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Having been part of some ongoing debates on here the past couple of day's........ie; arndale clock..........& the accrington carnival 2007, why has there been no mention of forming a commitee, seems that we are all backwards & forwards on these issues.
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Are the moderators not the committee of a forum?
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[/B]what im meaning is NOT THE MODERATORS,i understand that they look after the site(forum) i mean something like" the friends of rhyddings park" people who would volunteer to look into getting things off the ground & shall i say "fight " to give idea's to h.b.c bout the clock........& find things out ie: costs of hiring (or getting free) equipent for accy carnival, instead of being all over the show, LETS UNITE FOR ONCE, WORK TO-GETHER.
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Would that not be seen as getting a bit clique'e. This was to me a place to chat with/about where I grew up. If you start getting committees etc then I feel it may become a bit formal.
Before you know it it would be AGMs at dawn. |
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thought that was the meets on saturdays? he he
its only a suggestion .............mabe wrong again? |
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I suppose this is an informal committee is Accyweb but forming an official one may put some people off with it being too formal, tho having a thread soley for specific issues like the clock & the Carnival, so that people can still participate at a comfortable level. It will still generate idea's & if someone can do something ie freebies or whatever then they can gladly offer it without all the hassle that a formal committee can pose.
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Sounds like a good idea Mez. Otherwise things never really get followed up do they? It wouldn't be cliquey if the committee(s) reported back to accyWeb regarding progress.
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yes accystanmac you hit the nail on the head so to speak, that is the idea i was thinking of.& no i don't want any part of it, just throw some idea's in now & again.
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We can't all be personally involved in everything (after all some of us aren't local) but if nobody is actually rsponsible for things then everybody tends to end up thinking that somebody else will do it or is doing it.
That reminds me, did anything come of the wrist bands that were being discussed before we went on holiday? |
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Ooh thanks Mez:)
Just that i know that people here would be only too glad to help but the formal committee may put them off proposing ideas & help, whereas specific threads kept for purposes of promoting input & help will generate more. Some people arn't comfortable with official committtees & sometimes tend to be more issues with it rather than the purpose its there for, as entwisi mentioned about clique'e, or modest to come forward to help. |
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Think it helps also to be direct with it rather than go round the houses sort of speak. If people want ideas - then ask for ideas, if u want action for something - ask for it or who will be prepared to take action in whatever, then that way there will be a chance of thing being done or changed. Also this will include ex-pats or not immediately local or those who are limited by circumstances but can offer something rather than hidden away its all open for discussion at any point.
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We would still need to actually appoint people to go and DO though.
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Well I'd rather have people doing and telling than nobody doing anything.
I'm a school governor and we have committees which report back to the governing body as a whole. There are even small "working groups" for specific purposes. Otherwise it wouldn't function. Everybody can't do everything but nobody thinks of the committees as cliques because when they have done their thing then they report back and on it goes so everyone knows what's going on. The appointees/committees could report back on here just as easily. Or we could all sit back and just type away to our hearts content and do nothing. Why don't we ask for nominations for a committee and then ask the nominees if they will accept? Even put it to a vote afterwards if you like just to be sure everyone is happy that they have had input. Of course you couldn't expect people living abroad to have one-to-one dealings with HBC or something like that so it would have to be thought out in a practical way but there's nothng to stop ex-pats from writing letters if they wanted to is there? |
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I am sorry but I just can't see what purpose a committee would serve.
I also think you should be discussing this with the owner of the forum, Roy, before people rush off and form a committee in the name of AccyWeb. |
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I hear what you are saying Willow but really committees require a lot of commitment & time to attend meetings, do minutes etc, not everyone is the position to do that & does have the feeling of exclusion to others, ie using school eg; you have a select few that organise & do these meetings & although changes do happen, as i get letters about things organised there is a limit to what i can do & things dont tend to become knowledge until committee members decide. Our ex pats would feel that they couldn't offer anything or be at these meetings & would have to wait until an edited format was posted on updates of discussions, so it does exclude them to a point & this is whats been brought up on another thread about making Accyweb & its support available to all.
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OK, let's all do nothing. It's much easier.
I still think you had a good idea Mez but accept that I'm in a minority. |
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Just one quick question though - do ex-pats feel the AccyWeb "meets" are cliquey and exclusive? Does anyone resent Mez for organising them?
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The problem with committees, and I know because I sit on enough of them, is that you often find yourself in a lose-lose situation.
There is no way, with an organisation as big as Accy web that you can please all the people all the time so most of the time people would find themselves annoyed at what the committee was doing in its name. Then there's the committee itself who will end up doing all the work with people shouting at them all the time because it's not what they wanted to happen. |
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Sorry, I shouldn't be negative about it. I wouldn't want to sit on an Accyweb committee but wouldn't object to anyone else forming one. I just wanted to point out the drawbacks.
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Yeh my point exactly there Gayle, I think Mez has brought up the topic but i think she was implying a less official method of keeping it open on here.
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I think it might work if you had a committe for the carnival float, for example. That group could meet to discuss that specific thing and it wouldn't be much of an issue because consultation could happen through threads and then the committee could make the decisions and take action.
I don't think it would work if you had one fixed committee who did all this sort of stuff because that's where the officialdom starts kicking in and causing problems. |
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I just think it's a shame that good ideas slip away because there's nobody actually up and doing. Hence the Arndale clock thing sliding into oblivion. All we ever do sometimes is talk about things and go round and round in repetitive circles. We talk about AccyWeb meets but then Mez is the one who gets up and goes out and organises them. If she didn't we wouldn't have them. Posting about thngs is all very well but some things also require physical actions. |
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Thing is Willow some people are do-ers & some people are creative on ideas its what makes us truelly individual:) I dont think Mez has put herself up for this anyway & twas a discussion of idea's, if people want to do something they do & theres those that dont, its the way of life & its a hard job being a Citizen Smith.
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Have kept out of this until now. No offence to Mez, but I think it's a daft idea, except for the carnival planning like Gayle said.
This is a forum, I think there's already enough infrastructure in place for people that want to make a difference and get things changed. Any organised commitee could never be representative of the members here. Never having being a team player myself, I prefer to do things that I think need addressing under my own steam. Like Willow said, what happened to all the excited good intentions re: wrist bands and ribbons? |
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Wrist band application form was sent in - like I said I would. It takes about 12 weeks for these people to assess funding applications. I did say at the time it would take a while.
Please be patient. |
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You could probably equally argue that no carnival float could be representative of everyone here either so maybe it would be better not to have one than risk upsetting anybody?
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No, but it would have to be ok'd by Roy, and I'm sure that anyone who wanted to be involved would be welcomed. When it come's to political direct action, I think that this is something that isn't really the job of a forum. We are all capable of picking up a phone if something we read concerns us enough to act upon, without having to band together under a non representative banner. |
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See look at the discussion now on this thread if this is how stubbornly divided it is then a committee formed will fall down anyway.
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True, Accystanmac, and I don't want to sound like I'm arguing against myself, which I am as well, but face to face it's easier to come to a decision because presumably there'd have to be a Chair of the committee who would facilitate the final decisions.
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I'd pity the person who got lumbered with the Chair's job - that's a recipe for disaster, they'd become the most hated person around here - and there's a lot of competition for that job already.
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Where do I sign up?? |
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Join the queue!
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So does that mean that you would all prefer things not to be done in the name of AccyWeb?
That probably explains why no voluntary helping the community type stuff ever got off the ground then. |
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Hey i did voluntry work in the community helping schools & CAB, so i think thats quite harsh, its not that people dont do anything for charity or in their community it just means there is no cause for a ruling body to do it.
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Er, accystanmac I was referring to the idea put forward some time ago by one of the members that AccyWeb should "do summat" to help the community as a forum.
I was in no way implying that individual members of the forum don't do anything off their own bat. |
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To put a spin on it another way..... remember the dreaded poll tax?????
Which effected this town as much as anywhere - it was the power of the people whom acted against it to change a nationwide policy - not an organised committee but the power of people as a whole either singulary or as a group in all parts of the country, so do we need a committee to actually change something ???? |
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Im sure people are too glad to help in whatever way they can and do that without expressed pressure from a forum. |
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This is the "volunteering thread I was referring to. HERE. Looking back it seems that maybe they handled it all without any outside help or maybe just haven't got around to making contact again yet.
Without Fireman jumping in and starting organising though this idea would never have been put to the rest of us and possible volunteers would have been missed. Nobody had a go at him and said he had no right to suggest doing something on behalf of AccyWeb. Maybe I just don't explain myself very well. I know I said I couldn't do much but I would have done a bit if possible and a lot of little bits sometimes add up to more than one person can do alone. |
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I suppose if it comes down to it then maybe a vote poll to see whether its a viable step for Accyweb to take & moderators would have to be ok for it to happen, but personally i think we are ok as we are for now:)
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Maybe we'd just better leave it all up to Mez to organise whatever needs organising then by way of carnival floats or whatever. She does a good job organising the meets. Neil, are you saying that things like this idea of helping out the school shouldn't be done as a bunch of AccyWebbers? |
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I don't have a problem with a bunch of us doing something, only with alienating other members. I also think the formal nature of a committee might take some of the fun out of AccyWeb. After all it is a pretty chilled out place usually. |
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Maybe "committee was the wrong word then. I interpreted Mez's idea as "let's do something instead of just wittering on about it" and maybe preferring to have helpers rather than it all being left to her. Then again I could be wrong.
Mez isn't a moderator but she's a darned good organiser. |
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sigh.....like headless chickens you lot ..
for example... Accy Carnival Someone needs to fill in the forms to take part. Someone need to get the lorry for the float Someone need to organise who does what and when to make the float...this has to be well organised Who makes the float.. who goes on the float on the day... who pays for stuff.. who does what? The way of the world is............. Someone has to take charge........ But wiht big projects that one person cant do it on there own so needs helpers... .call it a committee, call it the mafia..call it susan if you want...... but it would need doing.. or you can sit here arguing until the next carnival passes by... at least you can wave to it without falling over yourselves wondering who does what :) These are just my observations... I will be heavilly involved with a float for the supports club again so cant put time into this... but I do know it does take organisation and leadership.........if you want to do something or make a difference.. you ahve to be organised... simple as that |
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Hey are you ready to fall over backwards with shock KIPAX? :eek:
I agree with everything you've just said! :D |
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It's not a case of people being pressured into anything. I'm sure that was never the original intention. People don't have to do things in the name of AccyWeb, it was simply that at one time a member suggested that because we are such a varied group of people with a variety of skills and abilities then perhaps as a group we might be of benefit to someone else even if all some of us could do would be brew up whilst the others did their more skilled thing. A bunch of people together like that, working together in harmony can acheive a lot more than they possibly could individually. For instance, just making cups of tea with nobody to drink them would be pointless but making them for people who were working on something would be appreciated. Also the ones doing the other jobs could then get on with it and would probably be thankful for the cup of tea or whatever. some of us might be skilled and some of us might be better as labourers. But as KIPAX says, even the simplest of things need some sort of organisation to get them off the ground in the first place. Take this carnival idea. OK, so we can all post to volunteer what we've got to offer - but who are we offering it to? |
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Then a vote should be the order & work from there is the only way to move forward on this thread & see what the results are & think people are just concerned that it will effect the groups harmony & unsure as to what exactly it entails, whether a group of organisers or a committee, though committee does sound more formal & that is what people are reading into.
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Well let's call it a "Susan" then. I'll leave you to sort out the finer details.
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At the end of the day someone has got to become somesort of figurehead it's only a name not a rank but just someone who can co-ordinate the efforts of all those who wish to be involved, otherwise tasks will be duplicated, tasks will be overlooked etc.We have more than enough skills in the people on this site to overcome all these problems. Maybe a short chat at the next meet would go a long way to sort out an organising forum with a common goal to put Accy Web on the level it should be within the local community.
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i thank you kipax personaly for your in put, i think people will now have got an idea of what it takes to organize something as big as a float in the carnival. some good ideas on as well.
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I personally wouldn't be happy to turn the forum into some kind of politcal lobbying body, that's not what I enjoy about this forum. |
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I'm quite in agreement to use the forum as a means of gathering skills people may have to offer.
In regard to the carnival idea, me and my sewing machine are at your disposal.:) |
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G had you down as the main attraction:D
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Perhaps first a poll could be done to get an idea of the general agreement/disagreement.
If Mick's 50th Birthday bash is any thing to go by then the sorting of Accy Carnival will be a peace of cake. Start off with the two people I know with the biggest dedication to Accyweb that I know appart from Roy and thats Mick and Our residential Mother hen. Has all people are free to go to the meets and are welcomed with open armes. All people will be free to help or not. |
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OK, Mick & Mez, looks like you're in charge of organising things. :)
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Were they nominated and seconded, and have they been passed by the commitee? Lol.;)
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I ACTUALLY STATED IN THE 8TH POST THAT I WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, AS FAR AS THE ORGANIZATION GOES............ I WILL TAKE PART, BUT PREFARE TO STAY IN THE BACKGROUND ......AS IT WERE,THANK YOU BUT NO THANK YOU, I THINK GARY IS A GREAT LEADER, AS ARE MOST OF YOU , IF YOU TRY!
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Lol, that wasn't a dig at you Mez, like you said I was refering to the fact like you said you didn't even want to be the organiser.
Perhaps nearer the time perhaps after Christmas or something, anyone who feels able to offer their services, or indeed take part could post their services, or intended involvement. Like I said, if I could help behind the scenes in anyway, regarding making costumes or help desinging the float, I would happily do that. |
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I'm not good at much but i would be willing to help out in anyway i can.
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We can all offer our services, but who will we offer them to? BTW don't get the idea that I want to be on a committee, just want to know who to report to or take advice/instructions from. |
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It should probably be up to Roy, and then through his moderators, if he wants a carnival float under the banner of Accy Web, and then perhaps post looking for volunteers.
Since apparently Mez, Willow and indeed myself wouldn't want the orginisational hassle, perhaps another member would relish the task. |
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My only skill is brewing up not much help in this case though.
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If Ican be of any help Then I will .
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