go to a charity that supports the people most affected by 7/7

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If I were to get any funding for this it would be because we wanted to give them out for free. If we were to charge for them it would make it complicated.

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i fail to see how anyone can misinterpret margarets intentions,if they do their either totally missing the point,or bigoted. sorry if that upsets anyone but i call it as i see it.

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Free would be good Gayle......I think there may be a better uptake too.

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Would you have to pay tax on the items if they were sold?
That could also make it more complicated.

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what i am aiming at is if you see a person wearing this band/ribbon you think to yourself well they support the cause! but you didnt see the backpack or wires hanging from there shirt.You can dress a wolf in sheeps clothes but it does not mean he is going to eat grass?




P.S didnt A-B put a sticky thread on general chat for peolpe to donate if they so wished?

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Yes...A-B did put a sticky thread for people to donate if they wished. This isn't really about donations....although it was a question that you asked so I did answer it.

But it is about attitudes......you talk of wolves in sheeps clothing.......is this to imply that all muslims are bombers?.....because that is the attitude I would like to combat.

This scheme, if it were to take off, would allow anyone regardless of their creed or nationality to SHOW disaffection with actions of terror

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How about
Not in the name of Allah

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margaret what you are aiming to do is something that people all over the world have been trying to do for years, even the pope could not change the ways of the people that have this so called attitude,does a spy wear his uniform or does he go under cover? i think the world knows all about terroism and the people that plan these attrocities know that they are hated by those who oppose them but will they STOP!i dont think so.

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Staggeringman.......I would have to be pretty stupid and not a bit conceited to think that I can stop what other people braver and more intelligent than me could not stop.......but this isn't what this thread is about. It is about giving ordinary people a voice and a choice to wear something that says......NOT IN MY NAME........I can say it no clearer than that.

If you don't agree....... then you don't agree, but bad things happen because ordinary people let them, by doing nothing.

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Thank-you Doug........I'm losing my voice trying to explain my motives.
I have nothing at all to gain in this.......I am not trying to make money, all I would like to see is some community cohesion and less suspicion about muslims and asians (yes I know all Asians are not muslim......and all muslims are not asians)>

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Stand by your convictions Margaret and you’ll find that somewhere others will stand with you. Opinion and constructive dialog is paramount and allowing other people the right of self expression is fundamental to what you’re trying to achieve. If we try to work together we will get somewhere, it might not be far, but at least we tried.

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Yes Doug there has certainly been some dialogue on this subject.....!

Oh and I haven't been convicted yet......just waiting for the jury to come back.......hehehe

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Please don't misunderstand, Margaret, I am not criticising, just trying to think ahead and play devil's advocate.

I agree with Gayle that free would probably be the best idea otherwise you would get into all sorts of complications with the need to keep accounts and make them public to show where any money raised would go and then there is the Inland Revenue and Customs and Excise, to avoid having to hand over any of the proceeds to the government in taxation you would need to become a registered charity which means bookeeping and lots of it. Which means having people to keep the books and having money to pay them wages and NI contributions, and on and on and on.... I think free, small and local is probably best for now. As it is, you would probably have to keep some sort of accounting system to demonstrate that any grant funding was spent on what it was intended for. The granting body, or bodies, may well ask for some sort of end of project report too.

What we are taking on here is quite a commitment, even if it remains at local level. If it becomes National.......!

I think we all need to do some very careful thinking this weekend.

Oh, by the way, if we do decide to go ahead with this project, it might be an idea to register the band or ribbon etc in order to prevent the unscrupulous from making a fast buck at the expense of our public spiritedness and destroying all our good work.

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I would recommend that we consider what A-B is saying. Maybe you could speak to an established Charity to see if they would take on that side of things.

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I think Gayle has some ideas about contacting helpful sponsors.

And I know A-B what you mean about playing devil's advocate......as it is, this thread only started out as a grain of an idea.....but if it could do some good (however small) then it would be worth the effort.

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I'm with you all the way margaret. If it helps you could post on the stanley site as they had some wristbands produced for the ultras which they then sold on with no issue regarding the inland revenue.... just an idea. you've got 3 bought in this house anyway. You go girl!!!! :)

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good to have your support Harwood Red........Thanks.

And Willow, yes I DID think I had made the objectives of the idea fairly clear.....I'm glad you consider that I did too.

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I thought my idea had died for a minute there.

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good on you mani.......now for a slogan........ and funding.

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I've put in an application to Daniel Thwaites for £450 - not sure whether we stand a chance with that or not.

I can also write an application to the Co-op as our project definitely fulfills their criteria. Only problem is who to have the cheque made out to. Does Accy web have a bank account (and I'm not talking ackers here)?

It will take about six/eight weeks to get funding through if either of them are prepared to support this. We can't order anything until we have an answer from them.

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Gayle.... when you were asking about Accywebs constitution.....do the rules count as our constitution....?

Thankyou for your efforts Gayle.

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Try a black ribbon

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http://www.j4bgrants.co.uk/Search.as...&WCU=cmdSubmit

for funding is superb....

like a huge database for funds

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Yes, I've seen it before but lost the link to it, thanks.

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As for rules - yes, I've had a look at them and I think they should be ok as a constitution. Only question now is bank account. Most funders don't allow things to be banked by an individual which makes sense.

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how many white people are walking round with ribbons or wristbands that show "their disaffection" towards the said atrocities ? ....why discriminate against muslims .....as gayle said on the very first page "It could work if it was something that was worn by everyone regardless of colour or race" .......

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BR......if you had read the thread you would see that is what is being proposed......maybe you only read the first post......but as the thread wore on you will see that that is what we're in favour of.

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Gayle....maybe the moderators could help you there. There must be a bank account for Accyweb as donations are accepted from member and sponsors...perhaps financial transactions could be done through that.

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Gayle send a P.M. to Roy it's his site, he can tell you what will or won't be allowed so far as the site is concerned.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_11.gif

The other thing is unlike his Dad he doesn't BITE!

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In a recent Telegraph survey of British muslims, when asked if they had sympathy with the feelings and motives of the london suicide bombers, 24% of muslims either said "yes, a lot" or "yes, a little". Now bearing in mind there are around 1.6 million muslims in Britain that equates to nearly 400,000 muslims who have a lot, or some, sympathy for the actions of the london suicide bombers.

I for one find that fact extremely scary.

Whilst I agree with Margaret's idea I'd be extremely surprised if any muslims would openly show opposition to another muslim brothers actions. Remembering that in the twisted vision of some muslims, this is a "holy war" !

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ok

for the constitution - i've already set up one charity - friends of thalassemia - we went thru the whole constitution thang there - and how the bank account needs to b in two peoples names etc

esp if its a charity.

i emailed that link for the ribbon makers and they've mailed me back saying they've sent me some samples and will b more than happy to discuss prices etc once i know for sure colour, width etc

as for whom the money will go to - i was thinking that maybe we could b one of those charities who gets applications from organisations whose purpose is to help integration and working together of multi-cultural britain.

the accounts etc will b open adn fully audited - i need to speak to a friend of mine in london - she researched about registering as a charity so we can do that and b an official charity - it holds much more water than just a mickey mouse thing which has recent watchdog progs have shown are very prone to fraud.

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Good work Mani.........
And BF........I know what you are saying but there are lots of muslims who do not agree with what is being done in their name........witness the 2 minute silence and the vigil......they were holding up placards saying 'Not in my Name'......so I think we won't know if we don't try.
The idea might fail........or it may take off and show that there are many people against terror tactics........we have to give it a go.

Mani......about wording.......I thought that maybe 'Not in my Name' would be appropriate because it relates to all people...not just muslims, but another one that came to mind was 'NO 2 Terror'.......if anyone else on Accyweb has any other ideas we could use, then please feel free.

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Mani......it might be worthwhile to see if we can get funding from some other source....... we need to see if the idea has wings before we get into setting up a charity......the first wristbands/ribbons be distributed free.....just to get the idea off the ground.

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I sent of Daniel Thwaites application yesterday for £450 - I think I might have mentioned it already earlier. Anyway, struggling to send of the Co-op one because we need a bank account which the website doesn't actually have - it's Roys own personal one which means it can't be used.

So, I'm currently looking at other options - I haven't stopped trying.

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just hope this suceeds,and well done to everyone working to make it.

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OK,

Here is my 2p,

I would behappy to make a contribution. If we said say £5. not a lot for anyone on any income. If we could get £50-£100 together we get a load of white and green ribbon from the sewing stall in the market hall. I'm sure a good few people would be happy to give a few hours time in doing either of the following

1) Tie a piece of green ribbon to a piece of white ribbon. That way they can be tied to any size wrist on the spot.

2) Make up a simple green and white ribbon tie, it probably needs two or three stitches to a loop of each colour just to hold them together.Add a safety pin(20 for ~50p)

I reckon with £50 we could make hundreds of each.

To distribute them, How about getting some kids(Willow?) to paint up a sheet in the name that is chosen and set up outside the Town Hall on a Saturday GIVING them out. No donations, Tell people to give money to the family of that lass from Ossy for the kids. Make a few posters so people know what its about.

If its successful other towns could happily follow. Let them work it out for themselves, we can happily advise.

Ian


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I think that Mani has got someone sending him some professional samples......It would be better done professionally so that it looks like we mean business.......but all options are still open.

Gayle is also looking for funding so that we can have something professionaly done.
every little helps.

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Not a bad idea Ian. If all else fails and Margaret, Mani and the others want to do something to make the original idea work I’d be happy to throw a couple of Bob in to the pot. I have to say that everyone seemed to be happy over there today; I saw lots of happy smiling faces all over the place, and the place looked very nice up around by the Town Hall. Lots of colour in the planting schemes and lots of greenery. Very pleasant…………….

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Just a thought, rather than buy ribbon and pins from Accy Market, buy direct from the manufacturer. A quick search on Google brought up lots. Delivery is normally by return, and someone may need to put it on a card. Thats what l used to do.

If you explain what it's for you may even get an even better price. Less cost = more free ribbons.

Good luck.

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happen we could paint up a few multi coloured backpacks all donations welcomed, how about donating to what you are enrolled on ? derrrrrr make a donation to accy web? at least you are getting something out of it!you want to shout off but believe me charity begins at HOME!

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SORRY GARY BUT NO HAIR TO TIE THE RIBBONS IN?

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I'm another devil's advocate, like A-B. Is there any form of market research that we could do, even standing in Accy with a clipboard, asking people if they would wear such a wristband/ribbon? It would be a great shame if the whole scheme were publicised and funded, ribbons etc made, and then too few people would take them up. I too have my doubts as to whether many people would wear them, particularly if it attracted unpleasantness from their neighbours, as it did in Northern Ireland. There are sections of the Muslim community who do feel some degree of support for the bombers - sad and misguided, but unfortunately true. Others might be unwilling to be seen to go against their co-religionists.

All that said, I wish the project the very best of luck and hope it does work. All right-thinking people, of whatever religion or colour, will condemn what was done, and should not be afraid to show it.

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It hasn't died a death from my side yet. I've sent in a bid for £450 to Daniel Thwaites - it might take a few weeks before we hear back. In the meantime, I suggest trying some of the other ideas that have been put forward as a fallback.

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Any further news on this re: funding, etc?

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I received a letter this morning from Daniel Thwaites. It's short so I'll type the whole thing out for you.

Request for Funding
We can confirm that your request was given consideration by our Trustees, but regret to advise that we are unable to assist you on this occasion. This in no way reflects on your cause but is solely driven by the number of applicatins we have received and the strict rules of the Trust Deed.

Yours sincerely,
For Daniel Thwaites Charitable Trust


So sorry about that guys, I did try - if you're still interested in doing this perhaps we should be exploring the other ideas.

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Thanks for your hard work and efforts Gayle......but I think the moment has passed.......It would have been good if we could have got it off the ground in the very early days after the atrocity.......but now I think the passion has fizzled out. Thought I still think it is a good idea......Well, I would, wouldn't I.......?

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I think it was an excellent idea Margaret. I'm sorry the funding didn't come through but at least we tried to do something.

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Although I had my doubts about if this would work, but not your reasons for doing it, I do think it was a noble intention.

The rest of my nominations shall remain secret, but I have voted this the best serious issue thread.