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jambutty 02-05-2006 14:18

Enforced Voting.
 
Once again the “everyone should be forced to vote” brigade has raised its ugly head.

Do I detect an attempt to deflect public interest from the current government incompetence and sleaze? Could be!

As much as I think that everyone should exercise their right to vote when elections come around I accept that it is a free choice of the individual whether to vote or not and no account whatsoever should anyone be forced to exercise that right.

Forcing people to vote is a Police State in the making.

I would make a plea to those people who don’t vote. You may not know what it is all about or may not care or have no faith in the main two or three political parties or you think that your vote won’t make a difference but you can still make your point by voting for someone else. It doesn’t matter whom. A sudden increase of votes for the ‘others’ will make the main three sit up and take notice.

Are you not prepared to give up just half an hour of your time twice every five years or so?

harwood red 02-05-2006 15:06

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I always make a point of voting even if I don't fully understand politics!! It's those that don't vote then moan their heads off about the state of this country and the government that gets my goat.... vote then!!!!!

chav1 02-05-2006 15:59

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forced voting ....!



all i can say is that if a certain party forces me to vote ,on principle alone i will vote against them :mad:

accymel 02-05-2006 16:08

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Originally Posted by chav1
forced voting ....!
all i can say is that if a certain party forces me to vote ,on principle alone i will vote against them :mad:

Who let you back in:p welcome back anyway chavster lol:D

harwood red 02-05-2006 16:11

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Originally Posted by accymel
Who let you back in:p welcome back anyway chavster lol:D

Let him back in??? More like forced his way back in ;) :p

Uncle Mick 02-05-2006 16:44

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Long gone are the days when the deposit to stand for election was sod all. In those days you could register your disapproval for voting for Captain Buckethead or Sid the complete loser instead of the poor shower of party faithful who are standing at the moment. Shame we`ve no Mums Army candidates standing, They`d get my vote!

KIPAX 02-05-2006 17:02

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I have never voted in my life and thats a lot of possible years.. I was once told that "It doesn't matter who you vote for.. Its just like swapping deckchairs on the Titanic"

I won't be voting.

steeljack 02-05-2006 17:16

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Here in California a few years ago they tried to get a proposition on the ballot to place "none of the above" on the ballot papers for local and state elections , of course the State courts voted it down as being unconstitutional , I thought it was a good idea ,

jambutty 02-05-2006 17:25

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Of course the States courts would decree it as unconstitutional steeljack. It would disrupt the status quo and show up the ‘democratic’ voting for what it is. A sham!

jambutty 02-05-2006 17:27

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Of course the States courts would decree it as unconstitutional steeljack. It would disrupt the status quo and show up the ‘democratic’ voting for what it is. A sham!

jaysay 02-05-2006 18:12

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They tried an all postal ballot in Hyndburn a few years ago, but there was only about 50% returned the ballot papers and it was a headache to administer, and of course it always leaves the door wide open to fraud. any Tom Dick or Harry can get hold of a stray form and send it in. :confused:

bad breath brown 02-05-2006 19:42

whats Wrong With A Police State? At Least Law And Order Would Come First.

WillowTheWhisp 02-05-2006 21:08

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I'm not in favour of enforced voting but I do think anyone who doesn't vote shouldn't bother complaining that they don't like the Government.

talentedbutslow 02-05-2006 21:48

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In Australia we have enforcd voting.......and big fines if you don,t...:eek: .....Seems to me this is a fairer way of everyone having a say how the country should be run......regardless of whether we think all politicians are morons out to make an easy quid......:D

andrewb 02-05-2006 22:22

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I think everyone should be required to vote, although they should be able to put a line through the ballot paper to spoil the vote.

This way it stops people being lazy and not voting for something which WILL affect them, and people who don't think ANY of the parties stand for what they believe, can spoil their vote :)

Mancie 02-05-2006 22:44

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enforced voting in the uk dosent sound to bad, but at one time it was forced in soviet russia and in Iraq under saddam even though the electorate really had only one chioce of political party. there's also a problem with people who would simply not register to vote, as some did when we had the Poll Tax. you never know, there could come a day when you are marched down to vote at gunpiont.

shillelagh 02-05-2006 22:46

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I was told when i was a kid that if you didnt vote you didnt have a right to complain about anything because even if the one you voted for didnt get in at least you made your voice heard.

I've been out canvassing many times since then and when someone has said to me that they werent voting i told them what i was told when i was a kid. I said it is your right to vote and it is also your right not to vote but when something goes wrong and you want to complain who will you go to? I've changed peoples minds with that quote ive seen them walking out of the polling stations and theyve said that they'd thought about what i said and agreed with it and so theyve voted. A few of them said they'd voted for the party i am in and others have voted for a different party and i said as long as you vote i'm not bothered who you vote for just as long as you have voted.

I will be voting on Thursday

SPUGGIE J 02-05-2006 23:21

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I vote just for the right to moan about the polititions when they get it wrong.

bad breath brown 03-05-2006 06:22

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Originally Posted by Cyfr
I think everyone should be required to vote, although they should be able to put a line through the ballot paper to spoil the vote.

This way it stops people being lazy and not voting for something which WILL affect them, and people who don't think ANY of the parties stand for what they believe, can spoil their vote :)

lets get back to the thatcher years.

Mancie 03-05-2006 06:41

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Originally Posted by Cyfr
I think everyone should be required to vote, although they should be able to put a line through the ballot paper to spoil the vote.

thats brill, mash up another rain forest with with wasted ballot papers, typical tory!

KIPAX 03-05-2006 07:34

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Originally Posted by bad breath brown
lets get back to the thatcher years.

Maggie Maggie Maggie


In my lifetime Maggie Thatcher was the only prime minister with balls.... No other prime minister has stood up to the Unions and won.. Not only won but crushed them.. where are they now... (Unions closed down more factories than hitlers air raids did) No other prime minister would have sent the fleet out to see off the Argie Bargies, They all said they wouldn't

We need a prime minister like Maggie who would lead the country.. Not be led

Maggie Maggie Maggie :)

entwisi 03-05-2006 08:05

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I grew up being encouraged to vote Labour. My parents and and grandparents were hard working people who read the Mirror and voted Labour all their lives. Not because of anything other than 'thats the way it is'. Nowadays I look at manifestos and vote for who I believe will be the best for the country with a bias for my own circumstances.

I agree with Kipax though, whilst I certainly wasn't Tory back then I admire the way that Maggie stood up for this country against not only the unions but the EU and USA as well. I'd rather have someone who stands up for what they believe than the lapdog we have currently.

If there was voting in my area I'd be voting!

Basher 03-05-2006 09:28

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Yep bring back a maggie for me too.

I agree that you should vote and if you don't you shouldn't moan about whoever is in power.

On the point of enforced voting I say yes, bring it in.

SPUGGIE J 03-05-2006 10:24

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This lot cant orginise anything (all parties) but if it meant constant power I think the compulsary voting idea would be the best orginised and managed thing that they have ever done.

chav1 03-05-2006 13:17

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anyone who wants things to be compulsary should sod of to live in places liek russia , iraq or china

i prefer freedom of choice , freedom of will and freedom of speech which sadly under this govenment is getting stripped away from us one bit at a time one way or another

Quote:

Originally Posted by bad breath brown
lets get back to the thatcher years.

we did that the minuite tony blair got elected

new labour = tory = average joe gets screwed

jambutty 03-05-2006 15:13

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There is plenty wrong with a Police State bad breath brown as any refugee from what was the Soviet Union, the Eastern Bloc and several Far East countries will verify.

How would you like to be stopped in the street by a cop demanding to see your identification papers and then wheeling you away to plod land just because you creased the document in the wrong place?

You may be comfortable with enforced voting in OZ talentedbutslow but here in the UK I get the distinct impression that the majority would not.

You can take a horse to water Cyfr but you cannot make it drink.

I view enforced voting as an infringement of my human rights and I will fight to the death if necessary to block any such move.

garinda 03-05-2006 15:39

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Originally Posted by KIPAX
No other prime minister has stood up to the Unions and won.. Not only won but crushed them.. where are they now...

In the same place as Britain as an industrial, rather than a call centre, nation.

pendy 03-05-2006 16:21

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I have always voted. It's not yet 100 years since women got the vote, and I do feel I should use the privilege. I do agree - if you don't vote, you can't moan.

chav1 03-05-2006 17:55

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i do vote and i agree that you cant moan if you dont vote but what i have a problem is having that choice to vote or not to vote taken away from me

think of it this way

if people who cant be bothered to vote are forced to they could all as well tick the BNP in protest and considering how many people dont vote it could actualy gain them a few seats

mind you with all the vote rigging , boundry changes and whatever other tricks they have it would take a major upset to get the present govenment out

accymel 03-05-2006 18:10

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Might right is taken away from me because of being subject to being severely harrassed i cant register otherwise i would have to change my identity & im having enough problems being this me for 30 odd years nevermind anything else:rolleyes:

I will not risk my safety for them to either public my details or even sell them just for sake of vote - so i dont trust any gov until that changes!!

jimmy 03-05-2006 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by talentedbutslow
In Australia we have enforcd voting.......and big fines if you don,t...:eek: .....Seems to me this is a fairer way of everyone having a say how the country should be run......regardless of whether we think all politicians are morons out to make an easy quid......:D

And thats what they should have in this country to get all the fat,idle lazy sods who can't be bothered to F*rt never mind vote down to the polling station and have it explained to them; This is pen,this is paper this is Ballot Box.NOW VOTE.:mad:

andrewb 03-05-2006 19:26

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Originally Posted by Mancie
thats brill, mash up another rain forest with with wasted ballot papers, typical tory!

I hardly think that will mash up a rainforest, and it's quite easy to plant new trees, not to mention other ways of voting.

I can't remember the last time a Tory went and mashed up a rainforest anyway, as far as im aware there isn't any in the UK... although if you know of a secret one i'd love to hear! ;)

bad breath brown 03-05-2006 19:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chav1
anyone who wants things to be compulsary should sod of to live in places liek russia , iraq or china

i prefer freedom of choice , freedom of will and freedom of speech which sadly under this govenment is getting stripped away from us one bit at a time one way or another


well if its getting stripped away, we can save the trip to china and stay here. cant see hollands pies being available in china.


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