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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...b-22265-8.html

The threeday week was largely due to the miners Union, Thatcher sorted that lot out. I never defended the past conservative governments before her, cause they could have done better.

However, what about the winter of discontent? Lost Labour the election, there were certainly power cuts then, and that was in 78/79 not 73 :)

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Brilliant, Greg! Just given you some karma for your sheer cheek! A supporter of New Labour accusing another party of "spin". You guys invented it! :D

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Wyn...I think that was what I was implying in my earlier thread.....and Mancie, the education I was expecting was from Greg....but all that you posted I already was aware of........I just wondered if along the way there was something that I had missed:).

As for 'New Labour'...they just dressed themselves in tory clothes and hoped that the real socialists wouldn't notice...and a lot of them didn't!

I hope that by now I have convinced some of you that I have NO political allegiance.

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We will see come 2009, or herhaps earlier if Blair stays in long enough ;)

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[QUOTE=Cyfr]Which MP was that?

if i could remember cyfr i would certainly tell you, it was when arthur davidson was the mp for accy and i went down to the smoke as part of a deputation to lobby him, and it was some smug tory git in the house bar afterwards.

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Greg, the Tories remain "essentially unchanged" in the sense that while the leadership have at least given lip-service to change the party activists are still traditional Tories. But the same can equally be said of Labour. How many rank-and-file party members are genuinely New Labour? The ones I've talked to are completely at odds with the party heirarchy on a whole range of issues from the Iraq war to tuition fees. However, you're right about the Tories not experiencing a defining "clause 4 moment" yet.

As for the karma, you're welcome (and don't forget, this is the second lot of karma I've given you, as I thought you deserved some for having the bottle to make an appearance on Accychat in the first place, in marked contrast to the reclusive Councillor Britcliffe). However you're now doubly welcome as I've just read elsewhere about your campaign to get Rovers and Burnley playing at home on the same days, enabling Stanley to play their home matches on alternate Saturdays with no competition from either of them. Obviously, too late for the coming season, but if this comes in for the 2007/08 season, I believe it will literally transform Stanley's fortunes. The best idea I've heard from a politician for a long time! :)

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I'm sorry but what is this based on?
The activists voted Cameron in 2:1 over a traditional Tory. If the vast majority of the activists were still traditionals they would have voted in David Davis.

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No, they wouldn't. They've voted for Cameron because they think he can get them into power and they're willing to put their principles on hold.

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Why are you so sure the next election will be in 2009. The last election was in May 2005, and as a parliament can last for up to 5 years, the next election does not nedd to be held until 2010. In fact you will find that the last Tory government, with John Major a PM, was voted into power in 1992, but served the full 5 years, the elcetion was on 1/5/1997.
Even when Tony Blair relinquishes the job of PM, there does not need to be a general election, the Labour Party will then choose another leader, who would then become PM.

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Oh. Right. :rolleyes:

Glad you sorted that one out! I guess theres not much of a come back to write, as you've clearly made up your own mind through speaking with the few hundred thousand Conservative activists, and deemed they only voted him in to get in to power. Even though thousands more have joined the Conservative party after the election of Cameron showing they joined for his Compassionate Conservativsm.

If a party wins on a manifesto they have a duty to uphold that manifesto, the Lords will try to ensure that a party in power dosn't go against it's manifesto (Like they did when they put forward an amendment to the ID card scheme, to ensure it wasn't mandatory, because Labours manifesto said they would not be mandatory.)
The opposition will oppose things which go against the governments manifesto too, because they're there to scruitinise. Heck, even the governing parties own MP's will, because they have a conscience.

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I think you have summarised the Tory 'faithful' very well with this comment.

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Yeah im aware that theres a manditory election after 5years, but Blair has called an election after 4 years for the previous 2 terms, so my assumption was Brown (Again i assume Brown will become the next PM) would call one in 2009, however as you say it could well be 2010 :)

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Thanks, Claytonender, but I must say, I think there's a similar gulf between the Labour party members and leadership - ie, I think the activists are a lot more left-wing. As you're a party activist yourself, I'd be interested to know if you think that's true?

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So you seriously believe that thousands of Tory party members have experienced an overnight conversion and ditched their cherished beliefs about market forces, immigration and many other subjects to join touchy-feely Dave's modern, progressive Conservative movement? You poor, deluded boy!