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What the bloody hell is going on up there? I read in todays Observer that some character running an outfit called the "Ossy Community Church" is turning a disused factory into a hostel for ex-cons & crackheads. Not only that, no planning permission has been applied for and no formal discussions have been undertaken with the council. In fact, its worse than that...a systematic attempt appears to have made to cover up the entire project to the extent that Crime Tsar Hayes had to infiltrate a meeting in disguise to discover what its all about.

The man who is responsible for this is some joker by the name of Jackson, who is a "leader" of this so-called church. I have no doubt whatsoever that this is one of these happy-clappy touchy-feely lesbo & gay establishments. I've no problem with that, although personally my idea of a good churchman is someone who argues his case armed with a pint and a ciggy at the bar, rather than twanging his guitar from the pulpit. What I do object to, though,are these people attempting to set up an alternative criminal rehabilitation scheme while conspiring to keep the local people in ignorance. I do hope the good people of Ossy give short shift to the entire caboodle.

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Perhaps the London edition of the Observer is different? It didn't say in my paper that they are going to turn a disused factory into a hostel, it was quite clear that's just the place they held the secret meeting, about mooting the idea about prisoner resettlement for Christians after they have served their time.

The church is happy clappy in the fact that it's not high church Anglican, but I'm afraid you're wrong once again, like most Christian fundamentalists they are about as 'lesbo and gay' friendly as a hog shooting party in Alabama.

Though I admit the reason that it was held behind closed doors by invitation only, was worrying.

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Apparently they've applied for planning permission to make one of the large houses on Rhyddings St into flats - I believe it was refused.

I'm torn on this - on the one hand it's not very Christian to turn people away who are reformed criminals if they have, indeed, reformed, but I really don't like the apparent secrecy aspect to this.

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Reformed criminals should be given every chance to intigrate themselves back into society, although like Gayle the secrecy, and press ban was worrying.

We already have lots of 'hotels' in the town, ie: large houses that gained planning permission to become hotels, but are in fact just money makers for their owners, and that have become doss houses for active drug addicts.

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Best thing he's ever said.:)

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Well like Gayle I am also torn on this. I too believe in re-integration and rehabilitation, just not on my doorstep. I realise it has to be on someone’s doorstep, so it would appear that I, and a lot would agree with me, am a hypocrite, well I can live with that.. I really do not want hard ex-criminals in the vicinity of my children or my family & friends and our homes, we sometimes attend the Hope centre, and live extremely close to the proposed building that they have applied for planning permission for TWICE, so there's no doubt they are serious about this building and the next stage will probably be appeal.

I am extremely worried at the cloak and dagger approach to the meeting; it just proves to me that they are fully aware of the public interest/concerns it IS going to raise. So maybe it would have been better all round if it was out in the open from the beginning.

Further more I shall have to seriously consider whether my children should attend the centre unaccompanied until we have a full picture and know just exactly who is to be integrated here, what sort of a parent would I be knowing there could be a risk. After all I wouldn't give them a knife to play with or take them in the car without a seat belt on. This may seem a little extreme to some but I have to live with myself and my conscience. At the end of the day scaremongering or not, my families safety is paramount.

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Best thing you've ever said as well, what's going on??:)

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.............................. :D

It's the secrecy that I also, find disturbing. If everything is above board why the press ban? Why did Cllr Doug Heyes have to sneak in using someone else's invitation? The last thing we want is someone else criminals. We have enough of our own.

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It's a secret code that can only be understood by straight people :D

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As in boring? That explains it then.:)

Wasn't the journalist the same one who came on here, under what we though was the pseudonym of Dillon, who Gayle and I quickly uncovered, and he never posted again after his personal attack on Gayle Knight?

He really should try a better disguise. I'd have got in if I'd have so desired.

At this rate he's never going to have that deepthroat moment and uncover another Watergate.

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Maybe they're trying to give you a lead.

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Further more I shall have to seriously consider whether my children should attend the centre unaccompanied until we have a full picture and know just exactly who is to be integrated here, what sort of a parent would I be knowing there could be a risk. After all I wouldn't give them a knife to play with or take them in the car without a seat belt on. This may seem a little extreme to some but I have to live with myself and my conscience. At the end of the day scaremongering or not, my families safety is paramount.[/QUOTE] restores my faith in humanity your comments romps - agree entirely with EVERYTHING you said :cool:

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Lead? Was that a typing error?

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No, take it whichever way suits you best.;)

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I understood every word and I totally agree with you...........................:D

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are you going dotty tea?? :D

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I did. That's what education and the fact that I'm always right, and can back up my arguments with facts, does for you.;)

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I have not had time to read any of this thread, but the title certainly caught my eye. Mr T, Sir; that is hell of a piece of alliteration! :D

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wtf you have all gone mental..At least they are trying to help people and give them a new start....when was the last time you did that???????????????

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Steveo that is very kind of you why do you not offer to put up one off these people in your own home.............

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So you would not mind a child abuser or rapist living next door to you? You would still let your children play outside without worrying if they were being watched. If the person next door was planning how to snatch them.

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Of course I'd mind. But I think the key word here is 'reformed'. Plus, what's worse - having a reformed criminal next door or a criminal that has just never been caught yet next door to you. At least you know what you're dealing with when you have a reformed criminal next door.

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Why don't they just give them their own room and call it Accychat...I've encountered a few lowlifes in there.

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Patronising, pompous twit.

When on earth did you get to be the judge and jury, about the last time people on here did something altruistic.

Two members on here kindly took me to the theatre tonight, and even got me a discounted disabled ticket to boot. All they expected in return was me to be amusing, which I hope I was.:)

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I think it would be bad enough if Social Services or the Probation Service wanted to set up a hostel for ex-offenders. Clearly, people leaving prison need somewhere to live while they are re-integrated into society and these places need to be located somewhere. However, I do not think that a bunch of happy-clappy God-botherers, however well intentioned, are the right sort people to manage people who are as devious and manipulative as some ex-cons can be. To my mind this is a recipe for disaster, and the community should be rightly concerned. I would want to know what qualifications and experience the people running this enterprise had. A personal relationship with Jesus may be all the justification they feel they need but, I'm afraid it doesn't quite cut it for me and is p*ss poor consolation to the victim when something goes wrong.

What makes the situation worse is that this group appears to be trying to be less than open and honest about their intentions and ambitions, which should give us all even more cause for concern; what are they so desperate to hide?

Letters of protest and telephone calls to councillors are called for, I think.

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I knew Brian Jackson years ago & he was working with drug addicts then. I knew a number of ex- cons from Darwen that were helped by 'the Church' who went on to form a Gospel group & travelled the country doing gospel meetings and to my knowledge didn't go back to crime or drugs. That said I too think it was wrong to hold a meeting behind closed doors hoping the people in Ossie wouldn't find out about it until it was too late to raise objections.

Criminals druggies e.t.c can be devious and say what they think you want to hear, my friend took in a family member (druggie) on his release from prison and constantly sung his praises as to how well he was doing.....that is until the police brought him to her house with a bag full of her most precious belongings he had been trying to sell!!!!!!

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I think that was a slightly loaded question. I would rather have neither of them living next door to me. It's all about reducing the risk. We can't do much about the one we don't know about but we can about the so called 'reformed' one. How would you feel about having a 'reformed' peadophile living next door to you? I don't think you would have started the 'How far do you let your kids go?' thread, do you? Just out of interest Gayle are you a member of, in A-B's words, the "bunch of happy-clappy God-botherers"?

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I'm not answering for Gayle, but I seem to recall she posted in another thread that she was brought up as a Catholic but isn't paticularly religous now, so no you can't call her happy clappy Neil.

As well as being ex-cons these people are also Christians, albeit born again ones, and like other people have said also quite clever and manipulative.

I shared a house with someone my godfather took pity on who was a heroin user. I'm happy to say he's now clean and marrried and has a son and lives in Spain. It took a lot of time and money for my godfather to get him to this stage. The lowest point for me was when this person sold our other housemates worldly goods whilst he was on his death bed in hospital. This combination of manipulation and the zealousness of the newly saved could be quite a lethal combination.

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There is definitely something suspicious about any meeting, the results of which would affect the public, being held in secrecy. Some criminals may be reformed and good for them, it's great..... However there are some who will never reform eg, paedophiles.... The mental health services may argue that paedophilia is a sickness for which there is no definitive cure. In which case, how can they be reformed..

I think that it would be important to know exactly the type of crimes and subsequent reforms this group are dealing with. If they are petty criminals then fair enough, but any kind of sex crime, no way......

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I am not calling anyone anything. I was asking thats all.

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That is pretty much how I feel on the subject lettie. That might be the type of people they are wanting to help. We don't know because we are being kept in the dark. That is why we are assuming the worst. As for sex crimes against children, there should be no need for reform. The offenders should be locked up forever until we bring back the death sentance.

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As far as was reported in the press these are petty criminals who funded their drug habits through crime, ableit not very good ones because they got caught.

If these people have now found Jesus and are reformed I wish them well, just well away from here though.

We mustn't forget like I posted earlier, the council gave permission for two large houses to be turned into 'hotels' only a couple of hundredf yards from this church. This place is now basically a doss house for people who in no uncertain terms aren't reformed, either criminally or narcotically.

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Neil, I am frequently happy and have been known to clap after watching a good play but no - I'm not a happy clapper as it's been put. I'm a semi-lapsed Catholic.

I was just pointing out that sometimes it's better to know what you're letting yourself in for and there can be far worse lurking behind closed doors that we're unaware of. An ex-criminal is actually better than a practising criminal.

I wouldn't particularly be happy if an ex-paedophile moved in next door, of course I wouldn't but as I've already said, I wouldn't let my kids play out in the street anyway.

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Its the 'ex' bit i dont like. Like others have said in this thread some criminals are very clever and will try anything including 'finding' Jesus. Maybe I am just an untrusting type person when it comes to these matters. Quite out of character for me to be untrusting.

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It's the criminal bit that I don't like - the 'ex' bit is the good bit.

I'm not disagreeing with you by the way, I'm not comfortable with the whole thing either.

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Ex/reformed/rehabilitated/integrated/cleansed/ at one with God, what ever the label we give them. I still think we have a right to know whos living on our door step. So we can make choices. After all they are getting a second chance, so as law abiding citizens we should definately get the chance to reduce any risks before we need to use a 'second chance'option. i.e. when it's to late,

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Well I was at the meeting,yes it is a little unsettling that journalist were excluded. As for the councillors, well perhaps a little sour grapes?
The meeting was very Christian orientated(as you can expect being held in a church).
Some of the people conducting the tour of the building were indeed ex offenders.
The reason giving for settlement in this area was that the ex offender would be better away from their old haunts and influences(of all types).
Apparently there is a similar setup in York
where our areas ex offenders can be located.
Several business people are involved in relocating and employing these people.
I attended the meeting with an open mind and left not entirely convinced of the idea.
To give it my personal acid test,I ask would I leave one of these ex offenders on my property unattended?
Sadly though un-Christian the answer is no.

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Thanks for that Lampman, nice to see an un-biased opinion from someone who is actually informed of the situation. Did they state what sort of offences these people have committed?

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It's hardly a drug/crime free area they are being shipped to. There's a woman who sells drugs from her baby's pram in the main road in Ossy.

Perhaps the Outer Hebrides might be a more suitable place for reintegrating themselves back into society, with less temptation in their way.

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I recall that they found a life of crime to fund substance abuse, these crimes were mainly burglary/theft related.
I should also mention that this re-settlement is only part of the work the church does.
As for the premises, I was impressed.The core members of the church have apparently remortgaged their own houses to fund this building(along with various grants.)
In answer to the unasked question; no I am not a church member,nor particularly religious,but I reckon I can recognise goodness when I see it.
Rightly or wrongly these people are seeking to help those they perceive in need.
As a bi-product the projected savings in stopping the ex offender reoffending were quite amazing,but to reiterate is it right to foist the ex offenders on the people of Hyndburn?
I would like to hear what the Police and local Probation Services have to say on this subject.

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It is quite a fabulous building inside isn't it? I've been in a few times and each time I've been in they've added something since the last time.

Yes, it's cost a lot of money. I'd be interested to know exactly where the bulk of the money came from.

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Pennies from Heaven.

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If only God was that generous - I thought she usually made people survive on bread and water. lol

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Being a fairly good lapsed Catholic girl you know she'd also provide fish on Fridays.:)

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You must have been reading a different Bible to me. I have never seen God referred to as a she only as He. ;)

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Youv'e read a book without pictures? Jesus.

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Please don't call Neil - Jesus. He's got a big enough head as it is, plus he'll only make some pithy comment about it.

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Yes he has a big head. I'm hoping if I ruffle is hair enough at the meets he'll go bald.;)

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I think you'd have to do a little stronger than 'ruffle' to make him go bald.

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There are enough people going bald at the meeting already :rolleyes:

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I also whisper in his ear. I think that has some effect because it's turning him grey.:)

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Are you sure you mean grey, or something that rhymes with that?

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Shhh romps is listening. I don't want her to find out about Gary and I.

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No he's pithy not fey.:)

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Hang em High

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I think you must have posted in the wrong thread my friend. Slinks and Tinks Film Critic thread is here

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Wait for the local elections and dump them on mass they will soon come round to the idea that they serve the people not their own ends.
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This is one occaision when messrs Britcliffe & Hayes may have got it right. The entire thing stinks of cover-up and conspiracy. For starters, what do we know about this church? According to the Observer, they managed to raise one hundred and forty thousand quid in one day alone a few years back.
Does that remind you of anything? I doubt very much that that amount of dosh is lying around in loose change in Ossy...it seems to me that the only way that can be done is if people pledge their houses & their assets. Well, there are precedents for that and they are usually associated with obscure & extreme religious sects that play on the weak & the vulnerable.
Who remembers Waco, Koresh and the Branch Davidians? The parallels with that lot in Ossy are frightening, starting with taking over an old factory as their Church HQ and then fleecing the congregation for every penny they've got. And who was their congregation? A motley collection of half-wit locals, brain-washed kids and ex-cons & druggies.
Well, at least the federal authorities were fully aware of the danger of these characters, and I would like to think that our own are keeping an eye on this lot in Ossy. I do not know how someone like Garinda would cope should he wake one morning to the sound of Helicopter Gunships overhead and men in Balaclavas absailing through his bedroom window in order to get a better tactical position.
Alas, it appears that some of our own authorities (local prisions, Riddings school, Accy College) are actively conniving with them in some form of social experiment while attempting to keep the local population & its elected representives in blissful ignorance. It would seem to me there is now only one action the council can take and that is to deny planning permission for any of their schemes, whatever they say they may be for, and for the rest of us to tell this character Jackson and his followers exactly where to go.

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Oh..... Sparkologist......I was just going to say that!

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I've found out a little more about this scheme and this church and as usual it looks like the local papers have made a mountain out of a molehill.

I called into the church on spec and asked about the project and they were more than pleased to tell me all about it. There was no secrecy or cover up involved and they let me read all their documents on the subject and showed me around. Anyone could do the same! I know for a fact that a couple of representatives from the Labour party phoned up and visited the place this week to be briefed, I'm sure the Conservatives could have done exactly the same without the sensationalist approach.

The project is called RESTORE, it is about rehabillitating ex offenders or ex drug users. Currently, the have 10 people on the project (not 100s like you've been led to believe). All of them had drug or alcohol problems (NO paedophiles) which led to a life of crime. These 10 people are now clean of drugs and therefore, no longer likely to go back to criminal ways. They are being helped to get jobs, sort out accommodation or find a college course. One example that I was told about was a young man who's now studying at Acc & Ross college - the church has bought him the education and the tools that he'll need to get him back on his feet. They also provide one on one mentors to support the people on the project, to provide friendship and to help them stay away from the people who led them into drugs in the first place.

All of the people who are on the project are people who lived in Hyndburn before they went to prison (no one is being imported from anywhere else).

So what's better - these people get sucked into a life of drugs and crime, go to prison then when they return they're just left to stroll right back into the same lifestyle - or they come out of prison onto this project and get their lifes back in order?

As you know, I'm not a particularly religious person but I have to say that this church looks like it's doing some good work in the community. They have a regular 300 people attending services (this is at a time when attendances at church are dwindling), the run toddler and parent groups, after school clubs, support for deprived families, help elderly people etc. We should be looking to support this type of thing and not passing them off as crackpot christians.

One thing that I particularly liked when I was shown around was the number of teenagers that are involved. At a time when Oswaldtwistle is really struggling with a teenage problem to see so many young people helping out as volunteers is a fantastic thing. Apparently these are people who have given up their 'gap' year to help run the place.

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Thanks Gayle for posting that,the only point I don't agree with is the fact that the church is not importing people.As I said in an earlier posting I attended the meeting,the idea was to relocate ex offenders away from their previous haunts and contacts.
So in this aspect they are indeed importing(and exporting to the York area.)
To reiterate the people at the church are do gooders in the most positive meaning of the phrase,unfortunately the ex offenders cannot just blend in to church life.The old influences will always we waiting for them.
Good luck to them and those that seek to help them,but it will be an uphill struggle to convince the general public of the needs of the few out weighing the concerns of the many!

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It's good that they were so open with their information, but I have to agree with Lampman. Bringing people back to their old areas who may encounter old aquaintances is rarely a good idea. A lot of Drug Action Teams will look at ways of moving addicts and former addicts away from their old haunts and old friends. This has been proved to be helpful to those wishing to keep clean. I wish them luck with the project and hope that it is a success.

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Well I can only go of what I was told yesterday which was that everyone who is on the project had a connection with Hyndburn before, i.e. lived here or was born here.

Relocating them from their old haunts does not necessarily mean a long distance, it can be a matter of moving someone from Huncoat to Oswaldtwistle for example - just as long as they are not in contact with their old druggy friends.

Yes, the old influences will always be there waiting for them but as I said, surely it is more positive to help them find new influences than to let them walk out of prison and hook up with the old influences again.

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PS - I am reporting all of this without judgement. I'm not defending them or taking up their cause, I'm simply telling you all what I know.

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Well,for once I managed to pick up a hard copy of the Observer last weekend. Surprise, surpise...what was in the correspondence column? Letter after letter from various ministers pontificating their holier-than-thou do-gooding drivel. 'Enough is enough', I said, slinging the said paper away, 'at least when I get back to the Accy Web, I shall read postings from people with some common sense.

So what now do I find on here? Nothing less than the same old crap. Come on people, get into the real world...do you honestly think that a few dozen happy-clappy born-again lets-be-nice-to-the-scum Christians are going to reform these characters?The odd one saved,maybe....but in the numbers they seem to be so busy in concealing, no, no, no.

In a few months - or even a few weeks time - someone here will return home after a hard day at work. They will notice their front door suspiciously adjar, and they will then enter their home to find it thrashed, with something horrible in the bath to boot. Well, I'll know who to blame...but will you?

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Point taken Gayle,I suppose its the old story I have put my own slant of perception on the message that was broadcast at the meeting.Let's hope for the best and perhaps all will be well.It will be interesting to see developements 12 months down the road.

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Why are you so sure they are concealing the numbers? Do you have facts to back that statement up?

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We already have drug addicts in Oswaldtwistle, like there are throughout Hyndburn, and from what I remember there are even more in London.

I would rather have someone living next door to me who was trying to turn their life around, and who is supported by someone, even if it is a happy clappy Christian.

Like other people posted earlier, it's the people who you don't know about that are much more of a threat. They are obviously better at crime because they never got caught.

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Got to agree with G over the ones that we dont know about. We have supposed secure access yet there is trouble at weekends and to make it worse there are kids in this block so I was shocked to find a hyperdermic needle that was used in the close. The councils answer is they cannot do anything without proof but by then its too late. I would take the christian at least it would be safer i hope.

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Is this not the crux of this thread? It is not what you know, it is what you have been told - just as it is not what we know, but what we have read. Surely the simple fact is that our bible-bashing chums, went ahead, (without any public discussion or placing their intentions in the public domain), in instituting a secretive criminal rehabilitation scheme

Furthermore, it appears they are in the process of attempting to expand this scheme and again in doing so, neither the council, the local populace nor the press were consulted or invited. That smacks to me of a cover-up and any sensible person can only ask why.
They have admitted that 10-ex-cons are currently involved, but no number has been given for their expanded scheme. Why? If they are so confident, why don't they come up with some numbers? What are they holding back?

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I will return to what I said about secrecy. They were perfectly open with me. Also, now it is out in the open so's to speak it can no longer be called secretive. They decided to make it open and tell everyone about it, which they have done.

Plus, they have come up with numbers - 10! So why are you so sure there are more?

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