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shakermaker 24-01-2006 17:40
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entwisi, with all respect....with thomas_045's described experience with adults; is it hardly surprising that he does not see showing respect for other adults fitting?
just like the way a lot of adults, when seeing misbehaving teenagers...generalise all people of the same age as anarchaic youths.

entwisi 24-01-2006 17:48
Re: Kids of today
 
As Thomas stikes me as rather eloquent for a 16 YO I would be forgiven for assuming he has more than an ounce of intelligence and therefore is capable of seeing past an individual bad experience. Julies original post was based around a generalistaion to make a point and to stir healthy debate. I just felt he was rather heavy handed for a newbie poster, Less for example I would have expected to retort like that as that is what we know and love Less for :)

baby boo 24-01-2006 18:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by entwisi
Interesting that you choose to go off on one about a generalistaion here but are guilty of exactly the same sin in the bus driver thread. Perhaps you too should wake up and smell the coffee. I have been on the Internet since before you were quite literally still in your nappies. If there is one piece of advice I would give you it is that whilst you are new here yet you seem hellbent on upsetting people with one of your very first posts. I suggest that when dealing with real ADULT people you learn a bit about respect, consideration and the ability to allow people both the right to an opinion and the right to occasionally make generalistaions when trying to make a point. We are not school kids on here who turn any disagreement into an argument we prefer to debate them politely and rationally.
Wouldnt Thomas's post also come under that of his opinion too?? I admit sometimes when people victimise young people for doing silly things that i would be classed as a young one? and that everyone would be pointing a finger at me? im a good person and am very ashamed when young people do "naughty things' it makes people look at me and judge me straight away for being young. Thomas has only gone and given his opinion in a way in which i think makes people sit up and actually read his thoughts rather than ignoring him. I dont see anything wrong with his post if thats the way it comes across to you then maybe you should get a bit of respect and cosideration and allow the young lad to type what he thinks just like everyone else on here? i didnt see any of it as an argument or come across as an argument. In fact i think its a very good debate! Is it just very few people who jump to conclusions about young ones today or is it just the ones who dont listen to the views of young people?
:idunno:

baby boo 24-01-2006 18:06
Re: Kids of today
 
just my view no arguments required!!!! :D

Madhatter 24-01-2006 18:21
Re: Kids of today
 
I think it was a good reply considering, and even julie admitted she asked for it. AND it's certainly created debate. It's shown theres two sides to the debate, and adults side and a youngsters side.
I think adults are too quick to judge youngsters as being all the same, all youngsters are chavs, all chavs and chavettes are bad. Thats not true.

yerself 24-01-2006 19:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by entwisi
I just felt he was rather heavy handed for a newbie poster
Were you born an old fogie, entwisi? I've just had a look at your profile, you're 14 years younger than me but I'm afraid I'm siding with the youngsters on this. You can't tar them all with the same brush. If buttonsmum didn't want a reply to her post she shouldn't have made it in the first place.

Uncle Mick 24-01-2006 20:25
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The tykes would probably sue the council if they fell off! If anyone suspects their little darlings of behaving like this they may want to sit them down in front of "Inside Out" BBC1 7:30 on 30th January. It tells the story of a 14 year old boy from Manchester became the youngest ever army officer leading his troops over the top on the first day of the battle of the Somme,eventually being commissioned into the Accrington Pals.

buttonsmum 24-01-2006 20:26
Re: Kids of today
 
If I didn't want a reply I wouldn't have posted in the first place, the idea was to start a healthy discussion about the respect or lack of respect that some of the younger generation show today to objects like the cenotaph that have a great meaningful place in our society.

Thomas has responded both here and in other threads as a newbie and shown a disputatious attitude, something that when you are new to forums tends to wind exisiting users up. People are entitled to their own opinion, it is how that is presented that can sometimes be lacking.

Madhatter 24-01-2006 20:28
Re: Kids of today
 
go old fogies :not_ripe: go old fogies :Banane25:

Madhatter 24-01-2006 20:29
Re: Kids of today
 
I love the old fogie down stairs, she brilliant, I love ya joycie

entwisi 24-01-2006 20:31
Re: Kids of today
 
So just what is it about caring about manners, politeness and having standards is it that defines me as an old fogie?

Perhaps I should go and book my place in Eastbourne right now and have done with it. Or I can stick around and try and influence people into thinking about these traits and how they can improve them in todays society. You never know, it may make Accy a better place to live, Radical I know.......

Madhatter 24-01-2006 20:32
Re: Kids of today
 
In fact I love nice people no matter what age they are.:)

yerself 24-01-2006 20:43
Re: Kids of today
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by entwisi
So just what is it about caring about manners, politeness and having standards is it that defines me as an old fogie?
That's what you call attempting to shout them down rather than listening to their point of view. And you wonder why they don't respect your opinion.

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2006 20:44
Re: Kids of today
 
I suppose I must be an old fogey too because I'd much prefer a healthy debate with rational points put forward whether they agree with me or disagree than to have childish digs and snide remarks and name-calling which disagreements can sometimes descend into. There simply isn't any need for sarcasm when trying to put forward an opposing point of view and doing so does tend to cause antagonism, especially when done by a newbie.

thomas_045 24-01-2006 20:45
Re: Kids of today
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by entwisi
Interesting that you choose to go off on one about a generalistaion here but are guilty of exactly the same sin in the bus driver thread. Perhaps you too should wake up and smell the coffee. I have been on the Internet since before you were quite literally still in your nappies. If there is one piece of advice I would give you it is that whilst you are new here yet you seem hellbent on upsetting people with one of your very first posts. I suggest that when dealing with real ADULT people you learn a bit about respect, consideration and the ability to allow people both the right to an opinion and the right to occasionally make generalistaions when trying to make a point. We are not school kids on here who turn any disagreement into an argument we prefer to debate them politely and rationally.
I didnt 'go off on one' at all. I gave my opinion. And wasnt even attempting to start an argument. I think your just a bit afraid as one young person has come on your precious site and caused a bit of controversy. I clearly stated my opinion in this thread, and most people (expect you) agreed. Even the person who made the thread amitted she kind of asked for it.

And please dont go patronising me about being on the internet longer than me. Experience means nothing. I most probably have the same amount of knowledge on the internet/computers as you do. If anyone is being childish here, its you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by babyboo
Wouldnt Thomas's post also come under that of his opinion too?? I admit sometimes when people victimise young people for doing silly things that i would be classed as a young one? and that everyone would be pointing a finger at me? im a good person and am very ashamed when young people do "naughty things' it makes people look at me and judge me straight away for being young. Thomas has only gone and given his opinion in a way in which i think makes people sit up and actually read his thoughts rather than ignoring him. I dont see anything wrong with his post if thats the way it comes across to you then maybe you should get a bit of respect and cosideration and allow the young lad to type what he thinks just like everyone else on here? i didnt see any of it as an argument or come across as an argument. In fact i think its a very good debate! Is it just very few people who jump to conclusions about young ones today or is it just the ones who dont listen to the views of young people?
Oh why thank you. Maybe Entwisi doesnt realise young people have an opinion in this community too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by madhatter
I think it was a good reply considering, and even julie admitted she asked for it. AND it's certainly created debate. It's shown theres two sides to the debate, and adults side and a youngsters side.
I think adults are too quick to judge youngsters as being all the same, all youngsters are chavs, all chavs and chavettes are bad. Thats not true.
Oh, and thank you aswell. Somone else who realises young people also have an opinion. Are we getting the point now Entwisi?

Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself
Were you born an old fogie, entwisi? I've just had a look at your profile, you're 14 years younger than me but I'm afraid I'm siding with the youngsters on this. You can't tar them all with the same brush. If buttonsmum didn't want a reply to her post she shouldn't have made it in the first place.
Thank you. Another person. Its really nice to know some adults realise the majority of young people are nice, and dont tar all young people will the same brush. :)


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