David Guilfoyle: Fitzpatrick guilty
 

Missing body trial - Fitzpatrick found guilty of murder, jailed for 20 years...

http://www.accringtonobserver.co.uk/..._20_years.html

I wonder if the police looked into the posts that were put on here...?

( thoughts go out to David's family and daughter)

Yone

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good i hope he has the decency to at least tell the family where daves body is so they can lay him to rest properly

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I totally agree Chav, I knew David when he was a teenager, he was a very accomplished pool player then, and its only right that his family are allowed to give him a good christian burial

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Here we go...the ******* who know nothing about this getting their 2-penneth in.

I have known Callum Fitzpatrick for going on 13/14 years as my best mate; yet the police never asked me for a statement did they? No.
Well who did they ask you might say?
The people who had picked fights with Callum in high school, thats who.

This conviction is appalling. There is no clear evidence - it's an extreme miscarriage of justice with the police just trying to pin the blame on an innocent man.

****ing pigs.

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I must say without finding David’s Body…. And with what appeared so little evidence I was rather shocked they found Shane Guilty….
Maybe they know something we don’t… My point was I wonder if the police looked at this forum and posts that were put on … in the early days when David was reported missing…

Yone

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Sorry Shaky I only said I knew Dave Guilfoyle when he was in his teens nearly 20 years ago, I have not come accross him since, so what hes been upto since then I clueless, but he still needs a proper burial

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Deepest apologies if I caused offence to anyone in the family of David Guilfoyle. I accept that murder of anyone is illegal and morally wrong.
I have known both Callum & Shane for most of my life - and to see a judge give 20 years like it it is nothing - with no substantial evidence - almost made me sick.

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How can you have a murder case without a body? How can you prove someone has done something.
It's very confusing to me.

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I am by no means an expert in criminal justice, but by Shanes behaviour under interview initally and he 'no commented' all the way through I thought Guilty. He apparently showed no emotion when sentenced and I thought Guilty. However from what was reported in both local papers the circumstantial only evidence pointed mostly in favour of David having done a bunk. I cannot understand how a judge or jury can sentence anybody with firm link to a murder that may or may not have been commited without real and damning evidence to say that the perpetrator was present at the time and that blood was found on the accused or in his house or car.

It is impossible to say that the police or court would withhold evidence from the public domain, because it is in the publics best interest to know the facts. From what I can gather the prosecution only had a torch that was apparently lent to David a long time earlier, Shane wearing commando clothing on the night and going to work tired with no memory of the previous nights football match, and having once said that he'd kill him, God help me if Maradona, Ronaldo or any number of referee's ever turn up dead.

Sympathies to at least one family and both if there has been a miscarriage of justice.

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I dont always remember a footy match from the night before especially if I have been drinking. If running around in "inappropriate gear" at night then many people would be in court. Does this mean that if in a dressing gown putting rubbish out at night I am a midnight flasher? People lend tools etc and dont always get them back so any item used could come back and haunt you 12 months later. Unfortunately its both families that are suffering and there will be no closure for either as it stands.

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I totally feel for both families, because even IF shane is guilty, his family are innocent.
Again I find it hard to believe that a jury can be certain beyond reasonable doubt on circumstancial evidence and no body. Although, IF he is guilty, i hope he now does say what happened etc..
It does always make you ask if the police are more interested in statistics of cases closed opposed to justice.
I never knew David, and only remember Shane from school, I used to think he seemed a nice enough lad. But that is another lifetime ago, and people change.

All I know is, I don`t envy the judge and jury on that one, and that the truth prevails in the end, whatever the truth may be and David`s family get the answers they so desperatly need, and Shane`s family get the truth - whatever that may be.

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How can you know it's murder and not manslaghter.

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I think that is right. And to add the comments of those at the trial. Their view was that the news media did mis-report the trial, missing several crucial pieces of evidence in reporting and instead giving paragraph space to the personal salubrious side of the characters involved.

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What the hell do you know? you are a child. you are the same age as daves daughter, how do you think she feels? and whos accusing callum?
the right person has been got for this terrible crime andif you listened to the evidence and to shane, callum and debbie in court you would realise that they have all tried to cover up for 1 another, and failed miserably in their attempts.
justice has been served and hopefully now he will say where dave's body is and we can all say goodby to him properly

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If you had the persistence to read my other post you would see I apologized if I offended anyone from Guilfoyle's family.
I'm also sorry if it is wrong that I have a problem that a man I knew for so long has been given 20 years in prison for a murder which might not even be a murder.

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if it was manslaughter there would of been signs of a struggle and knowing dave like i did he would of hit back causing bruises at least to shane.
shane has got dave from behind in the most cowardly way possible, waiting for him in the dark to come home. if only he'd of been a big man and faced dave in daylight and face to face, dave would still be here now.
not a day goes by when i dont think of dave and how much i miss him, as far as i'm concerned, being involved like i was and following the court case they have got the right person for this. maybe now they'll follow up on a certain ex wife of shane's and his son too.

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You're bang out of order.
You don't have a clue what happened that night.
How dare you rip into Shane's family - who the hell do you think you are??

I am sorry for your loss but at least have the tact to emapthise with 3 children that have lost their father for a long time; wrongly in my view.

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i haven't ripped into shane's family. i do feel for his girls, they must feel how dave's daughter feels, but at least they can go visit him!

and as for the wife and the son, i've only said what everyone else, including the police are thinking.

nobody is out to cause offence when it comes to shane or dave but i have the right to express my views.

and you are right i dont know what happened that night, but i know dave and how he worked and i know shane and how he was.

only he knows whats happened and hopefully he'll have the decency to now say where his body is so that dave's family and friends can say goodbye and lay him to rest and give the respect he deserves.

no body deserves to be murdered, and over what seems to be so trivial is such a sad and tragic thing.

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This is in fact where you ripped into Shane's family.

I am presuming you have evidence tying shane's ex wife in? If not you should be ashamed.

For the record, I have met all involved, and she had nothing to do with this. If you had seen any of the emotion I saw you would agree.

So tell me, do you have evidence or are you just a lying s**t stirrer?

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Whats all this Shane this and Shane that like you know him, as for Mrs Fitzpatrick don't forget all the items she removed from Guilfoyle's house in order apparantly not to incriminate him, and didn't she get help in doing that from someone who she was knocking off.

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It's not an episode in eastenders. Grow up.
These are real people's lives & you are ripping into them on an internet forum, have you no tact?
At least show some use of brain power & discuss the case if you want to be taken seriously. If not, join the Corrie forum. I'm sure they'll accept your empty pulp fiction drivel.

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I haven't the foggiest. If you read the post properly I am talking about his family. For the record, I have met him and Mr Guilfoyle but don't know them, however I do know his family and people like you are causing unecessary further distress.

Lets stop now, eh?

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How can you know there were no signs of a struggle with no body, there could have been a fight.
I think this thread is getting out of hand, people are getting hurt that don't need it at this time.

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You're not trying to get the mods to close or delete this thread are we hatter?

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Sorry my friend but I am not very tactfull when discussing murdering scumbags.

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The human race has evolved it seems...even a person with evidently the least IQ on the planet has developed an instinct to use Accyweb.

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i agree lack of evidence, apart from the torch which could also point to someone else, mind you he did buy bin bags, and you only buy those when disposing of a body right! i cant believe on the evidence given he got life. maybe police should have left it at that till if and when a body turns up. or for more conclusive proof. how the jury can prove a person is alive or dead? you cant unless it was witnessed first hand or there is a body, neither of which happened. the whole case has been put forward on pure guess work. guessing shane went at night dressed all in black as he was not seen there in black it IS ONLY GUESS WORK. well i guess im the queen of england so it must be true! the whole case looks dodgy from start to finish. i have my own theory but i dont want to upset anyone so im not saying. i do feel sorry for family on both sides but what if they got it wrong?

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scrote huh. well if i post my theory i might upset other scrotes i was very objective and tried not to offend anyone. your very rude and have no manners whatever my opion is it will upset the family of either side. if you read it properly i didnt actually say i thought he was guilty or innocent. how can that offend you ! i said it was crap evidence.

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yes of, lol. and your name is? do you either parties?

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Whoever gave you the 'scrote' karma comment needs to get a life target - or at least say their piece here!

Here's some karma back...

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thanks very much, and did you notice no name?

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Why nobody witnessed this crime is a mystery, surely someone saw or knows
something ,or Hollins Lane is the only street in England without a curtain
twitcher.
Yanto. W.