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Tell me if I am wrong but I think John's post was a bit of a rant at the people who, he feels, are ungrateful at Americas contribution to the world over the last 60 years?
Apart from items 1 and 2, I am fine with your suggestions. People are not ungrateful for WWII efforst of America. Just dont claim all the credit. Sadam is a different matter.... All people want is for America to help when necessary like everybody else does. The oil suggestion is as inworkable as the author probably knows, and Alaska should be left. America uses more oil per capita than any other country in the world. And is rightly critized for this. Yes, I know I put a 'z' in critised and I am ashamed of it. Good thread though, we need more of em like this. Cheers... |
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What about the right to free speech.
Will that right be kept?' ;) |
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To George Saint
Spot on George with your first paragraph. Hell, I know America is far from perfect but whatever it does it's always wrong. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. I don't think that America has ever considered they won WW2 alone, with the exception of some of our friends in Hollywood with acute imaginations and, unfortunately, a worldwide and gullible audience. However, I cannot take credit for being the 'author' of the piece. That has to go to Robin Williams and perhaps I should have credited him in the original post. I was remiss and hope that this puts that to rights. I have not seen you post before George, welcome. To Entwistle, Just so you know, I'm a Brit, so I am not a 'colonial' who has never left America's shores. I agreee, WW2 was going a fair while before America (not we) joined in. However, I think without the plethora of supplies coming over the mighty pond prior to the troops arriving, we (The Brits) would have had a much harder time containing Herr H. There is more than one way to give help and they did. European countries plundered every continent and colonised them as we all well know. It's far too late to give the land back to the Apache and the Sioux. However, you are correct, America does try really hard to integrate people from all over the world into its society. Hence the greencard lottery. It has far more than one redeeming feature as you are also well aware. I think there would be much more of an oil surplus than India and China could take up in the short term don't you? They're not like our 'two car +' family countries. With regard to your 'contributions per capita' paragraph, I would be interested to hear where you get your figures from. I was of the opinion that there are more dollars leaving these shores, both private and governmental, in the name of charity than any other country in the world so I'm not quite with you there. Also, there are only around 260M people in this vast country. Maybe you would care to expand on that. I stand to be corrected if I am wrong on that one. In France, they do ignore you if you request a coffee in any other language but theirs. So both Americans and Brits are in the same boat there eh? :) ;) |
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How are we supposed to have peace when there seems to be handbag fights in the mid atlantic. Out in the world art present is a minority of radicals that are intent on destroying our way of life yet the argument seems to be about colonial indiscretions and war. If it wasnt for the marshal plan and the Americans redistributiion of the wealth they found they had we would be in a mess. Europe would not have been rebuilt nore would we have the trade we do end result we would have proberly have had our butts kicked by the radicals.
It does not matter wether the problems we have today are the outcome of the colonial carry on though they proberly are we need to fix them. If we dont are we going to have to live like they have in Northern Ireland for the last 30 odd years? If we want peace we need to work on it and not give up trying as the more we bicker the more we play into the hands of the radicals. Should we give up on this then it would be like the middle ages again with all the misery that entails. |
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Just a question, if Britain and the United States has such a special relationship, why is it that residents of the UK aren't allowed to enter the green card lottery, yet if you are Irish you can do??
By the way, I love American literature, everything from Truman Capote to Brett Easton Ellis, though the last good American main stream film, was produced in the 60's.:) |
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Not the same Irish Americans that supported the freedom fighters in Ireland?
Namely the IRA. The same freedom fighters who were committed to a sustained terrorist campaign on the mainland UK, that resulted in the deaths and maiming of innocent men, women and children? Like nooooo way. |
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Having worked in the USA for two months of the year for a decade I really struggle ordering coffee in America. "Gee, can you say that again you just sound like the Queen.":eek: |
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Tell them bohemian rapsody and you are a staunch supporter of a british republic.:D
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Thanks for the welcome John. Like I say, interesting thread. Im currently in a muslim country and am learning that all America preaches isnt always the right way. So I was just playing devils advocate.
Im tempted to play the Kyoto card, but maybe that should be for another day! |
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I do believe that America and Britain have a special relationship and I also believe that, contrary to popular opinion in Britain, the American people cherish that relationship. The average American would be mortified to hear the amount of critisism that is directed at them from the people who, they believe, are their greatest and most loyal allies. I know that American foreign policy can often leave a lot to be desired, however, so can the foreign policies of most of the powerful countries of the world. People here are very split over the Iraq war but I often wonder how much of the critisism we hear internally is just political posturing. I really do not believe you can judge a people by their government. I myself stand a little right of the centre line, but some of my ideals cross over the line and lean a little to the left. The Democratic party make a lot of noise about what is happening but I wonder how different it would be if they were in power. It never ceases to amaze me that they go on about human rights and the killing of innocent Iraqis, at the same time condoning abortion. Please don't get me wrong, I think there are circumstances where abortion is a reasonable option. I also believe, that in the fight for democracy, innocent people will die and there are certainly innocent Iraqis dying because they wish to visit the polling booth. Of course, we all know it is not that simple and the different tribes seem to be determined to wipe each other out on good old religious grounds. Let's face it, the world is in one hell of a mess, it certainly isn't all the fault of America and Britain. It is my considered opinion that Britain and America would do well to foster their special relationship. It has advantages for both sides and I also believe that the average American has far more love in their hearts for the average Brit than do most of our so-called, European partners. :engsmil: :engsmil: :engsmil: |
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Europe is jealouse of the relationship John hence there disire to become a federal set up so they can rival the States. At least it works 98% of the time overthere which is more than can be said for the EU who have too many national differnces for it to work.
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