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I actually picked up an Observer this afternoon whiles I was over and it looked even worse in print. :o My partner said it was disgusting and disgraceful, until I told her it was rife in Blackpool. :D :D I also went to great lengths to explain that it happened 3 years back……:)

Else where in the paper and more interesting.

There is tucked away in the corner of page 53 a letter from Dave Grey of Cambridge fame. It say’s all there is to say about Accrington Stanley, the people behind the scenes, it’s supporters, Accrington and its People…………….If you haven’t done so already, please take the time to read it.

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it will take more than 1 pint to get what you want you damn fruit :p

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heh...sorry Garinda, I didn't want it to come across like I meant things did degrade into personal insults with you.

That's the problem when you're using the written medium: things can sometimes be perceived in a different tone than intended.

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Gary said 2 wicked's and your anyones :D

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Not at all matey, I was just bemused by your wording re: insults.

Like I said we'll have to disagree on the merits of this being a front page story.:)

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Should that post not have read?

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Behind all the gob-flapping there are some serious issues here. The road in question is one of the oldest in the borough. It is said to date from before the time of the conquest and is described in 1560 as being an ancient royal highway (hence, presumably, its name). It was of considerable use to Colonel Richard Shuttleworth in 1614, during the Civil War, for moving troops to and fro between Manchester, Padiham and Whinney Hill for the battle there. John Wesley, who complained about its state of repair, also later used it.


In the years since the A56 was opened the farmer at Windy Harbour has successfully applied to have the bridleway extinguished along that route, effectively barring all but his overweight daughter from exercising a horse on what is a public right of way. He has imposed three sets of metal gates and numerous boulders to block access from the A56, Burnley Road and Haslingden.
He has also excavated and widened the road leading to his farm. In the process destroying significant portions of old dry-stone walling, the remaining portions are in a state of advanced collapse having had no repairs for many years. Portions of his land adjacent to the track are used to dump ruinous farming equipment, caravans and wrecked earth moving machinery.
In 2004 it was placed at number four on the Environment Agency’s top ten list of fly-tipping sites in the north-west. Fly-tipping attracts a fine of £20,000.

So vexed on this issue was Acrylic-biff that he insisted that we should go and have a look for ourselves at the mountains of refuse inconsiderately piled along what was one of his favourite walks. It was a good, clean, brisk sort of morning and an overnight frost meant that the ground underfoot would be reasonable dry and solid; an important consideration when most of your pooch is merely inches from the ground. So off we trotted.

I have to say that for most of the walk I saw nothing untoward. Yes, it was liberally scattered with litter, but you have to accept that as normal nowadays. The first eyesore we came across was at the junction with Burnley road where a triangular piece of land abuts the A56 bridge. This the farmer at Huncoat Hall had decided to excavate and is in the process of filling with the sweepings from stables and, oddly, piles of old road surface.

http://static.flickr.com/23/92578249_623ccd0b47.jpg?v=0

http://static.flickr.com/15/92578276_9ef6fda566.jpg?v=0
It is wrong to say that HBC have done nothing to assist in deterring fly-tippers, they have put a sign up.

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In the twenty-five years since it was built I find it surprising that the farmer should have had nothing to say about the mess left behind on the road by the quarrying company; at times the road has disappeared under a sea of mud. But then it is perhaps not so surprising after all when you remember that he used to work for the company.

http://static.flickr.com/38/92578470_cd26506273.jpg?v=0

He now has an even better way of earning money. Do you remember that a little while ago someone asked whether “Gamblers Caves” were still in existence? It is with great sadness that I have to report that they do not. The part of Kings Highway that once led up to the area is now a complete morass, twelve feet or more wide and bears the unmistakable signs of heavy vehicles of the sort manufactured by Messer’s JCB Plc. The pleasant spot that used to be the adventure playground of many of us when we were younger and was home to birds of prey is now turned into this…

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The few cows and sheep that once dotted the hillside and helped keep down the scrub are relegated to little more than a hobby now it seems. Its all paving stone and saw dressed building stone now. The next time you are in the DIY store just have a look at how much this stuff is being sold for.

Don’t get me wrong, I have no complaint against enterprise and I am all for using whatever resources you are lucky enough to have to make a good life for yourself and those around you. But I do think that it should be done in a way that respects the environment and the cultural and amenity value of the land you do it on. The pictures above would argue that this is not what is happening here.

It is all very well complaining about fly-tipping and as I have said earlier in this thread no one wants to have to climb over mountains of rubbish to get to their home, but I do think it is a bit rich complaining about others when you do this sort of thing in your own backyard.

While we were walking, we passed Miry Farm and came across this odd looking piece of farm equipment. Are HBC aware of this? I cannot help thinking that this is an accident waiting to happen. The Pylons carry the electricity for most of East Accrington and Baxenden.

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On our way down we came across a pleasant group of young lads who had taken their motorbikes out for a spin, and I asked them whether they had ever experienced any trouble while riding their motorcycles. I was told that they were not allowed to take their machines up Kings Highway because the farmers had complained about the noise disturbing horses. Presumably a helicopter taking off and landing, mere yards from the stables, causes them no trouble at all.


May I just add a little rider...to the editor of The Observer...Now that Vitty is leaving, I suppose you have a vacancy, could I be really cheeky and put my name forward...perhaps? I can take my own photographs.

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Why didn't you do a story along those lines vitty.

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Oh my God A-B that really is appalling. It`s a few years since i`ve been over the Kings Highway and it was untouched at that time and i`ve just recently been pondering whether to take my bike over.....I won`t bother now.

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Sad to relate, the photographs do not convey how bad or how extensive the wreckage is.

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It would have been hard to incorporate sex and sordid into the headline.:D

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Aye...he makes a good read, does A-B. However, getting a simple basic fact wrong can undermine even the most strongly worded of cases. Hence

It was of considerable use to Colonel Richard Shuttleworth in 1614, during the Civil War, for moving troops to and fro between Manchester, Padiham and Whinney Hill for the battle there. John Wesley, who complained about its state of repair, also later used it.


I am not aware of any battle, or even of any civil war in 1614. Could someone elucidate?

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1642 per chance?

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That was deliberate mistake included to make sure everyone was paying attention. Of course, I meant 1641.

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:confused: English Civil War 1642-1646/1651.

Double whammy.:D

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The First English Civil War was 1640-46 :)

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Not according to Rindy's Ladybird book of British history or this and most sites about the Civil War.

http://www.historymole.com/cgi-bin/m...theme=EngCivil

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A B, do you realise just how dangerous, especially for kids, those places you took photo's of are. Are they just open to for anybody to go on to? It's not normal to have access to a quarry, or a helipad.

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It is open for anybody to go there, but as A-b said the farmers have made access as difficult as possible.

I wondeer if it was any busier this weekend after all the adverse publicity with people looking for video tapes under rocks in the quarry?

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Gentlemen please.

http://www.british-civil-wars.co.uk/index.htm

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I'm afraid myself and Mad Hatter will have to disagree with you, along with most of the history books.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/E/EnglshC1W1.asp


Who started this thread wander anyway? Tealeaf I think.:D

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Yes lots went on in 40 and 41 but it didn't start until 42.

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Madhatter - I've made my point on several occasion earlier on in the thread, and I agree with Doug and Garinda that we should agree to disagree.

Bob - feel free to apply for the job, mate...though when it will actually be advertised is anyone's guess.

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yes your point was you wanted sex and scandle to make the council listen and put a gate up. Not that it makes much difference now cos your gone

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Oooh a thread wander! Can I join it please? :)

There were all sorts of battles and skirmishes and goings on in 1640/41 but most of those were in Scotland and Ireland weren't they? Didn't the King move Parliament up north on 1642?

Anyway it's yet another tragic loss of history to this area. We have so little remaining. Places where I used to wander free as a child now seem to be barred to me. When Busman first came up here I wanted to show him places of interest only to discover that I no longer had access to them. Gates had appeared with notices on saying "Private, Keep Out!"

Thanks for the photos A-b. I almost feel like saying they might as well stick a Panopticoon on the Coppice and have done with it. There's enough been ruined already that it really doesn't sound all that bad after all in comparison.

On the subject of litter I took this photo. At least they tried, and it's a very polite notice.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...1&d=1138700196

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Well now then, doesn't this all go to show that no one is perfect, not even little old me! And doesn't it teach us all to check our sources before we commit ourselves?

It was obvious that the Civil War in England began in 1642 and that the consequent skirmish on Whinney Hill took place in that year, obvious that is to those who had paid attention in history classes, which I evidently did not.

Thanks to Tealeaf and Doug and Garinda for setting the record straight. Mea Culpa, I am chastising myself as I type....OUCH! I have also given myself five hundred lines to be done by first thing on Monday morning, in Ink!

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Better than winning the lottery.:)

Go on, make it five hundred lashes instead of lines.;)

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I had a sort of feeling that you would appreciate the gesture.

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Flagellation is my middle name.:p

Oh no it's Tobias.:eek:

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Oh! Get a load of Sadie Switch!

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Make that a thousand lashes. An incorrect detail, AND deviation from the sordid sex thread:p .

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Mmmmm. Strict, but fair. Do you want to tell me how dreadful my punctuation is too?

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I think we'll leave it there.:eek:

I take it that because the sun is over the doo-dah you've hit the gin, which has melted you to my whimsical charms? Again!

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Oh excuse me, I thought I was being hauled over the coals for deviating from "sordid sex". And No, I haven't had a drop since Sunday, I'm getting in training for Lent.

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Thanks, thats ok,don't mention it.