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Opologies for using shorthand text, i did not realise that it was not allowed in this forum as its quite acceptable on other forums i have membership with [as it saves time], although i'm now aware, it will not be a problem :) in the future just have to made sure i check before i send:cool:
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Grammar & spelling are another thing though, not all of us are strong with english literacy and also consider dyslexia which is a common problem and something being of discussion on tv and the papers. Even a personal computer is not always correct on grammar and spelling certain words either. I think it could be unfair on those who find literacy hard and could lack their confidence if expected to spell or 'fill out words' that can be quite acceptable english to be shortened, for example = e.g or tho instead of though, accy instead of Accrington & ossie instead of Oswaldtwistle which can be quite tricky. Plus i dont think people want to be pointed out for spelling or gramactical errors as long as that person is understood that is the main thing:) and we all made hiccups/errors/mistakes sometimes even me. My point is what is acceptable to be shortened to the point of not being classed as text?? no im not justifying my own posting of text just claryfying point of confusion and worry that other posters could have over this matter. Not all of us has had a masterclass by Paul Burrel. |
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I totally agree accystanmac I find it awful when some of the more eloquent posters make snide jibes at the less literate. Message boards should be for everyone to enjoy regardless of their skills in the written word. I have noticed a few who make regular spelling or grammatical errors and would never dream of bringing it to their attention ...... why should I and what right do I have to pull people up on literacy? I know at least one member on this board that would probably become more active with his postings but fears ridicule over his dyslexia ...... that doesn't seem fair to me :(
Just remember one thing we are all good at something and yes while some may be good at fluency on this forum without a doubt they will be lacking in other areas! |
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Textspeak, the substitution of onomatopoeic letters and numbers for actual words, is fine in mobile text messages, I have no problem with it there. Moreover it is usually employed between people who have a mutual understanding of the abbreviations used, so the sense of the message is easily conveyed and understood.
When textspeak is used on a forum like this, where the readership is spread across many countries and the age range of members varies from children to senior citizens, it can cause considerable difficulties and many readers just skip on to the next message without bothering to read the one written in textspeak. Everybody's contribution to the forum is equally as valuable and I would hate to think that people are posting valid comments and observations that are going unread. Since the messages we post here are read around the world, surely it makes sense to make sure that they are as clear as we can make them. I appreciate that not all members are as fluent in the written language as they might wish to be, that is an unfortunate but inescapable fact of life, but I believe that it is also one of the great strengths of this forum that even those members who have only a passing acquaintance with written English are nevertheless given a fair and equal hearing. I think that where errors of grammar or spelling are pointed out, it is done more from a wish to be helpful rather than as a means of points scoring or a wish to put people down. It may not seem like it at times, when discussion and debate get heated but, generally speaking, everyone is on your side. :D |
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Maybe if it is neccessary to point out gramacticals or literacy do so privately & not draw attention to it on main postings because even tho it may seem helpful the recipiant may not feel like that but to presume his/her own failings to be the problem & will be afraid to post again or will suffer anxiety over his/her postings to which they may feel unable to participate. If its to point of not understanding then if that person takes considerations into account & ask to repeat or explain politely & with respect, im sure it won't be a problem. I don't know about anyone else but i feel more self conscious typing posts correctly.
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Also while we are on the subject what about net talk ie LOL [hopes one doesn't get shot now] n slang or local accent variation words????
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What a fantastic quote Tinks oooppppps tinkerbelle sorry :eek: its becoming difficult
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Sorry Less it took ages for me to write and yes i made some errors but surely even tho im ok with english im spending more time thinking of how to spell and where to put the apostrophes, commas etc losing sight of chatting or the post but now its gramactical content!! - i dont know about anyone else but its hard and very time consuming when not gifted:( Poor delete button is going on overdrive correcting:mad:
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I think you may have a very good point there Tinkerbelle:) , well Accrington Web may not be exciting when nobody posts or theres no one for them to pick on:(
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I myself am guilty of the text speak sin but more out of habit than deliberate intent especially when being involed in some of the threads. Gramactically and with spelling I am pretty poor would not take it to heart if the mistakes where to be pointed out. Yes some people would be offend or as was pointed out have a genuine problem with it. If we keep the local "twang" then it has to be witin reason as we all know the web is far reaching. Common sense should be the judge of what is acceptable in the "twang" as others may not be or unable to understand the meaning or even take offence.
My daughter struggles with some of it even though it is the way I speak along with my side of the family. She speaks Scottish and feels "odd" when her cousins speak with her and they do not understand what she is saying. This may not be the best example but it is the only one I have. Having a go because she cannot speak English is as unfare as her berating them for not speaking Scottish yet it happens. if other forums allow text speak and abreviations then we are showing a better example to all. Let us keep the local part but within reason, we are proberly all guilty of going too far and suffer for it. I must appologise for any errors in this as I am poor with English but will take the ribbing excise being "spent too long in Scotia its bad for written English. |
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so what happens when people type words that i or others do not understand ? do we have the right to complain or post messages belittling them ? because thats what it is at the end of the day whether its meant as that or not, :confused:
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I think most users on here dont mind about spelling mistakes and grammar, this subject as cropped up before, its mainly text speak that is hard to read.
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Great point spuggie to be considered is the fraction of multi lingual and dialectual society does make it hard.
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there ya go again belittling people |
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whats up less cant take constructive criticism ? is it your opinion that counts and yours only ? I THINK NOT .....i along with others are entitled to my opinion, if you dont like it dont read it or respond to it. so in that case b*llocks to you ......END OF STORY....... and mick or any others,if i have caused offense apologies for having an opinion and sticking up for myself |
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Yeah Raver i felt that too .....but its water of a ducks back:rolleyes:
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I was the one who said I have difficulty reading some posts when the grammar and punctuation are particularly bad. I admit I am as capable as anyone of making mistakes but I do find some things very difficult to read including textspeak.
Someone mentioned dyslexia and as one of my daughters has that problem I was particularly miffed at the suggestion recently by some expert or other that such a condition does not exist. She herself actually finds it harder to read things which have errors in them, including sometimes things she has written herself but she does persevere and tries to do her best to be as accurate as possible for her own sake as much as anyone's. I'm not belittling people who have difficulties but surely you don't really say some of the things in th AliG way in which they are typed by some. (for example "we is" rather than "we are") I do find correct punctuation etc much easier to read from a sentence structure point of view and struggle sometimes with some of the posts when I'm not sure of the point the person is trying to make. There's an example in this thread where I thought somebody meant one thing and then from a subsequent post it becomes apparent that they mean the opposite. I've known arguments to spring up between people when they really didn't actually have opposing points of view but simply misread what was intended to have been written. I don't type very quickly and sometimes I struggle to see what I'm doing, but I persevere and hope that it comes out right. I don't think abbreviations such as Accy and Ossy are objected to by anyone as locally they are very well-known and accepted. Some of our overseas members have queried them initially but once they know what we mean they have no problem. Unfortunately when someone is reading in a language foreign to them spelling mistakes make online translators useless and grammatical errors make it more difficult for them to understand too. I probably do sound too pedantic to some people but I'm just looking at it from other angles and from the point of view of whoever may be reading. Having said all that I hope now that if anyone types something that I genuinely cannot understand for one reason or another they will forgive me for my failings. |
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Im glad it wasn't Less:) Dont worry im not a sheep and i dont get led astray:D
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At the end of the day does it really matter, punctuation, spelling and all that stuff.........as long as people can understand wot yer meanin to say :) is that not how things are today
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and that ladies and gentleman is my last comment on this matter as its now way off topic and its becoming rather tedious |
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OK well maybe a little respect for peoples opinion wouldn't go amiss, without resorting to profanities, regardless of whether you agree with their opinion or not ;) |
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Unfortunately this thread is leading no where! So it’s time to cool off and go have some fun. Sorry folks thread now closed. |
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