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Samael 31-08-2005 12:43

What do0o0o you think...
 
... the meaning of life is?

Ifs there's a god, I think the meaning of life is too lead your life normally which you'll be judged weather your good or evil, sending you to either heaven or hell.

If there isn't a god, well then I guess the whole point is too lead a long and meaning full lif, survival of the fittest, but if there wasn't any god, you wouldn't need to waste all your time being nice to people. :p

cashman 31-08-2005 12:52

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no contest in my book! believe in god, not really religious, think it don,t matter how you live your life= good,bad, indifferant. believe that when he pulls your clockcard thats it-goodnight vienna.

harwood red 31-08-2005 14:23

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I have a belief in god but I think the comment of if there wasn't why waste time being nice to people is probably the daftest comment I've heard in a while. So does that mean all athiests go around being plain nasty???? I believe we should live life to the full and treat people the way we would want to be treated ourselves

Samael 31-08-2005 14:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by harwood red
I have a belief in god but I think the comment of if there wasn't why waste time being nice to people is probably the daftest comment I've heard in a while. So does that mean all athiests go around being plain nasty???? I believe we should live life to the full and treat people the way we would want to be treated ourselves

I ain't an Athiest, but if there really is no god, then that makes pretty much everything pointless.

garinda 31-08-2005 14:41

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I was brought up as a Methodist, but am now an atheist.

I am always good.:)

JohnW 31-08-2005 14:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by harwood red
I believe we should live life to the full and treat people the way we would want to be treated ourselves

That's a pretty good way to lead your life, but we don't have to be religious or believe in some kind of 'all powerful being' in order to do that. I don't have any religious faith although I was christened into the C of E. It must be really comforting to believe that someone is watching over you and that you are going off to heaven for an eternity when you die. My wife is a christian and despairs of me. She says I will go to hell when I die because I have not accepted Jesus Christ as my personal saviour. She has asked me on many occassions to give it some thought as she finds it difficult to deal with the what she considers will happen to me. However, the more I think about it the more I am convinced there is nothing. None of it has any basis in fact; it is purely a matter of faith. I have great problems with that but my biggest problem is that God is supposed to be a God of love and I am supposed to be one of his children. Well, would you condemn your child to an eternity of hell? We all love our children and no matter what they have done we would not want them condemned for an eternity even though we know that they have to be punished for their misdeeds. But an eternity!!! Not much love there as far as I'm concerned.:(

Samael 31-08-2005 16:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnW
but my biggest problem is that God is supposed to be a God of love and I am supposed to be one of his children. Well, would you condemn your child to an eternity of hell? We all love our children and no matter what they have done we would not want them condemned for an eternity even though we know that they have to be punished for their misdeeds. But an eternity!!! Not much love there as far as I'm concerned.:(

You got it all wrong, God only sends those to hell who do not wish to be with God when you die, also I beilieve you get punished for your sins in hell until all your negativity is gone then you are welcomed into heaven, eternal punishment is bad enough for a god never mind a human.

SPUGGIE J 31-08-2005 16:54

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If the big guy is about then at somepoint in life he will help/influence what you do. Personally, yes he's out and about and as the world has 6 billion plus then it might take a while to visit. You dont have to be of a fix religion to believe :cool:

SPUGGIE J 31-08-2005 16:56

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Me I must be bad as I have a mother in law from the pits of hell so I should be ok when my time comes. :)

Margaret Pilkington 31-08-2005 20:09

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The meaning of Life.......? Well, that's a tough one, but here is my twopennorth.
You have to do the best you can with what you were given, you have to make your mark......and by that, I mean that when you leave this place there should be some good essence that you have been here.....you should help another human if you can, in any way that you can......and if you do, be as modest as you can.
I have no religion but I do believe that there is something better than this life........though I can't tell you what it is.

grannyclaret 31-08-2005 20:10

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samuel.. i am beginning to find that i dont care for your lifestyle very much,, but that is your choice... first you blag your way through life predending to be smarter and cleverer than you are and you cant be bothered to be nice to people, because there is nothing to gain...
why not try to be nice ,you may get a nice suprise ,,and you might find your not so bad after all ..and as for the suvival of the fittest ,it should not be a dog eat dog world...

JohnW 31-08-2005 20:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Samael
You got it all wrong, God only sends those to hell who do not wish to be with God when you die, also I beilieve you get punished for your sins in hell until all your negativity is gone then you are welcomed into heaven, eternal punishment is bad enough for a god never mind a human.

If you read your New Testament, it will tell you that the only way to God is through Jesus Christ. If you do not accept Him as your personal saviour you will not be spending any time in heaven. Where did you come up with this stuff above?

SPUGGIE J 31-08-2005 20:18

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Different beliefs between different faiths leads to different teachings.

Tinkerbelle 31-08-2005 20:23

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mmm what a deep thread .... After studying sociology for the last 12 month I can honestly say it has made me re-evaluate religion on the whole and makes for some 'interesting' conversations with religious people (I sway towards Marxism I'm afraid). Basically I think we are here to pro create and 'that's it' ....... I believe religion is a man made structure to keep people living good lives on earth with a promise of reward when we die (what I good idea, wish I'd thought of it ;)). That doesn't mean that I don't hope there's more than just death, that there's a heaven and I'll meet up with lost loved ones eventually but I doubt it

SPUGGIE J 31-08-2005 20:25

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There are 2 garuntees in life "death and taxes" sums it up does it not.

garinda 31-08-2005 20:27

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I believe in a basic Christian ideal, which to me equates to pure socialism, of treating people of how you would be like to be treated yourself.

As for organised religion, it's happened in every unconnected civilisation since we first dragged ourselves out of the primeval swamp. It's a natural hope that there must be something else.

No offence to anybody elses beliefs, but to me a belief in a supreme life force is just an aid to living, like a stick is to a cripple.

Ashes to ashes, and in my case, dust to quite a big pile of dust.

Samael 01-09-2005 14:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnW
If you read your New Testament, it will tell you that the only way to God is through Jesus Christ. If you do not accept Him as your personal saviour you will not be spending any time in heaven. Where did you come up with this stuff above?

Then I'm pretty damn screwed, cause I bow to no man, even if it was Jesus, why should I bow down to something that is no better than myself? Of course if GOD appeared infront of me I'd be licking his boots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grannyclaret
samuel.. i am beginning to find that i dont care for your lifestyle very much,, but that is your choice... first you blag your way through life predending to be smarter and cleverer than you are and you cant be bothered to be nice to people, because there is nothing to gain...
why not try to be nice ,you may get a nice suprise ,,and you might find your not so bad after all ..and as for the suvival of the fittest ,it should not be a dog eat dog world...

I don't try to make out I'm smarter than I am, I just work on a differant level than anyone else does, infact it's slowly turning my mind inside out making me as smart as a piece of fruit.

I am nice to people, just because I said i don't see the point in it if there wasn't a god, doesn't mean I'm a meany, but then again how can you be nice in a place like accy with the people, I havn't met one nice decent honest person in Accrington yet that's around my age, yeah I understand you adults are but I'm still a teen, how can I be nice when most people are a-wholes, I admit there are nice people in accy but they never think to come out they just stay in all the time.

How can I be nice when you hate all your mates, all me mates are scum all they do0o0 is get pilled up, go clubbin, or s.h.a.g everyday it's the same crap everyday and it's really borin me.

SPUGGIE J 01-09-2005 15:13

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This is an unfortunate part of teen life, their peers first and no one else matters.

Samael 01-09-2005 15:17

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J
This is an unfortunate part of teen life, their peers first and no one else matters.

yeah I agree at like 14 - 16 but now it's takin the mickey, no ones growin up, they still think they can mess around and do the same crap they did when they where 14.

mizzaccy 01-09-2005 15:33

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I know what you mean...but do you not like anyone there???
I thought the meaning of 'mates' was you like them do nearly everything together..have fun.. I know it's hard sometimes but you just have to keep on going!!

garinda 01-09-2005 15:37

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We have loads of great young people on here all from Accy or round about.

I'm not going to show them up by naming them, but a lot of them come in the chatroom and also the Stanley section.

We should never generalise.

JohnW 01-09-2005 15:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Samael
Then I'm pretty damn screwed, cause I bow to no man, even if it was Jesus, why should I bow down to something that is no better than myself? Of course if GOD appeared infront of me I'd be licking his boots.

Again, if you read your New Testament; Jesus is God. Three in one, The Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Might I, respectully, suggest that you read up on some of this stuff prior to making decisions and voicing your opinion with such assured vehemence. ;)

As to your reply to GrannyClaret regarding being nice to people. Treating people as you would like them to treat you is a very good maxim to follow. Many of the teachings in the Christian faith are worthwhile even if you don't believe in any kind of God or the hereafter. If all your, so called, mates (they don't really sound like mates from your description) treated other people the way they would like to be treated, you may find them to be more to your liking. They may also gain some self-respect which, if your description of them is accurate, they seem to be sadly lacking at the moment. However, if as is suggested by the tone of your postings, you wish to be a strong and independant person, don't bow to the peer pressure, do what you consider to be the right thing in your heart and start a new fashion. We need a lot of people to do that in order to put this, rapidly festering, world to rights.:)

SPUGGIE J 01-09-2005 15:38

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People do not want to grow up childhood is care free with no worries so the result is you get small bands of people stay together at the expense of othres. Samael it is a downer but there must be a release someware.

SPUGGIE J 01-09-2005 15:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnW
Again, if you read your New Testament; Jesus is God. Three in one, The Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Might I, respectully, suggest that you read up on some of this stuff prior to making decisions and voicing your opinion with such assured vehemence. ;)

As to your reply to GrannyClaret regarding being nice to people. Treating people as you would like them to treat you is a very good maxim to follow. Many of the teachings in the Christian faith are worthwhile even if you don't believe in any kind of God or the hereafter. If all your, so called, mates (they don't really sound like mates from your description) treated other people the way they themselves would like to be treated, you may find them to be more to your liking. They may also gain some self-respect which, if your description of them is accurate, they seem to be sadly lacking at the moment. However, if as is suggested by the tone of your postings, you wish to be a strong and independant person, don't bow to the peer pressure, do what you consider to be the right thing in your heart and start a new fashion. We need a lot of people to do that in order to put this, rapidly festering, world to rights.:)

How we choose to live and treat others is determined by the society we live in. If everyone followed the New Testement to the letter then we would make no social intergration have no tolerence and have the equivelent of the crusades again (not just Iraq).
:swear8: :swear8: :swear8: :swear8:

JohnW 01-09-2005 15:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J
How we choose to live and treat others is determined by the society we live in. If everyone followed the New Testement to the letter then we would make no social intergration have no tolerence and have the equivelent of the crusades again (not just Iraq).
:swear8: :swear8: :swear8: :swear8:


Sorry, we have to agree to disagree on this one. How YOU choose to treat other people is determined by YOU. I did not suggest that the New Testament be followed to the letter, I suggested that many Christian ideals were good and worthwhile and I sited the one about treating other people the way you would like to be treated as a good example.

grego 01-09-2005 21:04

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I too am an Atheist, but that doesn't mean I'm an horrible person, infact I respect people for who they are regardless of any religous beliefs, I tend to treat other people how I like to be treated and never preach or comment about anyone elses beliefs, I believe that you reap what you sow.

ANNE 01-09-2005 22:36

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Do what you want so long has it harms no one
Including yourself.
Remember what comes around goes around.
I started out has C of E and have tried quite a few different religions.
The above condences my belief into a few words.

Gayle 02-09-2005 18:31

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Wow, this is a really deep topic. I don't have a tremendous amount of time for organised religion but I do think there is a place for specific religious ceremonies - weddings, christenings, funerals, etc as they help to affirm the right messages both within and to other people. For instance, I don't go to church weekly but I would not have felt right if I hadn't had a proper Catholic wedding.

I just try to be nice to people the rest of the time and hope that everyone treats me with the same sort of respect.

SPUGGIE J 02-09-2005 18:54

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Religion is a personal thing which people practice their own way. You do not have to be a church regular to be religious. There are occaisions when a church, chapel, mosque, temple, priest, vicar, iman, lhama whatever but that does not make you a lesser person because you use them at times of joy or sorrow that is part of the remit. :)

garinda 02-09-2005 19:05

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I'm an atheist, but love religious music, everything from Bessie Smith's moving gospel singing to Faure's Requiem, it brings joy into my heart.

I was going to put soul, but of course I don't believe I have one!

chav1 02-09-2005 19:12

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too much bad in the world for what we know as god to exist surely you cant blame it all on the devil

if religion or faith helps you get by or gives you the strength to carry on then fair play to you but ones religeon should be kept to ones self in my opinion

i would say 90% of the worlds troubles are rooted from religion so if everyone kept their faith to themselves and didnt force it upon others maybe people could get along a little better

i have learned that there are 2 things not to talk about if you dont want to end up in an agrument and that is religion and polotics :)

or maybe this is the reality....

Quote:

They recently discovered a smaller scroll hidden in the cylinder
of the first scroll of the ancient Biblical scriptures, believed
to be the actual "first page" of the Bible. When deciphered, it
read:


Copyright (c) 300 B.C. God. All Rights Reserved First scrawling
First-Sunrise-After-Stonehenge-Keystone-Is-Shadowed, 300 B.C.


All beings, places and events depicted in this work are
fictional, and any resemblance to actual beings, places and
events past, present or future is purely coincidental.


WARNING: Some of the actions performed in this work are
dangerous and should only be attempted by professionals familiar
with the action in question.


NOTE: Those tiny points of light in the sky when it gets dark
are called 'stars'. Some of them do blow up on occasion. In no
way should this be construed as a sign that there is, beneath
such an explosion, any form of saviour. Should such a
misconstrual happen, the author will not be held responsible for
the avalanche of arrogance, zeal, bigotry, humanocentricity and
other vile acts which will surely follow the residents of the
planet into time eternal until someone sees fit to erase the
denizens of the world and let the author start over.


DSBN 0-000000-0000-1


Suggested retail: 1 sheep.

Margaret Pilkington 02-09-2005 19:17

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Garinda...of course you have a soul....every living thing has a soul. You don't need religion to have a soul.

garinda 02-09-2005 19:27

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington
Garinda...of course you have a soul....every living thing has a soul. You don't need religion to have a soul.

I'm a good dancer so I'm told, so perhaps I do have soul.:)

Sorry, bit flippant.:(

chav1 02-09-2005 19:28

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james brown has lots of soul although i cant say what his faith is :cool:

cashman 03-09-2005 00:42

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i,m in a similar camp to gayle i think, don,t go to church much,but felt i had to get married in church,strange really i suppose, but ive been called worse lol


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