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garinda

08-09-2005 10:38

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Originally Posted by KIPAX

move a few stalls and put in market hall... just makes us look like idiots..

No negativity makes us look like idiots, and not utilising something that we have, and have paid for, and isn't being used.

WillowTheWhisp

08-09-2005 10:39

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Originally Posted by garinda

the base isn't all that big, it's top heavy.
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It had a sort of garden thingy around the base which I assumed was to stop it being top heavy. Would the top get in the way of the tops of the stalls? (or vice versa). I bet no-one from the council has done any measuring. If they really wanted it up they would have.

garinda

08-09-2005 10:39

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Originally Posted by KIPAX

yeagh theres always an answer..... you go to the council and tell them yer plans garinda :)

back in the real world.........................

Garinda versus the council???

No contest mate, going on past history.:)

garinda

08-09-2005 10:42

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If some dobbin in planning had any foresight,it could have been incorporated into the outdoor market as well, which again is locked at night.

It still might, has the height been checked? I SUSPECT NOT.

accymel

08-09-2005 10:42

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Only only problem with the arndale clock was if they did different things inside the globe when it opens & replaced some of the figure cos they looked a bit worn but other than that kids upto the clocks removal loved to stop to see it:)

accymel

08-09-2005 10:45

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Originally Posted by garinda

They have the Jubilee clock outside the jewellers near the bus station which is visable enough & was another anticipated replacement of the original bus station clock.

garinda

08-09-2005 10:52

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It was a great piece of design, and people of all ages loved it. A much more acceptable piece of public art than subsequent proposals.

It's our's, it's rotting away unseen and I'm sorry Kipax if I was in charge yes I would find a solution.

It's nearly as scandalous as the statues from the top of the Market Hall removed for cleaning, and vanished for six years. I was keeping my eyes open to see if they appeared in anyones garden. After a public out cry, thankfully they were put back in their rightful place.

WillowTheWhisp

08-09-2005 10:58

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Yes it IS scandalous that it's rotting away in a cellar. It's such a waste after all that was spent on it to purchase it.

The "band" inside are supposed to be playing "Rock Around the Clock" which was probably lost on some younger folk.

The open market isn't such a good idea although it is locked at night it's also locked on non market days - but worse than that it is open to the elements and this is one clock which needs to be under cover and protected from the weather.

By gum this is a thread wander and a half isn't it?

MUMMIBOO

08-09-2005 11:01

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Has anyone got a picture of this clock? Its just ive never seen the clock but would like to because all this discussing may mean i might never get to see it either.

accymel

08-09-2005 11:04

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Yeh Garinda & the clock was part of the Arndale when it was opened - no doubt Ken Dodd tickled it with his tickling stick :rofl38: & should still be part of it now albeit a little spruced up & probably the cheaper option.

WillowTheWhisp

08-09-2005 11:07

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There are pics of it in the original thread. I'll have a look for the ones I took.

WillowTheWhisp

08-09-2005 11:20

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Just found those two pics on the old thread where I was comparing the photo in the Observer to one that I'd taken of the clock - same photo and no credit from Observer to say where they'd got the pic (ie lifted from AccyWeb!)
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3257&page=10&pp=15

Something else however, which I find more disconcerting is that in the letter from the old Arndale manager to KIPAX he states that the Arndale Centre owns the clock. Hence my concern for the clock's very existence now that the centre has changed hands.

Also, it isn't down to Hyndborg BC to resurrect it if the thing is owned by someone else.

garinda

08-09-2005 11:29

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If it isn't owned by the Borough, but the company that owns the Arndale, that's fair enough. It wasn't made clear from Kipax's comments.

Why on earth was the siting of it in other places looked at then in the first place, away from it's original site, if it's privately owned?

It doesn't make sense.

KIPAX

08-09-2005 11:33

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keep looking in the thread.....its up to HBC to find somewhere for it ..its theres now... unless i get my crayons out garinda then i cant make it much more clear :)

accymel

08-09-2005 11:33

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It seems they have more money than sence!!

KIPAX

08-09-2005 11:34

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Originally Posted by accystanmac

It seems they have more money than sence!!

who? lost me....

accymel

08-09-2005 11:36

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Originally Posted by KIPAX

who? lost me....

Whoever now owns the clock & whoever now owns the arndale

garinda

08-09-2005 11:40

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Originally Posted by KIPAX

keep looking in the thread.....its up to HBC to find somewhere for it ..its theres now... unless i get my crayons out garinda then i cant make it much more clear :)

Why is it up to HBC if it is in fact privately owned by the company who owns the Arndale?

If it is, then they should act and show some initative and gummtion and utilise it, rather than saying
'Oh dear, it's so compicated, my brains hurting.'

Anyone any spare HRT for Mr Kipax, I think he's having a hot flush, must be his age, bless.;)

MUMMIBOO

08-09-2005 12:32

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That is a very nice clock and i can now see why you all want it back!!

KIPAX

08-09-2005 12:41

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unfortunatly not everyone agrees on its buety... i dont so much.. but i do know it was an accrington thing that people related to and kids watched in wonderment as the petals opened and the show was on..

but what i least like about the whole thing is that it was taken down without any consultation with the people of accrington.. thats doesnt seem right at all to me...

KIPAX

08-09-2005 12:44

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Anyone any spare HRT for Mr Kipax, I think he's having a hot flush, must be his age, bless.

oh well.. only trying to help... silly me.. leave you to it.. i am sure the council will welcome your half cocked attempt at raising the clock and having it fully working in the middle of the market...you do realise it open up yes? someone doesnt wind it up every night..

WillowTheWhisp

08-09-2005 13:25

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Originally Posted by KIPAX

but what i least like about the whole thing is that it was taken down without any consultation with the people of accrington.. thats doesnt seem right at all to me...

Fully agree that it's a shame no-one was consulted but I suppose the Arndale bods felt they had the right to do whatever they wanted as it was owned by them. The explanation for removing it initially was that it had ceased to work properly - but it could probably have been fettled easy enough by the creator.

I am a bit confused as to why it became HBCs responsibility to find it a new home. Do we know who actually paid for it in the first place? Maybe the new Arndale owner could be persuaded to consider doing something constructive with it.

KIPAX

08-09-2005 13:32

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At some point or another by letter , fax or phone.. someone (I think the arndale manager) told us that they will give it to HBC and have already told hbc.... if they can find somewhere to put it... Greg Pope confirmed it.. Its all a bit hazy but I am sure its in the old thread...

WillowTheWhisp

08-09-2005 13:34

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Ah but that was them there OLD Arndale owners. Can we be sure the new ones are of the same mind? I think I might try dropping them a line.

yerself

08-09-2005 14:04

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Fully agree that it's a shame no-one was consulted but I suppose the Arndale bods felt they had the right to do whatever they wanted as it was owned by them.

Willow, haven't you said in the past that you own a caravan near Morecambe? If you wanted to sell it or replace it would you consult the population of Hynburn? No. So why should the owners of this horological monstrosity consult the good citzens of the borough regarding their plans for it?

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Originally Posted by Kipax

Unless someone comes up with a viable place to put it then its gonna stay dead.. thats how it finished... no one could come up wiht a place for it where it wouldn't get vandalised at night

Whinney Hill Tip.

WillowTheWhisp

08-09-2005 14:49

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Originally Posted by yerself

Because the good citizens of the borough seem to recall being responsible for the original expenditure but I could be mistaken. Perhaps the Arndale owners bought it originally after all. To you it may be a monstrosity but others grew quite fond of it and were dischuffed at its disappearance.

Actually if I wanted to dispose of our caravan I might consult the inhabitants of the camp site where it is located in case any of them wanted it. I would possibly offer it for sale on AccyWeb too. I wouldn't just abandon it any more than I would abandon anything in that way.

I wonder how many Hyndburn residents prefer the cafe to the clock? As the Arndale owners presumably want us to go in there and shop then what we like or don't like does have some validity.

WillowTheWhisp

08-09-2005 14:56

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Hmm, according Andy Plant's website the clock was commissioned by Town & City Properties.

Check this page. :(

Neil	08-09-2005 16:10

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Mr Kipax, please can you quote people showing who you are quoting. It is hard to follow when you don't.

SPUGGIE J

08-09-2005 17:22

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Willow I would take the clock as it was unique. How many shopping centres built at the time (no pun intended) say that they had a piece of funtional art in the place. any shopping centre can have a cafe but musical clocks that was something to be proud of. :D

garinda

08-09-2005 21:48

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Originally Posted by KIPAX

Your input is as valid as mine.

Like you said in another thead, in a bitchin' contest you wouldn't stand a chance, I found the crayon comment churlish, that's all.;)

As for the aesthetics of the design, yes it's open to a difference of opinion, but as someone who has spent more than half my life in design I do think if fulfilled it's brief.

I overcome silly obstacles, not falter at the first hurdle just because my shoes hurt.:)

WillowTheWhisp

09-09-2005 10:05

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This is just a suggestion but on the subject of the clock what about this development thingy that HBC are proposing behind Scaitcliffe House?

Yes, I know behind Scaitcliffe House isn't exactly on public view but it sounds like they want to make it a feature area and the idea of the lodge with piers for fishermen sounds a bit like my one time wish to have a sort of countryside on town type picnic area in central Accy.

Maybe the clock could be incorporated in whatever they plan to build there? After all I think the Arndale Centre was originally built that height in the middle section in order to accomodate the clock when Old Father Time pedals his bike up the pole so perhaps if we get the suggestion in early enough they can build a purpose built area in the shops they plan for this new development?

Whaddya think?

accymel

09-09-2005 10:14

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What are they proposing behind scaitcliffe house???

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they want to make it a feature area and the idea of the lodge with piers for fishermen sounds a bit like my one time wish to have a sort of countryside on town type picnic area in central Accy

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Tehehehehe they are so funny with their ideas!!!

Though look at the fiasco of Broadway shopping area??? how many times has that been altered be it change of design & the lack of proffessional building work ...... they are digging it up again re laying paving slabs that no doubt lift up again:( again waste of resourses.

mez	09-09-2005 10:39

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i stll think the clock looked better in the arndale where it was .................why can't they have the cafe round it............or add a bit extra on the entrance(broadway end) & stick the cafe there.

WillowTheWhisp

09-09-2005 10:39

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The reason Broadway is being re-paved is due to the temporary location of the market there when the market/bus station area was being revamped. I wouldn't criticise HBC for trying to put it back together again. Nor would I criticise them for trying to improve any area of town. I know we do criticise them a lot but lets give a bit of credit where it's due. It will be nice to have something better than is there at present. (around the lodge I mean)

Neil	09-09-2005 10:43

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Originally Posted by mez

...why can't they have the cafe round it........

Why can't they shut the cafe?

garinda

09-09-2005 10:47

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I presume when the plans were passed it showed how many retail units were going to be incorporated in the Arndale centre, and I can understand from a business point of view that the owners now make more money in rent.

It just seems sad that the seating area and the clock had to be lost in order to make a cafe, when there are still so many empty properties within a couple of hundred yards.

The smoking policy of the cafe, in a smoke free zone still needs a logical explanation as well.

WillowTheWhisp

09-09-2005 10:47

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I suppose the cafe proprietors pay rent to the Arndale so it's a case of finances.

Neil	09-09-2005 10:59

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Originally Posted by garinda

The smoking policy of the cafe, in a smoke free zone still needs a logical explanation as well.

Don't hold your breath on that one.

accymel

09-09-2005 10:59

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To be honest i dont know why the need a cafe ??? theres plenty of nice cafe's around - 2 in the indoor market, then u have your sandwich shops one in the Arndale, surely cant be boding well for them either. I think the Arndale is too small for it & its hard to move about at best of times - just wait on xmas rush.

WillowTheWhisp

09-09-2005 11:05

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WE don't need a cafe. I assume the previous owners of the Arndale felt that a cafe would be of more financial benefit to them than a clock. I think they used the "clock is broken" as an excuse to remove it and fill the gap with a cafe.

garinda

09-09-2005 11:05

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I know we are to have new seats on Broadway, but unless I am wrong, they got rid of the seating area where the cafe now is and there was is only one bench outside Home and Bargain, in the whole of that part of the town centre,madness, and not very friendly for people who may need to sit.

accymel

09-09-2005 11:05

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Originally Posted by garinda

It just seems sad that the seating area and the clock had to be lost in order to make a cafe, when there are still so many empty properties within a couple of hundred yards.

You have a good point there Garinda about empty retail outlets:)

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The smoking policy of the cafe, in a smoke free zone still needs a logical explanation as well.

Well i think thats what the cafe is marketing on although there must be some very desperate rich smokers to go there :wacko8: ....hey & im not one of them:D

accymel

09-09-2005 11:07

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Originally Posted by garinda

Yeh theres one there & outside poundshop or there used to be one there & outside boots poor people have to squeeze just to rest their legs!!

garinda

09-09-2005 11:07

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I'm a smoker but wouldn't feel comfortable sitting there having a fag.

accymel

09-09-2005 11:12

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Originally Posted by garinda

I'm a smoker but wouldn't feel comfortable sitting there having a fag.

Like ive said i do respect smoke free zones & yeh that should be completely smoke free!! My x sis in law worked there for a very short time & it isn't very comfortable anyway its very squished up place to eat nevermind to smoke.

Neil	09-09-2005 11:15

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Originally Posted by garinda

I'm a smoker but wouldn't feel comfortable sitting there having a fag.

Why? You smoked plenty at the Stag. Little Emily is only just getting over the withdrawal symptoms from having nicotine polluted milk for days after the meeting.

garinda

09-09-2005 11:15

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It's nearly as bad as those glass boxes they have at airports for smokers to stand in.

Little kids outside making faces at the funny people in the monkey's cage.

accymel

09-09-2005 11:17

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Little kids outside making faces at the funny people in the monkey's cage

Yeh that cafe is very much like that tehehehe

garinda

09-09-2005 11:18

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Originally Posted by Neil

Why? You smoked plenty at the Stag. Little Emily is only just getting over the withdrawal symptoms from having nicotine polluted milk for days after the meeting.

Strange that, I seemed to remember you and your suprisingly lovely lady, rushed over to sit next to the Rindy milk sourer.;)

Neil	09-09-2005 11:21

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Originally Posted by garinda

Strange that, I seemed to remember you and your suprisingly lovely lady, rushed over to sit next to the Rindy milk sourer.;)

I think she wanted to see if you are as daft in real life as you are online :p

WillowTheWhisp

09-09-2005 11:24

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Originally Posted by garinda

There are four benches around the outside of the cafe. I know because I often sit on the one facing WH Smiths.

garinda

09-09-2005 11:26

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Originally Posted by Neil

I think she wanted to see if you are as daft in real life as you are online :p

She did, and from the lovely comment she left on my blog, she does.

Stop picking on me anyway. Your comments are begining to sound like the equivalent of pulling the pigtails of the girl you really fancy at school, but are afraid to ask her out!

We don't want anymore bother down your street, or Romps to get the wrong end of my stick.;)

Neil	09-09-2005 11:28

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Originally Posted by garinda

We don't want anymore bother down your street

What bother, it's usually fairly quiet around here?

garinda

09-09-2005 11:33

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

There are four benches around the outside of the cafe. I know because I often sit on the one facing WH Smiths.

Thanks Willow, like I said I might be wrong and I was. Just be grateful I don't partronise the cafe and blow smoke over the partition at you.:)

Still think they could have replaced the lost seating on Broadway with more than just the one bench though.

WillowTheWhisp

09-09-2005 11:36

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I'm just wary of sitting on the one facing "The School Bus"/Ethel Austin's because the cafe workers tend to spill things on you!

ANNE	10-09-2005 18:09

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They should just have kept the clock as it was and just worked round it.

SPUGGIE J

10-09-2005 18:12

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That was too easy a solution for them and as usual they did everything they shouldnt do Typical no public imput again.:(

park381

10-09-2005 20:15

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Originally Posted by Neil

What bother, it's usually fairly quiet around here?

:rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38:
Nice one

Margaret Pilkington

11-09-2005 13:10

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I haven't had time to read all of this thread yet, but though this website may have been formed to keep the ex-pats up to speed about what is going on in their home town, it must have always been inevitable that the site would grow, mature, morph...call it what you will.

I have been a member for almost a year and I find the diversity is stimulating......and I'm sure the ex-pats can still find a 'flavour' of what is happening in the locality......if the site was dedicated to purely local topic I don't think it would be as vibrant......it may even have died a death like Hynburnlife.

I love Accyweb warts and all.

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