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although i gave up recently i started again but i do still think it a disgusting habbit but strangely enough even when i had given up i didt mind a woman that smoked
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:rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: tears have started to flow.
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Well done pilky for giving it another go. Hubby is also trying at the moment.
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Had a look at the "European Convention on Human Rights" and found the only part I think could be relevent to smoking near children is in article 3 "No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment". Wether this would cover it I am not sure but the outcome could be intresting is it torture or inhuman or even degrading.
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I used to be very anti-smoking. Know I am just anti-smoking around people who don't want polluting. After all I don't want my taxes to increase so, good on all you smokers, have an extra packet or two for me.
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Well i've given up smoking for 48hrs.Whats next?Breaking wind and worry about passive methane gases being breathed in.lol
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Just leave smokers alone. All you lot who are going on about it. I bet you all drive the biggest killer of all. The motor car. I feel sorry for the babies in buggies, so low down to the ground they are on level with the exhaust fumes. All you lot that are complaining yet again about SMOKERS,you lie down near the exhaust and you breath in the fumes. And stop flying in the aeroplanes on your holidays abroad. Who do you think breathes all those fumes in. Duh! All we hear is get rid of the fag. Get rid of the cars and use your bikes, and stop polluting the air we breathe. Don't just blame the cigarette. You won't give up your holidays abroad nor will you give up your cars. So why should smokers give up their cigarettes. Come on. Look around..and see just who is really to blame for all this pollution.:mad:
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Wot a load of rubbish Get real. And get a life. Somewhere away from smoke.. fumes..:Banane13: drink etc etc etc:eek:
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This seems to have turned into a smokers v non smokers debate. That wasn't the point of my original post.
I couldn't care less about smokers who do it to themselves, I don't think that all indoor areas should be non-smoking, etc. My point was simply - don't do it near children, and certainly not in the confined area of a car. Adults can choose to move away from smokers or they can choose to smoke themselves, children who are trapped in a car don't have that choice! |
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...and inhale and relax, and I say that to you as a smoker. The thread was about smoking in a confined area with a child/children. I wouldn't do it, and neither would the majority of smokers I know. ....and exhale.:) |
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As much as I agree that children should not be placed in a position where they can breathe in tobacco smoke Gayle isn’t it equally the same not to place them anywhere near a motor vehicle?
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Don't even presume to know me! I have reduced my driving considerably over the last few years when I used to drive everywhere. I walk whenever possible and encourage my children to do the same. We go for regular walks in the country to get real 'fresh' air. I am well aware of the risks of this sort of fumes from car exhausts. We agree on the main point of this thread, we even agree to some degree on your point but please don't confuse the two! |
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OOOh is this post still going?????
Posting a thread like this will insinuate the non smokers verus smokers discrimination war. But as Jambutty has made an excellent point about motor vehicles & pollution lets get real there are far more worse things in our world today than the fag, the ozone layer is decreasing at dramatic rates, changing our climates world wide....ask the south about their hose pipe bans, the stuff pumped out of some vehicles are far more damaging to breathe in - as been said about the young pedestrians...called children not only are they at far more risk of being killed on the roads. I dont drive so dont own such a vehicle but as with the pleasures of smoking the same is done to drivers - highly taxable revenue:D but are anyone having a go at car owners - nope! some cars are worse than others & the chocking black smoke & smell of fumes are far more imposed on people not wanting to breathe it in than from smoking. Again as ive said before to blame everything on the smokers is a soft easy target that are becoming a minority. Anything can be a potential killer!! There are kids still dying of poverty even in UK & other things. So lets get real here!! |
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wot a hot topic! i have to agree that smoking in front of young children is not good for them it does damage ther health. i am a smoker and a mother to a little one as wel and i dont smoke in confined spaces around my child but i have to say ther are other things just as damaging in the great outdoors. My daughter was once stood at my side wen a bus set of and she coughed more of the diesel fumes then she ever has of fag smoke and wot r we doing bout things like that? mmmm not much. so i think im a bit wi accymel on this - not a popular view i bet but come on thers a lot more harming our kids out ther and we need to look at those as well x
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I have never said anything other than smoking in front of children is bad.
No! You won’t argue the car point because you cannot. Tell me again how it is not bad for kids to be pushed along in a push chair or taken by the hand and led around town amidst the traffic with exhaust fumes being pumped directly into their faces. You are right it isn’t equally the same – it is worse. Strange how during the last ten years the incidence of asthma in the young has increased sharply when the smoking population has decreased a lot and there are more cars on the road today than there were ten years ago. Quote:
Guess who will come out if not feet first then at least unconscious. It won’t be me! Real fresh air in the country Gayle? Which country would that be? Antarctica perhaps and maybe at the top of the highest mountain ranges but not down here. This precious fresh air that people keep on about contains 3% less oxygen than it did 50 years ago, with more CO2 plus a vast cocktail of chemicals pumped into the atmosphere from industry and aircraft. You like most other anti smoking brigade are as two faced as they come with their tut tutting when a smoker appears on the horizon, yet will happily jump into their cars and drive away spewing out noxious fumes from the exhaust likely as not straight into some kid’s face. |
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I don't tut tut when a smoker comes along. I am not anti smoking - I don't particularly like it but I've said many times that I couldn't care less what you choose to put inside your body, it's your choice and nothing to do with me. I don't even mind about smoking in pubs because then it's my choice whether I stay or not. My one and only point on this thread is that people should not smoke in cars when there are children about - I think that's cruel.
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least the arguement is better balanced on fume to fume rate!! I take it you haven't lived with an alcoholic???? |
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If, as you say Gayle, you have agreed that there is far more pollution coming from industry, aircraft and the ubiquitous infernal combustion engine than from the smoking of tobacco, when as a politician, are you going to do something about it?
I think that the answer to that will be never. Tobacco smokers were an easy target. Alcohol causes far more misery and deaths to others so let’s start a campaign to ban drinking in public places. No more drunken brawls in our town centres. No more drunken drivers mowing down innocent people whose only crime was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. How many more A&E staff have to be abused by drunken louts with their self inflicted injuries? Any takers? |
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This is very funny. Have a dig at a smoker doing something absolutely ridiculous with a cigarette, that most normal people smokers or not would find deplorable, and you always get one. My step dad is an alcoholic, I drive a car, I don't see what any of the arguments that anybody has written here have got to do with a parent, or responsible adult smoking a cigarette two feet away from a child in a car. She should be punished, It's damaging the child's health, a child's health that she should be protecting. You say don't take a child in to town, don't take a child in a car, don't let them play out on the road, BUT the easiest to avoid doing out of all the things is smoking in front of the child. Could she really not wait TWO minutes until she lit up, or put it out for two minutes.
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If I was a politician that would be a different matter and I would do something about it but even if I get elected I won't be in a position to make a difference to any of those issues. I'm going for local council not parliament! So yes, you're right - never! If you feel so strongly about it what are you doing apart from sounding off about it on here? Have you lobbied your MP, have you written to the Prime Minister, have you got in touch with any organisations that are working to ban cars and transport? |
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I'm sorry but to me this thread is just full of non-smokers and do-gooders bulls**t! Looking back my parents and grandparents nursed me with a fag in one hand and more than likely so did their parents and grandparents! If it had any serious consequences to health I don't think any of us would be here! :mad:
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Taken from an American website
Children and toddlers are the most vulnerable to secondhand smoke. It is found that children whose parents smoke are often infested with some respiratory ailment. It may aggravate children's sinusitis, rhinitis and bronchia, and also make them more prone to minor ailments like common colds and coughs. A 1992 study of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) showed that each year passive smoking causes respiratory ailments in about 150,000 to 300,000 children under the age of 18 months. Taken from Cancer Research site in the UK Children are particularly at risk because they breathe faster than adults and have underdeveloped immune systems. A study by the Royal College of Physicians showed that about 17,000 children in the UK are admitted to hospital every year because of illnesses caused by second-hand smoke. A recent large study of over 300,000 people found that children who were frequently exposed to cigarette smoke at home had a higher risks of lung cancer as adults. Another study found that children in households where both parents smoke have a 72% higher risk of respiratory diseases. Childhood exposure to second-hand smoke had also been linked to a wide range of other conditions including asthma, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (or cot death), childhood meningitis, mental disabilities and autism. |
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I look after elderly people of age 90 and over, that still like to have a ciggy!! 90 years old and still smoking!! NOT bad eh??
But then my dad died of SARCOIDOSIS ( which alot of people will never have heard of) which a severe and very rare chest complaint. He died at age 44 and never ever touched a ciggy in his whole life!!!!!!!!! COME ON!!! when your times up it's up I'm afraid!! |
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Mmmm still avoids the question though, all that you have posted is university statisically guesses not actual facts & only based on assumptions.
Anything can cause the mentioned illness & problems, pollution again is a factor, cancer can be seemingly caused by owt ....even mobile phone masts latest culprit. |
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OK Gayle and over many past generations how many children have developed into healthy little adults even though they've been surrounded by a family of smokers ........... MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS!!
As for cot death, how often are we told as worried parents of a beautiful little baby that cot death is rare! |
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Omg it's not just about the risk to the child, even forgetting all that statistical gumph, It's about RESPECT for the child to be able to breath, while mummy puts the seat belt on. That smokes going straight down it's lungs, it's can't move. it gan't say get away from me your choking me. Sod the do gooders, look at it from that perspective.
Even if she waits till she gets in and drives off, at least she isn't two feet away or less, and she can open the car window. With the hand she's not smoking with of course, look no hands. |
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And in it's eyes. Then there's the risk the kid will grab it, or mummy will drop it between baby and car seat, ouch, that wouldn't be good would it.
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Yeah and once a do-gooder gets their own way by smokers simply not smoking whilst putting the childs seat belt on, next they won't want the smoker in the car at all with the child, then the child in the same house as a smoker! Never ends does it!
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Cars still kill far more children a year than anything else but its ignored to suit the bandwagoners!!!
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Terrorist kill a hell of a lot of Innocent children and people too!!....still letting them NUMPTIES into the country though aren't we!!
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So it should be. you shouldn't smoke anywhere near a child. They can't tell you to bog off outside or go outside themselves. The parent should have gave up, while she was pregnant anyway, and should be quite capable of going to the door or near a window at least. All thats irrelevant here though, TWO minutes it takes to strap a child in and she can't wait till she's in the car till she lights up, the womans a joke. Plus as I've said, when the mothers in the car or at home, she's not two feet away in the close confines of a car, and leaning over the child.
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I bet you lot dont turn away the tax money either that smoking provides the revenue for??????????????
I dont see you saying "its ok Mr Brown we dont want smokers tax contributions" do you? Fags go up more than anything in tax revenue yet you bite the hand that feeds! |
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Cars and terrorists probbably do, but it still doesn't make the actions in the first post any more acceptable to me. Yes it proves most everyday things we do are more dengerous to our children than smoking whilst leaning over them, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable to do it.
What I wanna know is, why is it that every time someone criticises a smoker. why are they labeled a do gooder. out come all the statistics, the digs that no smokers are biased against them, and it's them that should go to place where there are no smokers if they want a smoke free placeThat person may even be a smoker themselves. Why such a deffensive. It's very funny and very entertaining. |
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Not sexist at, all the same applies to daddy. The only reason it says female is that it was a female in the first post.
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mmmmm maybe windup merchants should be taxed & punished too:rolleyes:
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What I am interested in though is whats your opinion on the new smoking laws that will ban smoking from pubs babyboo?
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Well, I was always thoughtful and opened the window when smoking in the car, suppose that's why they got stiff necks and colds regularly. can't win, can you ? :)
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AND!! ............ (Sorry Iwill retract my claws soon) Tell it to the little darlings at 13+ year old that are getting p***ed on their white lightening and smoking their fags that all this no-smoking in their presence was for their benefit! I'm sure they'll appreciate it!
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Nor me and I haven't even got children. Health and safety this that and the other. I don't object to the simple easy to do common sense things that don't really put us out though. A two minute wait for a ciggy is common sense. not smoking in a car at all or house at all is really a different thing altogether and is worthy of debate.
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Yes but we don't know if daddy smokes do we, gayle never mentioned daddy.
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I love this thread!
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It's the best thread we've had in ages, it did make me laugh, it's got more twists and turns than the big one at blackpool.
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I dont know what the congrats on great thread is for other than purely to windup & heatly alienate the minority for the fun of small minded wind up merchants!!
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Anyways ive said absolutely all i can on this thread as has everyone else apart from repeating myself which is a waste of time so the thread is now dead & burnt out as far as i can see!!!:D
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Well actually gayle only started it, it's your input thats funny, that you get from someone that can't be bothered to spark up, to car exhuast fumes, dangers of kids being in cars etc etc. Your obviously anti-anti-smokers, anyone mentions that you shouldn't be smoking somehwhere thats it's not already banned from, and you've got your list of fight backs ready. regardless of if they're relevant to the place where the person thinks smoking shouldn't be allowed. Those points are only valid in my opinion if someone try's to tell you that you should give up because it's harming you.
I still want to know if babyboo thinks banning smokers in pubs is a good or bad thing though, bearing in mind that it could cause a drop in trade that could close a lot of pubs down. There's is no doubt that some will go. I see more and more pubs turned in to houses, indian restaurants or even Mc donalds each month. |
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^^^^ start laughing Accymel!!!!:D ;)
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Pms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its even funnier from a bangwagoner eh slinky :D :D
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The original title of the this thread is 'Smoking near children should be punishable' the part I object to is 'the punishable' side of it. That is taking away my freedom to make a concious decision of whether I light up in front of a child or not! |
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I think children being near me when I'm smoking should be punishable!!!
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What i object to is being told what to do by people who think they have the right!!! I am over 21 yrs old im not breaking the law & whats more who gives anyone the right to tell me what i should & shouldnt do unless its made as law!:(
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You may not be in office yet Gayle but you are standing for an official office as a local councillor. That makes you a prospective politician. So if you get elected into office will you do something about the pollution in the atmosphere? I guess not because as you state you won’t be in a position to make any difference. Quote:
My MP has had several communications about my pollution point. Sadly she hasn’t even seen fit to acknowledge receipt let alone actually reply. But what else can you expect from Labour. By the way why shouldn’t I, as you put it, sound off on here? Isn’t that what a forum is for – to put forward a point of view? You sounded off about a young mum strapping her kids into a car with a fag in her gob. I suppose that you lobbied your MP about passive smoking? If we really did breathe pure air without any pollutants all the various studies into passive smoking would have some substance. As it is passive smoking can only be a probable cause to respiratory diseases. Science is not infallible. |
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Yup, i think smoking near children is bad i have 3 children i smoke in the kitchen out the way of them but my oldest daughter smokes aswell it is bad but id rather her do it infront of me than behind my back:rolleyes: |
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I've not repeated anything, perhaps you should check back to see if you have. You obviously don'y realise that you have.
I haven't presumed everyone who has an argument is anti-anti, I haven't even said that the anti-anti's arguments are wrong, because a lot of the time they're right. I've just said that most of the arguments in this thread have little or nothing to do with smoking while strapping a child in to a car seat. Jambutty for examole wants cars banned. The punishable side shouldn't come into it because a responsible parent wouldn't do it for reasons which have nothing to do with long term health and more to do with common sense. A child near you should be a punishable offence, so if you went near a child thats in a car in a car seat, thats the childs fault for going near you. You bring an interesting point slinky which would it rather be a stressed out person getting very annoyed towards a child or least being calm having a cig.......... You NEED a ciggarette to cope with your own child? you need to choke them, doesn't that just make them cry? ah you mean the smoke calms the child, like bees, got you. Jam butty, you haven't really asked your mp to ban cars have you?, and you wonder why she hasn't answered. God help you if you get in gayle, you've got all this to look forward to lol. |
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Im a parent madhatter you aint so you cant possibley comment can you really as you aint a parent!!
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I have suggested to my MP Madhatter that the smoking ban was a hysterical knee jerk reaction to the anti smoking lobby but passive smoking was not the complete picture. I got no response about Fluoride or folic acid either.
And yes I did expect a reply or at least an acknowledgement of receipt. It’s called common courtesy. I don’t recall stating that I want cars banned Madhatter. So be so kind as to not put words in my mouth. What I did say is that the infernal combustion engine causes more atmospheric pollution than tobacco ever did so targeting smokers and not vehicles as well is hypocrisy in the extreme. So not being a parent disqualifies Madhatter from having an opinion on this issue does it accymel? Wow! Big Brother is closer than I thought. |
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It doesn't disqualify him but he cant truelly appreciate what demands of being a parent is until you are one!!! Im sure even us parents had quite a view of how to parent before we had our darlings & how we'd be & how they turn out how we wouldnt be like our parents at all mmmmmmmmm quite a different story when you have them though, nobody can truelly comprehend the responsibility & difficulty until you have your own:rolleyes: Didn't realise a non parent can tell a parent how to bring up children [oh so easily] ...or mind you why not im getting told how to run my life by the non smokers brigade:( |
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I haven’t got a horse so I have no idea what you are chuntering on about accymel.
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Who is your M.P. Jambutty, Janet Anderson?
When I've had no reply to a question, which I didn't last year from Conservative candidate James Mawdsley, I found as soon as I mentioned I'd posted about the lack of response on a local forum, my questions were answered pronto, ableit unsatisfactorily. |
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Yes that’s her garinda but she is my MP be default. I didn’t vote for her.
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Sorry, thats the way it reads with the quoted text, I was being a bit sarcastic,but I think you know that. Mp's are very ignorant and will even go to extremes of hiding e-mail addresses to avoid recieving. Of course it was a knee jerk reaction. It's a knee jerk reaction that goes to far to quick, and will affect peoples lives, some because they smoke, others because their main trade smoke.
Just because I haven't got children doesn't mean I don't know whats right and wrong or practicle and unpracticle. I don't need to be a parent to know that smoking while putting a child in a seat is wrong, and not doing it is not going to be impracticle. Also just because I don't have children doesn't mean I haven't had experience of being around children. I've lived in a house with someone who has 4 children. |
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Sorry, thats the way it reads with the quoted text, I was being a bit sarcastic,but I think you know that. Mp's are very ignorant and will even go to extremes of hiding e-mail addresses to avoid receiving. Of course it was a knee jerk reaction. It's a knee jerk reaction that goes to far to quick, and will affect peoples lives, some because they smoke, others because their main trade smoke.
Just because I haven't got children doesn't mean I don't know whats right and wrong or practical and unpractical. I don't need to be a parent to know that smoking while putting a child in a seat is wrong, and not doing it is not going to be impractical. Also just because I don't have children doesn't mean I haven't had experience of being around children. I've lived in a house with someone who has 4 children. |
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm being in a house full of children not of your own is much easier mate, try having them on your own 24/7 ..everyday 12months a yearr for at least 18+ years or better still till you snuff it then tell me different!
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How do you know It's much easier, you don't know what the children are like or how long i stoped there, how many hours, days, or if I had to look after them on my own, and I'm not going to say.
If I wanted to try it I would have had my own, if you don't like it or can't cope perhaps you shouldn't have, not that I believe for one second that thats the case. what you've put above makes it sound like you think of them as a burden that are unwanted hardwork for the rest of your life and you get nothing in return. Stop making things sound worse than they are just to make me look like i don't know how difficult being a parent can be. I do, thats why I'm not one. |
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