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I think the clue maybe in there somewhere.;)

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ye but some people who just do weed look like it to. They don't look alive and healthy like I do. they look ill

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I've known some very beautiful models who were on smack and some deathly looking people who have never even heard of a vice, never mind indulged in one.

You can't generalise. Life's a bitch.:)

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yes but I know that these people are on weed rindy I also know that the more they smoke it and/or do drugs the worse they look.

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Thank goodness for that, Madhatter, I dread to think!!

I have a quiet life, I don't do anything to bother anyone.........well, that is if you don't count my cigarette smoking, drinking the odd beer or six, driving my aged renault clio, and being a rowdy football supporter.

At the age of 55, it all sounds like fun to me!!

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You sound quite normal to me.

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If smokers really thought their civil liberties were being curtailed, we'd be organising marches on Downing Street, similar to those arranged by the Countryside Alliance. Because of our addiction we are way too relaxed to be bothered.

Oh well, never mind, time to light up another.:D

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Or is it that the thought of marching anywhere sets you off on another coughing fit ;)

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*as long as it does not directly affect my health/smell of my clothes/burn holes in my jacket*.

That statement applies equally to vehicle exhaust fumes DeShark with a slight modification. They affect a person’s health, make my flat and clothes smell of exhaust fumes and contaminate the clothes on the washing line with dirt specks.

My argument is simply if the government is so concerned with our health they should attack all the ways that pollute the atmosphere not just smoking. They have gone for smoking because it is an easy option and they also know that people would be so involved in the issue and argue amongst themselves they could get on with screwing us down in other ways that pass by unnoticed.

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I believe that a pint or two/a glass of wine/a whisky helps to calm my nerves.

Pushing 70 and living on my own like I do DeShark and hearing daily that some pensioner has been attacked in their own home a fag helps calm my nerves. What is the difference? Am I not allowed to calm my nerves in the best way that I can?

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Why should the majority have to put up with the minority?

We already do and have done for centuries DeShark with the appointment of our government and behind the scenes with the aristocracy and influential. It is what people call democracy.

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My main point however, is that I should be able to enjoy my pint in the pub, without leaving smelling of cigarrettes and ash.

And I should be able to live in my flat DeShark without it being filled with vehicle exhaust fumes. I should be able go down town and do my shopping without coughing and spluttering on the way round because my lungs are being filled with exhaust fumes. I should, if inclined which I’m not, be able to go down town during the evening without having to run the drunken yobbo gauntlet.

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I would rather have someone slying a quick spliff next to me in a bus stop than a tobacco smoker anyday!!

I know nothing of smoking illegal substances shakermaker but don’t people who smoke cannabis put the stuff in a tobacco roll up?

In a nutshell the anti-smoking brigade are just skirting around the issue because they are not prepared to accept that all forms of pollution are bad for us in one way or another and that it is unfair to target just one source and condone the rest. In your own way you are all just as guilty as the rest of us in causing that pollution. To pretend otherwise is hypocrisy in the extreme.

Are there any of the anti-smoking lobby prepared to declare here and now that it is grossly unfair to target the smoker without also targeting the other major polluter – the internal combustion engine?

I doubt if anyone has the courage to do so because it will destroy all their arguments at a stroke and show them to be irrelevant to the debate.

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yep I agree, we should completely ban the internal combustion engine. everything should be electric powered from now on.
All the trucks with supermarket deliviries, can go on an electric train. then an electric van can take them to the store, all the taxis, they can be electric too, and the buses, make them trolley buses, and we can trams through accy again. yay. :Banane25:

Don't think that would work though, it's not very realistic is it.

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On hatters dream about all electric it might in the not to distent future be the norm and ciggies will be too expensive for most so 2 birds down in a oner.

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Hatter how would you get to say New York on an electric Boeing ;)

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Dunno spuggie, we'd have to go by electric and wind powered ship.
I'm more interested in these two birds that will be down though.

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I think thats well put, and how most of us feel.

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OK .. getting really ****ed off with this subject now.

You non-smokers win. I am now just a smelly,(not that it has ever put any suitors off mind you, they only have one thing on their mind ! ) drain on the NHS, probably look 73 instead of my 63 years, threat to your children and general enemy to the future of the ozone layer.

Admit i! NO ARGUMENT, easy target so let's shoot us down first, you are winning .. YOU ARE CORRECT, FULL STOP.

But BEWARE, once this disgusting pastime is finally extinguished, who will be next ?

Trouble already begininng on the 4 x 4's, obesity .. moves to stop adverts on calorie loaded foods now... probably will not be able to eat a Cadbury Turkish Delight within 10 metres of an impressionable 2 year old. School runners, AAAAAGH ... surveys already being done to restrict this ritual.

POINT IS .. not always about the issue, just a grouping instinct.

As to the addiction .. well, once asked to take part in a survey at the Doctor's for women who were taking the birth pill and linked with the habit of smoking. Theory was that I would have a more outgoing, daring, adventurous character than other human beings .. that's the way I like to look at the reason why I began the nasty, filthy habit in the first place. :p

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Go Girl!!! well said Kate:D

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That's it kate, you vent your anger, best get it out and written down, then you can have sweetie dreams.:D

You've got a good point though, just lately, it feels like no matter what I do I'm doing something wrong and upsetting others while evrybody seems to upset me and not give a damn, in life, not on here. Sometimes you just have to find something to laugh at and forget everyone else. get a nice drink, sit down, put the tv on, spark up and take a nice long drag. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thats better.:)

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Sarcasm doesn't suit ya hatter maybe that the thing certainly with Post no 118

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Just to throw a silly spanner in the debate most of the fun people that I know and love smoke.

Perhaps their habit shows a devil may care attitude that appeals.

Kate you're an exeption to the rule that smoking ages you. You look drop dead gorgeous.

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Eeeeeew .. see ya' tomorrow honey. :)

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I think life is for living & even if you lived in a bubble of perfect conditions re health wise then the enevitable is still going to happen though theres only one thing thats guarantteed in life is death - unfortunately!

Something i learned the hard way that my life would of been cut short in my early twenties thanks to a drunken psychomaniac - smoke least of my concerns & result! But lucky to survive to tell the tale moral is life's too short enjoy it while you can!

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Things need putting in perspective here..

a) Smoking is bad for everyone, smoker and non-smoker
b) Smoking therefore needs removing from society
c) Some smokers are addicted and will never stop
d) Banning smoking will create unemployment and cause more crime due to the lucrative business of supplying addicts

Solution....
a) make it extremely difficult for people to become addicts and not cause unemployment to rise too much

How to do this..

a) health warnings, harsh tv advertising, education etc..turn the smokers into modern day lepers...10% give up due to peer pressure
b) reduce the possible number of places that people can smoke..10% give up because they dont like freezing to death stood outside the workplace in winter
c) tax the crap out of smokers..20% pack it in because of costs
d) as the majority of the smoking population ages, they begin to see the effects of smoking on their own friends, family etc.. another 10% manage to get on the wagon because of fear
e) due to the above gradual reductions in smokers, workers in the cigarette industry are laid off in 10% increments, thus not causing unemployment figures to rise too sharply
f) the pro smoking lobby is now not as strong, the tobacco industry begins to lose money and cant spend as much hiding the fact that they are placing needless EXTREMELY harmful and UNNECESSARY addictive additives in each cigarette..another 10% give up when they realise they are smoking cyanide!
g) smoking is banned in pubs..there is an outcry..BUT..the majority do not smoke anymore..the smoker is a leper..he/she is also over 40 and does not spend as much money or time in this pub...no real problems are caused by this ban...another 5% give up because nobody else seems to be smoking around them
h) time now to put in even more stringent anti smoking laws (the point we are now at)

Whine all you want about civil liberties, muddy the waters by talking about vehicle pollution, alcoholics, drug users etc... Fact is, smoking is bad for EVERYONE!

A friend of mine told me that in South Africa you can be fined for smoking in a car that has a child in it.
20 years ago...people would have said that 'My God! What an infringement on civil liberties, can't even smoke in your own car!'
Today people (even smokers) will say 'quite right too, you should never smoke in an enclosed space with children'
20 years from now some pensioner will say 'I remember when I used to have a fag at the bus stop on my way to work' and others will express dismay at them and say 'You actually used to smoke near others??????? I'd have smacked you in the mouth for threatening my life like that!''

You want to smoke in the privacy of your own home, without causing distress to anyone else..go right ahead, I'll fight for your right

And for every 70 year old smoker currently above ground there are 10 below because of a smoking related disease.

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Well said Katex. It's time this thread went to thread heaven as everytime I look at it I light up another ciggie! Just for the sheer hell of it, lol.

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Hee hee me too, gotta give you karma for that cos it made me smile... and then lit up another ciggie :)

EDIT Damn just tried june and unfortunately I have been too generous with my karma over past 24 hours... but I will do it and I give you permission to remind me if I forget :p

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Would be ok if it was as simple as that Guiness.

Mmm if they banned it outright or even majority it would go underground as are hard drugs so therefore criminals profit rather than Mr Brown, fags/baccy are heavily taxed probably the most taxed in Europe - hence the duty abuse there.

I very much doubt there will be ever no smokers - ban it too far & you create a tabboo to our youngsters certainly teens to break anyway in rebellion so that wont change & the next generation of addictees!

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Just curious to know how Guinness put in that thread so quick, must have it on file ready to fire .. again just endorses my point of the hatred some people feel towards another human being re. something they don't agree with. Fanatical or what :eek:

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The ones that annoy me the most are social smokers, ie dont smoke normally but soon as they drink they have to have a fag best of it is they cadge it & dont actually buy them my x sis in law was like that best of it were she'd always moan about fag smell & smoking .. then do something so hyprocritical

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Social smoker?

She'll be tabbin' on forty a day now.;)

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Erm if she takes the family line of alcohol abuse then could well be LOL:D

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I was thinking that kate, where did you copy that from guiness?

And yes mel, I think it would, I think I've got the right to not have to breath smoke, but I don't agree with an outright ban.
I think the amount of people smoking will decline over the years, it's nowhere near as acceptable socially as it once was. Therefor less and less people will take it up, but you'll never get a total ban and no one smoking

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mmmm you've got the right to not breathe in direct smoke but you dont have it when whats in the atmosphere is unknown how are you so sure the air we breathe is fine!

Blooming heck even choccy had to be removed due to scare so nothing is safe!!

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fanatical,sanctamonious,call it what you will the fact remains cashy is lighting up.:D

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Whats up? I make one post that encapsulates everything you have been trying to say in the last 8 pages (but couldnt find the words) and suddenly I'm a plagiarist?

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Plagiarist?

Is that a Frenchy that draws patterns in the sand?

See smokers funny....others not so.:)

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I can find the words, I did find the words, I just like to drag it out a bit, so that we have something to discuss, but if it was your own work well done, I'm impressed, not sure I agree with all of it though.

that impressed you can have some karma :)

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(puts on Frank Muir Voice) A word deriving from a 7th century French dominican friar who was caught dong something he shouldn't have been. Instead of attending 'Matins' he was often found in his cell with the current issue of 'Playvillagewench' using his 'wrist to play'. This word was then mistranslated during the infamous 1971 Monty Python sketch to 'played yer wrist' and some 12 year old mistyped it into wikipedia as Plagiarist and the O.E.D research team added it to their 'book'

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Ok. A non-smoker with a sense of humour.:p

Nice bow-tie by the way Frank.;)

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An alcoholic? :p

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An alcoholic car driver ;)

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:D Well, if it's in Accy you can probably be sure that it isn't!

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I am not really surprised that none of the ant-smoking brigade has responded to my challenge in post #109. To save anyone from the chore of going back to search here it is again.

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“Are there any of the anti-smoking lobby prepared to declare here and now that it is grossly unfair to target the smoker without also targeting the other major polluter – the internal combustion engine? I doubt if anyone has the courage to do so because it will destroy all their arguments at a stroke and show them to be irrelevant to the debate.”

You give in too easy katex. You, me and others may well smell like an old ashtray but that is on a par with everyone smelling like an old exhaust pipe.

No one ever stated that smoking was good for ANYONE Guinness. In fact we all agree that smoking is bad – full stop.

Talking about vehicle exhaust fumes as a comparison to smoking is not muddying the waters. It is a legitimate comparison. Both affect people’s breathing.

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You want to smoke in the privacy of your own home, without causing distress to anyone else..go right ahead, I'll fight for your right

But you won’t fight for my right to be able to breathe air that is not polluted by vehicle exhaust fumes! It wouldn’t have anything to do with you either being a car driver or using public transport, would it?

As for the rest you should come out of your dream world and face reality.

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Well said Katex. It's time this thread went to thread heaven as everytime I look at it I light up another ciggie! Just for the sheer hell of it, lol.

On that I think that you are right because everyone is dancing around the real issue and avoiding it with irrelevancies.

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You give in too easy katex. .[/FONT]

Story of my life Jambutty :D

Ok being frivilous again, however, think what has to be said has been said in an intelligent and constructive way, and thought as Junetta that the thread should now be closed (for a while anyway :) ) as it was ending in a light hearted way as all debates should.

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Because you asked the question I'll respond

Of course I use a car, and so do you one way or another, mass transportation is a necessity in modern day life. Thats reality!

Do you think the tooth fairy delivers your fags and food to Asda? Did you turn away the ambulance/fire brigade/police/taxi etc etc etc the last time you needed them?...thought not.., we ALL know that vehicles spew out pollutants, so what do we do about it? We restrict the use of vehicles which is kinda what the hefty tax on fuel does (similar to the hefty tax on fags reducing the number of smokers) and make the exhaust emissions fall below a certain level by law (similar to the ban on smoking in public places). We research cleaner fuels, more efficient propulsion and cleaner methods of mass transport.

However, we are comparing a necessity (mass transport and therefore exhaust fumes) with a luxury (fags) and I stand by my original statement that this "muddies the waters" of a strong case for infringement of the basic human right to freedom of choice.

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Just out of interest, these spliff smokers, what are they going to be rolling there joints with?

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Yes it's grossely unfair, they should do more to reduce pollution, they should put more freight on the railways, so that it's one deisel engine not 50, they should make youu sue public transport so it's one engine not 50. OR even ban the combustion engine altogether.

Right how has that destroyed the argument that you shouldn't smoke in any public place open or closed.
I've still got a right to fresh air in the pub, not come out smelling of smoke.
YOU smoke, your choice, not mine and it doesn't help me at all. A bus taking people to work at the local supermarket does, and the lorry delivering their does, The teacher going to work helps me by educating the future generations of this world.
Your pollution, your comparison not mine, does nothing positive, apart from feed the government with tax.

I fight for the right to breath fresh air in public places, I also fight for less polution from car exhausts, I recycle and try to save energy where it's being wasted, wasted electric causes more pollution from power stations.
I'm not fighting for your rights, I'm fighting for mine in every case, You fight for your own rights, but if your smoking, I doubt you'd bother fighting for the right to an exhaust free town, your just using it to try to justify you smoking in a public place.

It's unrealistic to expect a car free town, and most people think it's unrealistic to expect smoker free public areas, I doubt very much if it will get through.
Most people who see that they have the rights to a smoke free enclosed area, will also see it as you have a human right to smoke in a open public area. People who want an outright ban are very few.

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They'll switch to cakes with icing on top tink.
Which brings me to another point, how many people are there that enjoy a joint but don't usually smoke or don't smoke much? a hell of a lot.

Right or wrong, you'll never stop people from smoking weed in this country, the only reason I don't agree with it being legalised is the government will add a hugh amount of tax to it.

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So according to you Guinness, because motor vehicles are considered a necessity, it is OK to pollute the atmosphere with them. But because you consider the smoking of tobacco products is a luxury, smoking should be severely restricted if not totally banned. Now there is an interesting, selfish and sanctimonious philosophy. One person’s luxury is another person’s necessity and vice versa.

If we restrict the use of vehicles then explain to me how come vehicle numbers on the roads increase year by year and choke up the motorways and other roads? How come the school run has become a road traffic nightmare twice a day during school term? If you call that restriction then you should really re-examine your argument because it is crass in the extreme.

Today’s fuels are indeed cleaner than those of yesteryear but the exhaust gases still pollute, it’s just that you can’t see the fumes anymore. You can smell them though. In any case it takes time and mileage for a cat to do its job, meanwhile the car is spewing out death.

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I stand by my original statement that this "muddies the waters" of a strong case for infringement of the basic human right to freedom of choice.

You will probably kick yourself now for making that statement because it strengthens the smoker’s case no end. We all have the same the basic human right of freedom of choice. I choose to smoke in my own home/garden or in my car. I may chose to have a fag whilst walking down the street, not that I can walk very far. It helps to mask the vehicle fumes. If you came into my home or I give you a lift in my car and I choose to have a smoke then you will have to either leave, get out or lump it. If we pass in the street and you object to me walking past you smoking a fag I will tell you where to go in no uncertain terms.

If I walk into any building and there is not a sign stating that people are allowed to smoke I will not light up. If I call at your house I won’t even ask you if you minded if I smoked. I would wait to be invited to do so. I won’t even take leave to go outside for a fag and then come back in. It’s called having respect for other people’s views which are lacking in the smoking protestors.

No person’s rights take precedence over another and the compromise is live and let live which seems to be beyond your comprehension.

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Funny, I dont recall saying anything remotely like what you accuse me of here. Cigarettes are classed as a luxury item, whether you personally accept that or not, does not change the fact.

If you actually read my post you will notice that I am actually stating that telling YOU that you cannot smoke is an infringement of YOUR freedom of choice and is a more valid and logical argument for smoking in a bus shelter than mass transportation. (Ooo must kick myself for being reasonable and seeing your point of view)

Selfish, crass, sanctimonius?..resorting to name calling loses the argument and my attention..

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Jambutty, I think you want to blame the anti smoking bunch as you see them for this new idea. It may be an anti smoking bunch, but the majority of the so called anti smoking bunch out here don't agree with it. If you want to smoke most will say feel free to do so, as long as you respect the wishes of those who don't.

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Just reread your first post, thats one person, and as I said I don't believe the majority believe that.

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well, we should, people power is dying out, this is our country, they just run it for us, they supposed to govern yet obey.:mad:

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Well I've just spent the last hour or so reading all the comments in this thread. All I can say is this. I have been a smoker for the last 54 years and enjoyed every second of it. At the present time I respect the wishes of non-smokers , even those who visit my place. Nontheless I wish the damn tobacco industry had never been founded. Am I healthy? I have emphysema,athsma, heart disease, periphial vascular disease.a chronic ischmeal condition in my legs( I can't walk so far without pain.) I have had 3 heart attacks, Triple by-pass, and several bypasses to my legs etc. So no. I am not healthy. Was it all due to smoking? Well it certainly played a large part plus all the vehicle fumes. I've been breathing for all my life( allthough I don't believe that vehicle emmissions have anything to do with this thread. It's a seperate subject). Are fags unhealthy? Of course. Anybody can tell you that. But it's my life(whats left of it) my freedom. I still smoke and enjoy it just as much. Why? because I am truly and utterly addicted to nicotine. I have tried everything to help me stop but to no avail(and please. All you out there that has never been addicted to anything I don't want to hear your dumb uninformed comments about addictions) Am I sorry. No. I have enjoyed my life very much and still do so. However, I believe that governments are going overboard on this one. I don't like smoke in restaurants or enclosed spaces. But open air. Mind your own damn business.:D

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It comes down to freedom of choice, something this government does not believe in. Non-smokers should not be forced to breathe second hand smoke. Therefore there should be bars/pubs for non-smokers. BUT by the same token, there should also be bars/pubs for smokers. Smokers pay for their healthcare, in spades.

Yes, smoking is bad for you in many ways - however, so many non-smokers seem to be hyper about this subject, and very vicious - perhaps they need a little pharmaceutical help? I'd rather smoke than be on Prozac any day.

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Was sat having a meal on Sunday at the old red lion here. chose non smoking on purpose, then halfway through the meal, a woman in the bar sparks up, and all the smoke of the cigarette drifts over to us. Dunno what she was smoking but they were strong.
Annoyed because unless we went it the expensive restaurant there was nowhere seperate that was non smoking. Food isn't allowed in the library. This is were all the trouble started, one room serving food, and a smoking and non smoking section, which doesn't work. Food should be in a seperate room and if thats not possible, then why allow smoking at all.
Plus it hacks me off that the owners worth a daft sum, like a hundred million and is too tight to put decent air conditioning in.

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ime about to try giving up smoking again and if successfull all you smokers can go to hell :)

if i fail naturaly i will stand by all you fellow smokers in solidarity and the above remark stricken from the record :D

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Back in the late nineties, myself, 'im indoors and my best mate all chose to quit the cigarettes and managed to go without for two years.

This might sound really silly to all the non-smokers out there but we were all really miserable. It never seemed to get any better. Our social life went out of the window because the pub was a no go area, a beer seems much nicer with a ciggie!!

I was the first to fall by the wayside, or at least the first to admit to it. I learned how to be deceptive and would park up on my way to work to have a quick rollie (easier to hide). Then I would wait until 'im indoors was asleep and sit out in the garden for a while. Panic stations if he stopped snoring! All three of us are back to it now and having made our decision that's the way I expect it will stay.

I understand everything you have said Terry and I'm sorry you are sick. The government would be better employed ensuring that the young of today never start and leave us with our curse of the sixties.

We all know how we will end up but the choice is made.

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Good luck....again!

If you manage to stop I can go back to Marlboro Lights and ditch the menthol ones, which are like drawing smoke through Heidi's cotton bloomers.

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i remember you snogging heidi in the bridge but you must have done that when i went to the bar :eek:

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I stopped several years ago then some kind policewoman got me started again.

I woke up in the middle of the night to find what to me at the time looked like a huge bloke standing in the doorway to my bedroom looking at me. He saw that I was awake and scarpered taking his mates (one of which was a girl – I heard her laughing) doing their stuff downstairs with him. By the time I got my wits together and got up they were all gone and so was the remote control for my telly but fortunately that was all.

I’ve been burgled before, several times, even whilst I slept but to wake up to a stranger looking at me was different. I’m no wimp but the incident unnerved me quite a lot and when the police arrived the policewoman could obviously see that I was rather agitated so she made me a cup of tea and gave me a fag and left me her packet. It was all well meant I’m sure but for that incident I would still be a none-smoker. But I would still have the same view about atmospheric pollution.

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Bet that was scarey. I think most people would be. To wake up hearing noises is one thing but that.
Not much chance of them coming here though, I can never sleep these days, not at night anyway.