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There were fewer policemen Shakey......they didn't go around in two's.....they rode bikes.... and they would give you a stern telling off if they caught you up to any mischief.....and if they thought you deserved it they would give you a clip around the ear and then take you home and tell your parents what they had done. Parents didn't sue the police for the fact that their child had had a clip around the ear......you got another good hiding for needing to have the policeman bring you home.......I have not suffered as a result of such an up-bringing......I have a strong respect for authority.
Without a strong respect for authority the country is going to slide into anarchy.....it is half-way there already.

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Doug; i was merely quoting Margaret Pilkington

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Your young, don’t worry about anarchic youth, live every minute of your life to the highest achievable standards and strive to lead by example. It's a gift, use it, every minute.

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I don't believe the police need any more training to deal with anarchic youths........that is where many large organisations go wrong.......they come up against a problem and someone devizes a useless training course.

Youth will always have it's rebels. Respect is a core value that has to be taught at home, upheld by parents and schools.....and until this happens we will continue to have problems. These are however made worse by drugs and alcohol which is freely available to todays youth.

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I must admit; a little bit of invinceability comes across your mind; thinking "ah well im underage il get a slap on the wrist; they can't hit me or hurt me" not from personal experience...of course....ahem :D

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Repect for the law.

Would that be the same law that was cycling round the streets of Manchester and Glasgow when Brady and Hindley were growing up in the 40's/50's?

The good old days weren't immune from crime. Go back a little further, when we were supposed to be the civilised centre of an Empire, and try walking through one of out great Victorian cities after dark.

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Can we keep this in context……….This is the real world and it’s unpleasant, but we can hope to make it better, but only if we can talk sensibly…………

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I was.

I just think all this talk of a friendly clip round the ear from the local Bobby, with everything in the garden being rosey, is a bit cliched.

I've just watched on BBC2, hard nosed protaganist, and journalist Jerermy Paxman, reduced to tears as he found out how his well to do Yorkshire family roots really lay in the slums of Glasgow. Where his great grandmother lived with nine children in a one roomed tenament, and had her alms money stopped because she had the misfortune to have a child after she was widowed.

She would have shown, like many people of the time, 'respect' to her betters.

It doesn't make it a better world for that though.

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True..........I found my humble beginnings in a slum street in Blackburn, A death of a child in a boarding house with two up and two down and an outside crapper. Five families lived in that house including my own.

I respect what you say, but like Shaky, we talk of times we know and they weren’t bed of roses. I was a sod, like my mate’s, but we respected the law when it caught us, we didn’t abuse it or claim rights we weren’t entitled too. If we did wrong we were punished.

Hard times, I can one Christmas going to the Social Service department to choose a two Christmas Presents out of an old cardboard box. Everything was broken and dirty, and I mean dirty. I was shocked and heartbroken, partly because I was being told to pick a toy and get out, and partly because my mother was on her knees crying because our lives had come to this. She stood up and told the nasty bitch to stuff her toys. My mothers marched us out, sold what she could and give us a good Christmas. We’ve all see hard times and done thing we shouldn’t. But it’s not an excuse for the thugs you see hanging round the streets today dressed in expensive kit, spitting at old and young alike. Thank god these people are in the minority.

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We agree then Doug. There have always been bad people, but thankfully they are out numbered by the good, which is still the case.

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The Police were never intended to perform the role of Nanny. They are there to uphold and enforce the law. That shakermaker, as a young person, can misunderstand their role in society to such an extent speaks volumes about why there is a growing breakdown in social values.

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Well,an interesting and varied response to my posting.Another aspect I feel that has led to the breakdown is that the youth of today are generally more selfish in their outlook.They see,they want and they take;regardless of consequence.Yes lets have some form of National Service,though I feel that professional servicemen would be loathe to rely on some of todays potential recruits.

think you have hit the nail squarely on the head!
i also believe too many tree huggers and do gooders are loose in places of influence!About time government started looking to the homefront to sort things out sooner rather than later.:confused: :mad: markh

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We are going to have to find a place to start fixing this mess but by the time the govenment of the day has had it inquires, commitee meetings ,policy reviews cost analyzed, feasability studies and drawn up a set of beaurocrats to over see it we will be in a worse state than now. It has to start with no p,ing about and with no excuses or watering down.

Personally I think it should start with the primary schools and resposible parenting classes.