Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

I use the lottery machine at work... it's so annoying because when people fill in lottery tickets they never mark off the 'no' box on the slip to say NO to playing Dream Number which means i have to press about 30 buttons on the machine to actually process the slip..... to make things worse, people use the old slips which is more hassle....it's just confusing....
So if ya gonna play the lottery without playing Dream Number, please mark the 'NO' box to save time..........:D

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

why should they mark off something when they don't want it? tell the lottery to make it so that they mark it if they DO want it. OR you mark it before you put it in the machine, thats what I'd do.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Why should i waste even more time marking it off myself? and, more to the point, they may want to actually keep that ticket and maybe play that Dream Number later...........
I'm just saying the lottery machine is much more confusing now they've introduced that new game

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

The National Lottery is the biggest scam of all time that the government has perpetrated on the general public.

He biggest winner is the government in that EACH AND EVERY WEEK they cream off several millions in tax. Camelot gets its cut each and every week. Each week only a handful of people from the whole of the population win a meaningful amount.

The cash for good causes is SPLIT BETWEEN THE POPULATION. The good causes distribution is controlled by a handful of Quangos and much of the money has gone to benefit the rich with only paltry sums going to the thousands of genuine good causes. £50m to refurbish the Royal Opera House. If every single person in the UK wanted to attend an opera at the ROH the waiting list would be 72 years long. Was it £13m for the Churchill papers?

You’ve been conned!

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

I've got hundreds..... since i stopped doing it.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

I don't do the lottery anyways myself....the odd scratch card now and then buts thats about it

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Why is it a scam? Are you not aware of how it works?

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

It is a scam Cyfr because the people were duped into believing that real on the ground good causes would benefit. People saw good causes as a piece of extra equipment for hospitals or helping the majority of the public in a variety of ways. Instead huge sums of money have gone to benefit a tiny majority of the population.

The Lottery was started under the pretext that the proceeds would help good causes. The public was coerced into taking part with slick advertising and the message was always “it could be you” and “good causes will benefit”. People including me fell for it like a ton of bricks. Then as the truth dawned on them that it was unlikely to be them and most of the major good causes were for the rich and aristocracy they stopped doing the Lottery in their hundreds of thousands.

I am perfectly aware of how it works. Which part of my post did you not understand?

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

I didn't understand the 'scam' part, because the lottery arnt frauding anyone.
I highly doubt that people arnt cynical, people won't stop buying lottery just because not all of the good causes directly affects them.

Also, read the lottery grant thread, theres many many organisations that have got grants and they certainly don't sound like "the rich and aristocracy"

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

A scam - con - rip-off - cheat - trick - fiddle - swindle - sting – dodge.

People stopped buying Lottery tickets for two reasons. They realised that the odds were hopelessly against them and the good causes that they thought would be helped were not.

OK! Which genuine people’s good cause has received $10m let alone £50m?

Oh! Yes! Thousands of real good causes have received grants but what was the value? The majority measured in tens of thousands with a few in the hundreds of thousands mark. The bulk of the big money grants has gone to the aristocracy and the rich.

How long has the government been a good cause? It takes several million each week as tax.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

The government dosn't get good cause money though does it? 28p from the pound goes to good causes, 12p to Government. COMPLETLY SEPARATE.

Here are some genuine good causes, could you find me some that have gone to "the aristocracy and the rich" please?

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

You are making my case for me Cyfr.

The 12p that the government gets is just to the government and no one else. The 28p that goes to the charities is spread over thousands of good causes. Camelot makes more than any single charity – with a few exceptions and they make it every week. It is very rare that a single good cause gets more than one grant.

Would you be able to use the Sports Training Village? Would anyone from anywhere be able to book some time there to improve their own particular participation in a sport?

What about all the privately owned stately homes that have received multi-million grants? You try to get a chance to look around one of them to see how the Lottery money has been spent. Go on knock on the front door and ask to look around. You can’t even get to the front door let alone being able to knock on it. Some got the grants on the proviso that the home would be open to the public at certain times of the year. Finding out when is practically impossible although the dates and times are often published on a billboard in the grounds. But you can’t get into the grounds to read it.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

I see advertisments for cat food, but I don't go out and buy it. Neither have I ever bought a lottery ticket ater being hoodwinked by any ad campaign.

People buy them in the hope that they will be rich beyond their wildest dreams, and not to aid good causes. There are plenty of other avenues available if they want to give to charitable causes.

The Lottery isn't a tax, we have a choice if we wish our money to fund some of these dubious good causes.

I'm happy in the knowledge that I've saved over six hundred pounds, instead of buying a weekly ticket since it started, and some of the high profile winners, including rapists and Chav scum, more than counteract the lie that money alone makes you happy.:)

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

You're getting yourself in a twist. You say Camelot makes more than any single charity, but then you go on to complain about how you might not be able to use EVERYTHING that has had a grant. Well, you're sort of contridicting yourself there arnt you, because if I donated money to charity, i'd be donating it expecting it to help someone else, not myself.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Yes it is, it's a tax on stupidity! Who, in their right mind, bets on odds of fourteen million to one?

And as for the grants to schools for changing rooms, education provision is the responsibility of central government and must be paid for from the receipts of general taxation. When the lottery was first proposed John Major's government were at pains to point out that it should not be seen as a substitute for government spending in any area. But under Blair and Brown this is exactly what it has become.

went into woolworths today and remembered what you hd posted so i ticked the box, but then she said "which draw is it for tonight or wednesday" lol what i fool i felt then lol (Chav Keep your opinion to yourself on this one i dont want to hear it lol)

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

The only thing twisted Cyfr is your logic.

Most people perceived the Lottery as a means of first getting rich if they could win the ‘big one’ and second that the thousands of deserving causes in the UK would benefit from some financial aid.

A good cause or Charity if you like is set up because someone has identified a public need that has not been addressed by the government. Thus the public benefit from the charity if and when they need that service. Take the PDSA for instance. Many people make donations then if they have an animal in need and they cannot afford the vet bills then the PDSA will provide for them the required service for free or for just a donation. What about Age Concern or Child Line. People don’t expect to have a need for the service that they provide but should the need arise they can get the service.

Can the ordinary person in the street go and view the Churchill papers? No! Not unless they happen to be on display and even then access is restricted to the pages being shown under glass. Most of the time they are not on display and only accessible to bona fide historians. Can Joe Bloggs book a seat at the Royal Opera House or view many of the country seats that have received Lottery funds?

Do have a think before you put fingers to keyboard Cyfr.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Maybe you should think, as obviously some charities can give stuff back, but I don't quite see myself needing the likes of caffod, I donate to help others.

Theres some charities that can give stuff back, and some that won't, oh look, exactly the same where grants are concerned.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

A Lottery grant is no different to general public donations except that it is in one lump sum and the organisation has to apply for it. Not an easy task for those who really do need a bit of a boost. A doddle for Lord Snooty who will get his solicitor to complete the application form.

I don’t suppose that anyone gives to a charity with the thought in mind that one day they might need the service but the point is that should they need that service they will get it.

I’ve stated my view on the issue and presented facts to back up my view so there is no point in going over old ground again.

You don’t seem to be able to back up your opposition to my argument with facts only personal opinions.

Shouldn’t a lad of your age be out enjoying himself on a Saturday evening?

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

I've provided evidence, I even went over documents over where money has been granted in the last few years, I researched the amounts of go to good causes, I provided evidence on previous posts, unlike you whome likes to name 'Lord Snooty and his solicitor' why not back it up with a real world example? Heck at the present im not even arguing against that, but you'd be doing a lot better at convincing me that your opinion is right, if you attributed that statement with examples.

It's not your place to suggest where I should be, don't get personal, it dosn't make you look good. Funny how i've debated with someone whome perhaps should be the most wise due to their age, and yet have turned to personal childish ankle biting..

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

I Gave Up Doing The Lottery Earlier This Year, I Put £2 In A Purse Each Saturday And £1 On Wednesday,,and Voile,a Purse Full Of Pound Coins,,,shame I Dident Do It Earlier...

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

B*llocks.

They just dreamed of being incredibley wealthy.... the good causes may have eased there conscious as they scratched away their child benefit though.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Change the bleedin' record.

Gayle has offered her proven services to anyone wanting to apply for lottery (free) money.

Lord Snooty my arse, it's open to all to apply, and has been proven from the organizations that have benefited from your money Jambutty, before you wised up.

Ask her to apply for funding for Darwen's Moany Old Gits Museum. If I was daft enough to enter the lottery I'd be right behind you.;)

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

My you do have a bee in your bonnet on this issue Cyfr. I’m not trying to convince you or anyone else that my opinion is right, just that it is my opinion. Some people will be like minded and others will not.

You are being argumentative for arguments sake.

Quote:

It's not your place to suggest where I should be, don't get personal, it dosn't make you look good.

Do you understand English? Just exactly which part of “Shouldn't a lad of your age be out enjoying himself on a Saturday evening?” is a suggestion? I would also point out that I do not post on this forum to ‘look good’.

You have offered your opinion on the subject and I have offered mine and ne’er the twain shall meet. If you want to continue splitting hairs then go ahead but you will be arguing on your own.

If you don’t want to ‘hear the record’ garinda then don’t read the posts or are we all supposed to bow to your demands? You could also try reading and understanding what has been written before spouting off.

I am well aware of Gayle’s kind offer to help with Lottery fund applications. That only serves to confirm that the application is not a simple affair.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

It's plain as daylight for everybody to see exactly what you have wrote, and it's pretty obvious that you were insinuating that I should be out on Saturday night rather than posting on Accyweb, so whether you want to be pedantic about it being a suggestion or not, it doesn't change a thing. As a matter of fact I had company round. That's all i'll say on the matter.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Never having bought a lottery ticket I see it as an act of charity.:)


At your age I don't expect anybody to bow. A small curtsey will suffice.:p

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Well anyway, back to the actual thread.....
One....yes ONE person actually marked the NO box on his ticket yesterday when i was working
tehe
it IS highly annoying :D
Lea
x

PS....Cyfr and jambutty....lovin' the argument...carry on ;)

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Do you work at woolworths if so it was me lol! Because i read ur thread and thats what reminded me to do it lol

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Tehe! I didn't notice your reply!!! i don't work at Woolies......but close...tehe!
And at least someone took note!!! If only other people would...so much quicker!!!
Lea
x

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

“What I have written” Cyfr – written. Only Ernie Wise got away with ‘what I have wrote’.

However what is pretty obvious is that your grasp of the English language is limited to your INTERPRETATION of what has been written. How you can interpret a simple questioning sentence (“Shouldn't a lad of your age be out enjoying himself on a Saturday evening?”) as anything else is beyond me. But then that is what some people do when they do not have a coherent point to make. Read something into what has been written that isn’t there.

If that question had been asked of me my reply would have been something on the lines of, “No! I’m having an evening in.” or “Yes! I’m going out later on.”

I guess that you will want the last word on this issue, so go ahead and say your piece. Just try to remember, “When in a hole. Stop digging.”

Quote:

At your age I don't expect anybody to bow. A small curtsey will suffice.

Sarcasm is the lowest from of wit

Quote:

PS....Cyfr and jambutty....lovin' the argument...carry on

Maybe we should make a new Carry On film ploppysirploppy– Carry On Arguing.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Who are you, the grammar police? This is a local forum....not an english exam paper. More to the point, little things like that do not make your argument stronger, they only suggest that your losing the debate so have to turn to completely irrelevant, petty things to try make you 'look good'. It hasn't worked.
And anybody would interpret “Shouldn't a lad of your age be out enjoying himself on a Saturday evening?” as personal....who wouldn't? Who's to say a lad of his age HAS to be out on a Saturday night? Is this your stereotypical view of 18 year olds? This was obviously not 'simple questioning' but an actual dig towards him as you're losing the debate.....
And speaking of this debate, what was my thread actually about......hmm....Dream Number I think... but you posted something that has little relevance to what I started....

Erm....Who mentioned scams? How you can interpret a thread being about Dream Number tickets into something about it being a con is beyond me. :D

.......Exactly.....

Lea
x

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Do I detect some self opinionated female wrath here?

Now let me see a debate is where two or more people discuss a topic or subject if you like, and put forward their own points of view. It is not a contest where someone wins and someone loses. You could argue that an argument is a contest but this thread is not an argument but a discussion that has drifted off the main topic. That being how annoying it is when the Lottery slips are not filled in correctly. So now you are getting all bitter and twisted because your opening post has drifted off topic to a degree, although it is still about the Lottery. The majority of posts do not stay on topic for very long in this forum. It’s par for the course. I don’t see you castigating other people who take a thread off topic.

I would remind you that it was Cyfr who asked why I thought the Lottery scheme was a scam after presumably reading and understanding my post. I have just responded to his posts.

I do notice that your grammar and spelling are beyond reproach, which is something I guess.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Self opinionated? I'm just posting what others are thinking if they read everything that has been said. Female wrath? Not only do you catagorise 18 year olds, you actually bring gender into it....to me, sexism isnt offensive...but it's just another 'little thing' you add to try get to someone's nerves. Next you'll be mentioning the fact I'm 17...



And who's fault was that....
I'm not getting bitter and twisted about it....I just get slightly annoyed when you insult someones grammar, and where they should be on a Saturday night when they is just no need for it....and since you've mentioned grammar...I would like to point out that "That being how annoying it is when the Lottery slips are not filled in correctly."..is not a sentence unless you conjoin it with the sentence previously. Petty mentioning this I know, but since you putting "What I have written” Cyfr – written. Only Ernie Wise got away with ‘what I have wrote’"...I thought to myself 'if a 69 year old man can be this petty..why can't I?'

"The majority of posts do not stay on topic for very long in this forum."....I can see.....the 2nd reply I got changed the subject....yes, not very long...oh, it was your reply.

"I don’t see you castigating other people who take a thread off topic."....I don't see others mentioning grammar or saying where an 18 year old SHOULD be on a Saturday night.

Lea
x

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

I wasn’t going to dignify your inane rant with a reply but I have to respond to a few points.

I don’t care if you are 17 or 117 although it is comforting to know that you know what others are thinking. Maybe you should start a stage act with your talent of knowing what other people think.

My you are thin skinned if you think that correcting someone’s grammar is insulting.

If you think that my grammar is incorrect then have it your own way. My grammar and spell checker didn’t object to the paragraph that you refer to.

Now go and look at other posts by other members. If you are going to make a point do so from strength not just one isolated post.

Now where did I say that someone SHOULD be doing something on a Saturday night? Night? Surely I wrote evening! If you cannot quote a person correctly how on earth do you expect your point to be taken seriously? If you recall the sentence was:
“Shouldn’t a lad of your age be out enjoying himself on a Saturday evening?”
That is a far cry from your insinuation.

But then I have come to expect people twisting things around to make their point plausible.

C’est la vie!

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Lol.
Just like to say I was grinning thoughout reading that.
Don't rely on a computer spell/grammar checker...use your own brain.
"Now where did I say that someone SHOULD be doing something on a Saturday night?".......you said it when you said “Shouldn’t a lad of your age be out enjoying himself on a Saturday evening?” ...... I thought 'shouldn't' is the opposite to 'should'....hmm...maybe I'm wrong...I'll just check on my computer.....
Lea
x

PS. Evening/Night......Such a big difference to their meanings I'm sure.....

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

And there I was thinking that sarcasm was the lowest "from" of wit... Shucks.

It's very nice of you to inform young wippersnappers like myself of how incorrect our grammar and spelling are, as I'm truly awful at spelling. I am quite grateful when someone points out flaws in my spelling, as it enables me to refrain from making the same mistakes in the future. You however, should probably brush up on your commas as they seem to be lacking in certain places. *Maybe* I should've PMed you about that to dumb down on the public humiliation you may feel.

Let's get back to the point though. You feel that the money should go to causes that are in need of help. I agree wholeheartedly, but let's not make some pretence that people are in the lottery for the good cause. If I were to partake in the lottery, I'd damn well do it for my own desire for wads and wads of cash! If I were a small struggling charity in need of some cash, I do believe that I'd take the time to fill in a request for a helpful donation of money from the lottery. At the age of 61, perhaps you should've wisened up to large corporations making a pretence at being a charitable, happy go lucky, charming firm who only want to look after the impoverished in this world. Maybe I'm a young cynic, but I base it off experience.

And shouldn't a respectable gent like yourself be in bed by this hour?

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

That is being so pedantic, over the words night and evening. Thats a perfect example of why you get up peoples backs.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Will you lot please..... pack it in??? You’re spoiling a good thread.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Nice to see the deprived and run down area of childwall get something. My sister used to live there. No pronounced d in childwall.
Pdsa write to me and ask for donations. I used to give until rags got ill and they told us 'sorry pdsa don't cover your post code' . So all that time they'd been collecting money off the good people of Atherstone and the pdsa don't even cover the town.
I didn't realise just how many good ground level good causes benefit from the lottery, that womans forum tea fund for example. I don't benefit from that do I, or do I? what did it really go on. oh yes vj day and international womans week. but as I'm not in accy I don't benefit do I, same as I don't from childwall school, pdsa, or churchill papers, or the Olympics or......

Does that mean that they shouldn't get the money though or that they don't deserve it.

I actually Think I benefit from all of those, the benefit is a better society as a whole, less slums, more community spirit, more civic pride, less suffering animals, a clearer conscience for me, a preserved history, a proud country.

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

In days of old when men were bold and women – er I’d better not finish that. Long before the advent of computers people like me used a pen, ink and paper to actually write real letters by hand. Then came the fountain pen and then the ballpoint pen, which made life a bit easier for the letter writer. However I have always had a dictionary to hand to check the spelling of words that I was unsure of. But then I care about what I write.

I do use my both my brain cells Lea but as you get older you tend to forget small relatively unimportant things. So a grammar and spelling checker in a word processor is just another tool to use so why not use it if it is available. It helps to try and make sure that I write what I mean and conversely mean what I write.

Shouldn’t is indeed the opposite of should but if I had used should instead of shouldn’t the whole meaning of the sentence would have changed. Strictly speaking there is no such word as shouldn’t but language evolves over time so it has now become acceptable to use shouldn’t, couldn’t or wouldn’t.

There is a huge difference between evening and night today although I would imagine that over time they would both come to mean the same thing. Right now night means the dark hours and evening means the period between the afternoon and night. When those times are according to a clock is wide open to interpretation. However in general people will view the evening as between 6:00pm and the average going to bed time.

Sarcasm is indeed the lowest form of wit DeShark and can be used effectively on the right occasion.

Ah! The question of commas – a contentious point. When I was taking the “A” level Creating Writing course at Blackburn College several years ago the Professor who marked my work put the comment “so may commas”. Some people like commas all over the place and others do not. But if you feel that my prose is lacking in commas then that is your opinion. I just happen to disagree. Otherwise I would have put more in. Of course I could have combined those last two sentences to satisfy your desire for commas and wrote, “I just happen to disagree, otherwise I would have put more in.”

Er! I’m 69 not 61.

You post was timed at 2138 BST so to answer your question – no it’s too early for a doddering old fart like me to be in bed. There is far too much fun to be had on this forum.

Uh! Oh! An admonishment from Len.

Please sir! Mr Moderator sir! It was him and her and him and me who started it. Please don’t make me kneel on dried peas again!

THE END!

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Does it check your spelling/grammar in French as well? (See post 34.)

Which is against forum rules, if you check.:D

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

You know, we all had the decency to stop when Len asked....but you carried on ranting.....well done...you got the last word...happy?
You must get some kick outta this, oh sorry, that's not acceptable, 'out of' this.
Lea
x

Re: Lottery Dream Number....GRRRRRR
 

Lea, well said and thankyou, respect due. It’s a pity others can’t abide.

The End.

:)