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At no point did I say that this lad wasn't an idiot! I was only pointing out that the family are innocent parties in this and DO deserve our sympathy.The driver of the other car he was overtaking has been charged with causing death by dangerous driving!! As others said just so glad that there were no other innocent bystanders hurt especially after he hit 3 vehicles before the car stopped in the garden wall!!

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Where does that leave the parents of the guy that caused the accident as they have to live with the knowledge of their sons actions? Sympathy hatred distrust ostrisization from the nieghbourhood?

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To be perfectly honest. I think the major contributor to this death was the lad who died himself. His punishment was death, the other lad if the charges stick, will have to face the courts punishment but having to live with the knowledge that he contributed to his friends death will probably be the worst punishment of all.

Lets hope this horrendous death can make one other person stop and think before getting into some stupid act of racing with others on the roads and prevent another needless death!!!

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A 22-year-old man died and a woman was seriously injured when their speeding car went out of control as they overtook a friend's vehicle in a residential street

hmm

i dont see the charges of causing death sticking the driver of teh overtaking car was clearly at fault i dont see how the driver of the car been overtook can be blamed because his friend decided to overtake him at 60mph

i suppose the police have to be seen to be doing somthing but at the most the guy who was overtook was maybe speeding and his friend decided to go faster and overtake

if you overtake me and crash into a wall is that my fault or yours...?

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I suppose it depends on what happened before the deceased decided to make the deadly manouvere. I can imagine there was a fair amount of boy racer racing going on!!

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Chav it would be the resposibility of the one doing the overtaking.

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Sat here reading this I would like to ask everyone a question

Have you EVER done anything that you look back on as being a stupid or dangerous thing?

You were probably lucky and got away with it, In this case who is to know if this was just a one off moment of boyish madness? I know when I was a lad of that age I drove too quickly and took a lot more chances than I would ever consider now. I think the difference is that evrytime I go out in the car I know I am taking a risk. I see some absolute horror scenes on the motorways and probably take evasive action at least twice a week to avoid an accident where someone makes a mistake. The mass availability of cars nowadays means that people take them for granted. They really don't realise just how much damage they can cause or can be caused to them. I agree with Bazf that we should show people what a car accident looks like.

Young people dying at the wheel of cars has been happening since cars first went on the roads. Short of making the legal age for driving close to 30 you will never stop it. Cars nowadays are a thousand time safer than in my younger days, back then that crash would probably have killed everyone in the car. Be grateful that we have made progress and someone walked away.

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Yes, and not that long ago...............

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Anybody who does 60 mph on Livesey Branch Road is obviously suicidal or out of their mind. I have always thought that people done for speeding/drink driving ought to be made to attend A&E Depts to help clean up after major traffic accidents. It might bring home to them the likely consequences.

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To the question entwisi ask no not that put someones life in peril for a kick oh addrenilin high.

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Never sped? Never done an overtake that was maybe a boit closer than you thought?

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The thing is Willow just like you didn't think you were endangering anyone else probably so did this lad. We all agree that one of the biggest victims are the lads parents, would it have been any diferent to your parents if you had fallen and broke your neck?

People do daft things, its what make use human.

There is a saying,

You start out with a full jar of luck and an empty jar of experience, the trick is to fill the second before the first runs out

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Driving is the same as life in general you cannot buy experience, it has to be gained, the hard way or the easy way. Regarding driving I personally have learned the easy way by others "mistakes", unfortunately I don't think there is an easy solution to the problem as young people and in particular young men at late teen/early 20s are disadvantaged by surging hormones and bravado coupled with a "need for speed", this is a lethal mixture particularly on the roads today, this coupled with a desire to impress a member of the opposite sex sets the scene for disaster. To sum up I personally don't think there is a quick fix to this problem, it has been with us as long as I have been driving (almost 30 years). It is impossible to put an old head on young shoulders, I think those of us who have survived adolescence in one piece should be extremely grateful indeed.