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I don’t mean why are we on this forum but what is the purpose of our existence on this planet?

Before anyone considers answering, can we please dispense with the facetious remarks and repartee between the usual few that often hijacks a thread and turns it into a meaningless rant? Can I offer a reminder that at the top of the General Chat forum it states quite clearly, “common sense in here please. Decent serious discussions to be enjoyed by everyone!”

I don’t suppose that this is the first time that someone has asked the question nor will it be the last but just WHY ARE WE HERE? What is the purpose of our existence?

Is it because, as all religions would have us believe, that if we don’t blot our copybook too much when we die we will be magically transported to heaven, the promised land, Valhalla or whatever a religion calls it. What if we do ‘blot our copybook’ seriously, what happens to us then? Oh! Yes! We are supposed to go to Hell.

Or is it plain and simple to ensure the continuance of the human race and we as individuals do not really matter once we have spawned an offspring or two?

I favour the “we are here to procreate to ensure the continuance of the human race.” But there is another point. Once we have done our duty to the human race we should ensure that our off spring have a decent planet to live on so that they can continue doing their duty to the human race.

Being closer to the end of the human road than most of the forum members I will find out before them but I doubt very much if I will be able to come back and reveal the real truth.

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Hmmmmm I will have to think about this one Acrylic BoB..........:D

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This is my take on it and might upset some most or all and if I do I appologise in advance.

Life as we know it might or might not be a scientific fluke depending on which angle you take. Our sun is a small stable star that has the envious (so far of having a rocky planet with an atmosphere that contains elemental gases that allow us to live and survive. All this because we are the rightish distance from the sun to allow life as we know it to survive with orginisms that provide what we need ie food and oxygen in atmosphere that is the biproduct of plants feeding.

Or some big galactic dude who was bored decided to have an experiment and droped Adam n Eve on our rock with the instructionto go forth and multipy. That dosnt make sense as for man and women to procreate it would have been incest. Now after they were cast out things sort of trundled forward with floods war exciles homecomings prophecy and all the rest untill yon big dude decided his own son would have to go and sort this lot out and make them better people and make them rightious. From what we have at the moment he has failed.

I aint knocking religion its just that the Adam n Eve bit dosnt work considering that though there are 6 billion + bods on Earth our genetic stock is narrow and can be traced back to 7 women only so maybe Adam had a harem (lucky sod) even if that was against the big dudes laws.

The other thought as pointed out in another thread it might be in someway multi layered this universe of ours and we could be making universes every time we pop an atom or two. At the end of the day it started with the Big Bang which started (alledgedly) from nothing leading to all we have and know so far.

Just think we could be a giant experiment which is at the mo going awry as we seem to be destroying everything and as punishment the big cheese has decided sod it let them do it then when on the brink I willl step in. At somepoint we will reach a point were our kids are going to inherit a worn out pigsty that will be as much use as a Marshall amp on the Moon.

It will be down to personal beliefs as to which you follow and believe though mine is a mix of both as one is as feasable as the other so I myself sit on the fence.

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Lucky for you i did come back then!! hehehehe basically why am i here? is to bring up my children, teach them all i know & learnt to survive in the big world today & to value & enjoy my life as best i can as its a gift because i was so wasting it:D fortunately im given that 2nd chance to put right - i was lucky the taster death wasnt nice & was then what i realised what im here to do & what im here for albeit no defined tick sheet.....thats my purpose tho i cant explain the universe & what nots!!

We all have our functions to fullfill in life only thing is its a long journey of discovery - gee would be boring if we knew everything would it?! The supposed fun bit is searching & discovering it also living to that potential. Yeh main things are is to procreate & bring next generation - yeh main functions but what about them that cannot do that? What i think is that we all start in hell aka earth & work our worthyness to the pearly gates once we have lived what was destined however big or small - hence i got thrown out quick i hadn't lived my potential & destiny yet. The only thing certain in life is death im afraid & your a long time dead than alive so makes sence to make the best of it & whatever that drives it. We see the importance of money & things, more than the value of life until u lose someone or your life is at stake which can be too late for a lot of people, if money & things was important - gee you could take it up with ya to spend or keep literally [which isnt it what Egiptians (sp?) thought? funny how architects can still find their buried stuff & end up in museums - so that disproves that beleif], makes sence to pass it down the generations i'suppose.

Truth is we beleive what we want to beleive as when things arn't not concreted in stone, in fact JB some people do come back as ghosts so a lot beleive others dont, funny is when if u can be a ghost & u have great messages from above & the answer to life - is that concrete evidence enough to convince absolutely everyone? {classic case is religeon - even that doesn't convince everyone & has been in some cases changed accordingly to beleif] & bascially i think your Question poses that very thing is ....beleif, trouble is we dont have the same beleifs so there is no concrete answer to it other than what each of us beleives is our destiny - even that can be proved wrong as we grow & change & other forces change or decide for us.

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Would anyone come back and reveal the big secret or is it to shocking to be told? We are born we grow we breed we die may be thats the big secret. We should take what we are given and enjoy it prosper by it and pass on the lessons we learnd to the next generation.

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Too true Spuggie:D

Anyways i dont think there is ever a definate answer dont even think the creator of life knows either:rolleyes: so if that dont then how can we know lol

All we know is we live then die - the inbetweens are whatever you make it or whatever that happens - thats they mystery of life:D

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having seen a few dead bodies in my time and seeing somone die i can assure you that no mysterious spirit or inner being floats out of their body and heads towards the heavens

i can assure you though that should you dig that persons body up a few years after burrial you will find rotting flesh and bones

so in short the reason we are here is to die so dont waste your life prepparing for the after life , enjoy the one and only chance at life your gonna get :)

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As a muslim i believe that life is a test. A test to prove that you can be a good person and muslim. before you ask, No that doesn't exactly mean blowing myself up. blowing yourself up isn't one of the five pillars. proving that your a good muslim means that you can follow the five pillars. I pray five times, I fast, give charity accept allah as my god and hope to go hajj sometime.

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Everyone has there own take on this, but here is what I think for what it's worth.
We don't ask to be born but we are and we are put on this earth for a reason.
Ours is not to reason why, ours is to do or die. Springs to mind.
We each have a job to do here on this earth plain.
To teach lessons and learn lessons.
I don't believe in heaven and hell as such but do believe there is another existence and the greater good.
All this if there was a god then he wouldn't let bad things happen is a load of baloney. We have freedom of choice and are responsible for our own actions. I don't want to go into religion but each religion seems to have there own god.
I have seen smiles come on a dead persons face.
We are here to do the best we can for our selves and others. We can do what ever we like so long has it harms none including our selves.

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I might tell you the meaning of life....just as soon as you stop asking younger members of Accy Web, such as Kash, to answer the complex question as to if he would shop fellow Muslims if he knew they were planning a terrorist attack, even though in the intervening five days he hadn't been on line.

IN the meantime I shall be as facetious or not as I like.

Hey ho, such is life.:)

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I would like to think there is another life after this, Iwould love to see my mum and dad again,,,but i dont believe in spiritulisum and mediums and such...
but i realy dont knock them that do...There must be a purpose to life..."what"?

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I am having a change time at the moment and this question has been puzzling me for quite some time.

Wish i had the answer, the only thing i have read that kinda explains it to me is by Bill Hicks and it goes like this

"The world is like a ride in an amusement park and when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and around and around and it has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud. And it's fun - for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question; is this real? Or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, and they say, "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because... this is just a ride."

i believe it is that simple. just try and enjoy it..

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I'm not convinced there is a 'why'.

Some people choose not to have children, some people can't, so the reason can't be 'to procreate' as it would be a lot easier. It's unlikely to be because there are better things ahead of us in the afterlife because I think we would have been told - you can't offer a reward without actually offering it, I think that's just our wishful thinking. We can't be here to spread our knowledge or why would some people be so overidingly thick? And finally, if there are aliens, do they have the same 'why' as us?

There's no reason - we're just here! Science had a bit of a quirky day and produced a planet that could sustain life!

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Wow, guess I joined up at an opportune time (or maybe not cause I may face attack). Until a bit ago, I had believe as many of the previous threads and would have been the first to attack a thread or belief like mine. I certainly did not believe in a God and even dabbled with different religions. All I found was empty promises, out-right lies and cheats, or hypocriticals.

However, as my "name" implies, I have hope that now rules my life. I have a peace that I never thought I needn't and did not think I desired. I no longer lie in bed at night wondering what it's all about. Struggling with the hate, impoverishness, and fears that I thought was all this life had to offer.

I now know what the meaning of life is, what I'm here for, and where I will definitely spend eternity. I'm not where I want to be but I'm not where I used to be.

Trust me friends,

Hope Rules!

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Being closer to the end of the human road than most of the forum members I will find out before them but I doubt very much if I will be able to come back and reveal the real truth.[/quote]

Steady on there, Jam. Me and thee are not so far apart in age and I for one plan to continue on for at least 30 more years. Hope you, too, will look forward with optimism.

As to the meaning of life.....well, I don't believe we are meant to know all in the here and now. I suspect most people will be greatly surprised when they pass. There is so much more than we mere mortals could ever imagine. I have relatives who have, over the years, been contacted from the beyond. Odd tales from very rational people. So, who knows?

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Unlike the old you I don't feel the need to attack anyone's beliefs.

Perhaps that's why it is unlikely I will have a similar conversion.

If it makes people happy, they don't kill too many people in the name of it, and it doesn't frighten the children, religion is a fine crutch for a lot of people.

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hell of a question, like spug i find it impossible to get my head around - we are all here through adam n eve (think about it) sorry i just don,t buy that.a lot of people are here cos a couple wanted sex no other reason, some are here cos a couple really wanted children. our purpose on earth i think is just to make the best of it without destroying others. i havent bin to church for about 20 years,yet i do believe. also believe theirs an afterlife, and if you can make sense of that your a better man than me gunga din.;)

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Hey Hoperules, I appreciate your passion. I know that my faith has gotten me through some really tough times. Not as just a crutch but more like an intensive care unit.:) Yeah I still struggle with stuff i.e. worries and fears, but find I too have a peace when I keep my focus straight!

What caused such a drastic change in your life?

Brian

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Its what you believe that matters. If you are comfortable with that then thats ok. I would never try and foster my somewhat screwed up ideas on this onto others and as to my original post I will appologise if I upset some of you out there. Me I am just gonna carry on in my unique way and sod any who try to change me. :p

Why are we here? Well there cant be an answer to that or there are as many as there are fish in the ocean (though not as many as there was due to over fishing) as they say. Is it because we are intelligent that we ask this or do other animals contemplate it? Take the Lemming if there are too many of these critters and food is short they commit suicide to let the young and fitter survive. What do we do we wait until they are half dead, Africa persay have a whip round and dole out food. What would be a starving Africans take on this question be under them circumstances?

Ok babble over. :D

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I agree with Gayle, there does not HAVE to be a reason. Also JB, the Christian faith tells its followers that getting to heaven has nothing to do with if you have blotted your copybook or not, or to what degree. It tells them that they cannot possibly get to heaven by their own deeds, the only way they can get there is to accept Jesus Christ as their personal saviour. He died on the cross so that their sins could be forgiven and allow them to enter the gates of heaven. None of this is provable, it's based purely on blind faith.

I agree with Rindy, it's just a crutch because people cannot accept their mortality. Also, the differences in peoples religious beliefs has caused more trouble than anything else since history was first recorded.

As someone else said, just make the best of it whilst your here, no-one has yet proved there's anything more.

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Jesus Christ as their personal saviour. He died on the cross so that their sins could be forgiven and allow them to enter the gates of heaven. None of this is provable, it's based purely on blind faith.



Now that is where I disagree. Christianity is the only faith that IS provable in that Jesus is the only "leader" who did everything he said he was going to do. Yes he did die, but He rose from the dead which he said he was going to do. And it is proved in all kinds of historical references - not just the bible that only quacks read.

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Even in myth there is likely to be a grain of truth. Wether he died and was reserected is an open debate and always will be. Some see him as a savior some as a prophet some might even say a fraud. Dosnt matter wich it comes down to what you believe. He could have been close to death when they decided he was dead (he played dead) and when he was interned into his grave he recovered enough to leave. Mary Magdaline could have played nurse to him and helped him recover and this was seen as the devine resurection. He assended to heaven as stated in the books but could just as easily just done a runner to get away from it all. Again its what you believe that matters and that alone.

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Yes WillowTheWisp, but told by whom? Another human being claiming that his tale is coming from a God?

It seems to me that religion was invented to control the masses.

It is a bit of a myth that Lemmings commit suicide SPUGGIE J. Quote off the Internet.

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So-called "Suicidal March to the Sea" about every 3-4 years. Populations "cycle," increasing greatly approximately every 3-4 years. When this happens, lemmings may migrate in large numbers from densely populated areas in the mountains down to birch forests, searching for food. Encountering natural obstacles, including bodies of water, causes panic and a "flight response." This behavior sometimes takes them into the sea, and large numbers may die. So, they may die in this individual quest for food, but they aren't committing suicide for the sake of the rest of the population.

But I’m with you on your attitude to life.

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the Christian faith tells its followers that getting to heaven has nothing to do with if you have blotted your copybook or not, or to what degree.

The Catholic Church tells us that if a person dies in mortal sin they WILL NOT GO TO HEAVEN JohnW but go straight to Hell for all eternity. If a person dies with some sin tainting their soul they will spend time in Purgatory whilst their sins are expunged and then pass on to heaven. Only a person without sin or children before they are confirmed go straight to Heaven.

Pure Bunkum! Such tales are designed to try and keep people obeying the religion’s rules.

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Thanks Jambutty I stand corrected on the Lemmings. The power of the internet wins again. It was put across to me that they just commited suicide now I know better. Mind you there are animals that do commit suicide for the sake of their ofspring and octipi come to mind. Better check the internet in case I am wrong again.

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That is pre-supposing that there is a ‘loving God’. If this God was so loving and caring why does he or she allow the untold misery that afflicts millions of people and in particular innocent children?

The God cheerleaders will no doubt point out that we were given free will and it is our doing that these miseries occur and when the times comes we will be punished.

I too used to believe that Lemmings committed suicide SPUGGIE J. So you were not alone.

It was only when many years ago a programme on telly shattered that myth that I learned otherwise.

I have never heard anything about octopuses giving up their life for the sake of the little ones though. So maybe they do but I’m not interested enough to try and find out.

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Much obliged for the gift of 20 Karma points from anon.

I think I know who it was.

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I seemed to have missed any scientific fact that proves Jesus did everything as quoted in the Bible.

Could you please point me in the right direction, so I can be illuminated with the facts?

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Just today i have been out on a job... i specifically sad i would do this job because the weather forecaster said it would cloudy today and sunny tomorrow .. on no report did it mention rain!!! i have now returned home wet through......!!!!

i sat in the rain thinking if all the scientists in the world can't even predict the weather which happens everyday 365 days a year how could they possible know what happened 4.5 billion years or so ago when the big bang happened.. as far as i am concerned all scientists are guessing and not very intelligently at that..!!!

as far as adam and eve go this is my take.... Adam was sat in the garden of Eden and turned to Eve and said " we live in paradise, every wish is instantly granted, everything around us is pure and of good heart" and Eve turned to Adam reaching up to the apple tree and said " Yep! it's just not enough"

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That’s another myth Th3daddy. Nowhere is an APPLE TREE mentioned. It is referred to as the FORBIDDEN FRUIT from the tree of knowledge. So if such a simple point has been misquoted what price other points from the Old Testament have also been changed?

http://www.liverpoolreaders.org/showcase/showcase1.htm

If we are to believe the Adam and Eve story that they begat Cain and Able plus a few other sons and daughters and Cain and Able got married. To whom?

When challenged with this question a Jehovah Witness who had had the misfortune to knock on my front door replied, “Brothers married sisters and begat their own children.”

Science tells us that if a child is born to blood relatives like brother and sister the off spring will most likely be imbecilic or at least have some major genetic defects. This does not mean that if a child is born with major genetic defects, its parents were blood relatives though.

So I guess that we are all imbeciles.

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If you believe in Creation or Evoltion, we must all originally have been descended from the same life force.

I once read that everyone in the world is genetically descended from an African female skeleton they found and named Elizabeth.

Perhaps those Renaissance artists picturing Eve as white got it wrong. She should have been black, and it should have been Adam and Liz.

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Wow, so many questions and thoughts. I used to have the same and then some. Hard to address each one but would love to give it a go. For anyone doubting the story about Christ's death and resurrection please get yourself a copy of "The Case For Easter" by Lee Strobel. I questioned everything that this wonderful little book covers. It is amazing how he lays out, with facts, yes facts, the proof of what Jesus did.

Lancyorkyankee asked me about my transformation from an atheist. A while back, I was down at Speaker's Corner Hyde Park. There were the usual variety of blokes ranting on about islam, I'm okay your okay, reality is only reality if you find the right dimension, etc., then off to the side was a bloke who I immediately identified as one of those bornagainer bible-thumpers.

I gave a listen and instead of hitting him with all my knowledge of God's non-existence and the 1000's of discrepancies in his bible, I just listened. He wasn't carrying on about hell and damnation. He wasn't casting an accusational rhetoric my way. He was just laying out a simple message that Jesus (a name that would make my skin crawl) loved me, lived for me, and willingly died for me.

Instaed of attacking his theories I waited till he was done and the crowd left to ask him my many, many, knowledgable questions to dispute all he believed. He had so many decent responses but what I liked the best was that he didn't have all the answers regarding dinasors, the flood, death disease hatred, God's pre-existence, but he knew this:

Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins and he was now a new creature in Jesus Christ. He now was assured that he would spend eternity in Heaven.

I left him with my dignity as an atheist intake but did take from him a little book. My thought was i'd chuck off the book at the first garbage bin.
Instead I held on to it. The rest of the day into the evening I had this terrible nagging sensation in my gut. I read through the little booklet but with a more open eye than I ever thought I would toward this Christianity stuff.

To sum up, I said my first "prayer" in a very long while and asked "God, if you are there, help me to believe!" A peace that I had never, ever felt before came over me. I then started reading through the bible searching for answers and discovered the Truth. As others have said, it's all about Faith.

Hope Rules!

Peter

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I'm not mocking your faith, infact it obviously gives you a great deal of happiness, but I've just read as much as I can about Lee Stobel and still can't see any factual data to substantiate his claims that Jesus did everything as reported in the Bible.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/166/story_16690_1.html

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There was a series on TV a few weeks back about Jesus and his life based on evidence found. Did anyone watch it?

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Garinda, I appreciate your inclusion of this website. It seems to have alot of good information on this very topic as well as on other faiths.

I too respect others views. I try to learn about the various religions from their own publications as well as from the followers of those religions. I ask questions and show them both love and respect.

My "religion" is quite simple and doesn't need all the bells and whistles, pomp and circumstance, traditions, that, as I believe was stated previously, men have made up over the ages to control both individuals and great nations. Much for profit, power, or men's egos.

I accept my faith in Jesus Christ as a free gift that cannot be earned through any kind of good works. I believe in a Heaven and I believe in a hell. Neither do I have close to all the answers but I hope to continue to seek them out.

Thanks for listening!

Brian

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There you go. Even the factions within, supposedly, the same faith, can't agree about how to get to heaven. Bunkum is right!

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Lilith married Frasier Crane. They have a son whose name I cannot recall. They are now divorced and Lilith still lives in Boston with their son. I am unaware if she still goes in the "Cheers" bar. Frasier went to live in Seattle and has a radio programme featuring "on the air" psychiatry. His brother, Niles, married a Manchester girl called Daphne.................................

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What kind of loving father sentences his child to ETERNITY in hell for disobedience? I know that children have to be disiplined, but, ETERNITY...!! What happened to 'turn the other cheek'? Does that apply only to the children and not to the father? Is it a case of "Do as I say, not as I do"?

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I was going to post something but as I read the thread further all this religious stuff started to appear. I think I will go and watch Startgate SG1, it makes as much sense to me as anything else in this thread.

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indeed ...........:)

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Cant have this kind of question and not expect religion to be part of any answer.

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oopppssss double post:o

well its a bit like the thread people have been saying simular things & repeating them, you live you die thats it!:D

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Common sence there is no such thing as it is there :D

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That sounds about right to me. Why waste your time here wondering why you are here?
When you go to Asda do you wonder round wondering why you went in the first place?

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especialy if you have " dont ressusitate " on your medical notes :)

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Well, some of us already have joined in Willow. I have, and Garinda has, both of us 'non-believers' by the tone of our posts. I was brought up C of E, I sang in the choir at St. John's Baxenden, and when we moved to Southport I later became a member of the Boys' Brigade, which is a Christian organisation first and foremost. However, I always struggled with accepting the Christian faith even so early on in my life. Something just didn't seem right, that you are just supposed to believe all this stuff that seems quite incredible in todays world. It was just too fantastic for me even then.

You know what they say, If you talk to God you are praying, if God talks to you you're a crazy person! We read stories in the Bible which, applied to to-day's world seem absolutely ridiculous. You know, Abraham takes his young son up the mountain to kill him because God told him to. He has him tied and bound and the arm with the knife is raised on high ready for the kill, when God stops him. I wonder how the kid felt about that. Did it change his idea that his father loved him do you think, deep down inside? If I took my son to the mountain today and tied him up, and had the knife raised and somebody saw it happen. Do you think they would accept that God was telling me to do all this? Would that make it OK? I don't think so, I'd be in the slammer in no time and quite rightly so. But we're supposed to read that in the Bible and think it's a great story and what a wonderful man Abraham was because he was willing to kill his son because God told him to do so............? There are many other stories which don't make any sense, far too numerous to list here, I'm sure you know as many, if not more than I do.

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I believe that all life is lived then it ends, be it a cell on the wing of a butterfly, an apple tree, or me.

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Tit for Tat, I recomended reading the book not a comentary regarding the book.

John W. asked why a loving father could send his kids to hell. Hell was created for satan and his demons. Other than them I believe no one else gets sent there. We are given a choice to believe in Christ or not.

Why not ask how a loving father God could send his perfect son to die a horrible death. It's cause he does love us so much.

For all those who don't believe I won't convince you here. I would not have convince myself just awhile back. I and others here are planting seeds that others will come along and water and others will fertilize.

One last thought. If what I believe is true when we all die we will all face judgement the question being only what did you do with my son Jesus. Did you believe or not? Those not believing will entering into eternal torment by their own choice.

If it's true I'm safe, if this is just some grand brainwashing I'm under and we all rot or all good ones get in. I'm safe.

Does anybody really want to take a chance on all eternity? I'm glad I KNOW what I know not just for the eternal question but for living day to day!

Coninue sending the private messages all who have been feeling bullied here or fear of ridicule.

Hope Rules!

Peter

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Oh dear Peter, I'm sorry you feel bullied.

It's just a cross some of us have to bear.

I'm sure your Lord Jesus, who also bore his cross, will give you comfort, as well as the personal messages.

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You don't have to be a Vulcan to know that is not logical.

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Blind belief conquers logic.;)

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They can't all be blind or else they could not read the good Book and interpret in their own wierd and wonderful ways.

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Susprisingly I wasn't being disrespectful of anyone's religious beliefs. The whole concept of faith means you believe the basic tenets of what you are told.

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A lot of the brain washing is the fault of faith schools. Children believe what they are told in school, even if it can't be proven. That is why my little boy tells me that "God is all around us". I just had a look, the only living thing i can see is a ginger pussy cat.

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I went to a Christian, but not a particular faith school, and attended church and Sunday School every week from birth until sixteen. I'm glad that I did. A lot of the kind and giving people I met influenced who I am today, but then again I equate true Christianity with Socialism!

Religion has caused innumerable deaths in the name of it throughout history, but on the plus side has given us some wonderful architecture, art and music.:D

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The AccyWeb gremlin won't let me post my response :(

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That makes me really sad, that you didn't feel welcomed as a child at Cambridge Street. You would have certainly got a warm welcome at Rhydding's Methodist Church and Sunday School.

It was the same Church my parents went to, and before the amalgamation of various other Methodist Chapels, my grandparents and great grandparents before that as well. However children whose parents didn't attend with them were made to feel just as much part of the Church family.

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Blimey mate, it wasn't me feeling bullied, I was thinking of the hundreds of viewers who may be too intimidated to post. I could debate you for a long while but what would that accomplish? Remember, I was like all the doubters, I had all the answers, I knew the unanswerable questions, I knew the bible was myth and intimidation, I've read the philosophers, etc.

I find it amusing garinda that of all your impressive knowledge, I'm being sincere, you know more about the bible then I do. I'm still reading and learning and asking many of the same questions like you and your mates.

Enjoy this glorious English day. Be back to the trenches for me.

Peter

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I was hoping for something more from people along the lines of what they do believe in rather than what they don't believe in but it seems we've either got Christians or people who just believe we die and that's the end of it - nowt, zilch, nothing. Surely there are some Accywebbers who believe we're decended from aliens or who ar pagans or something else? It would be interesting to hear some other specific beliefs.

That's probably why people keep a lot of it to themselves for fear of being thought nutcases.

I think it's probably a feature of the times we live in as opposed to those times then. I don't believe God would ask anyone to do anything like that now. It was appropriate then to test the man's faith. He had a big job ahead of him.

Well, they do all make sense to me so I'm not sure which you mean. Maybe like my old RE teacher you don't believe in miracles. I could never undestand how someone can be an RE teacher when they don't believe in something. Mind you these days it's not quite the same sybject it used to be.



That's something I oftn say to people too. :)

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I was hoping for something more from people along the lines of what they do believe in rather than what they don't believe in but it seems we've either got Christians or people who just believe we die and that's the end of it - nowt, zilch, nothing. Surely there are some Accywebbers who believe we're decended from aliens or who ar pagans or something else? It would be interesting to hear some other specific beliefs.

That's probably why people keep a lot of it to themselves for fear of being thought nutcases.

I think it's probably a feature of the times we live in as opposed to those times then. I don't believe God would ask anyone to do anything like that now. It was appropriate then to test the man's faith. He had a big job ahead of him.

Well, they do all make sense to me so I'm not sure which you mean. Maybe like my old RE teacher you don't believe in miracles. I could never undestand how someone can be an RE teacher when they don't believe in something. Mind you these days it's not quite the same sybject it used to be.



That's something I oftn say to people too. :)

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Misunderstanding on my behalf then, sorry.

Good to have you on board.:)

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Hello Mates! Nice to see Accyweb up and running again. I submitted the following as we were switched out of the other site. It was in response to "vindicator's" thread "tories and Iraq/afganistan." I think "he" had about 15 points. My response is not as important as my questions at the end!

Quote from vindicator on Today at 05:13:38:


(3) do me a favour and do some groundwork instead of
relying on the media to indoctrinate you,

(5) sometime not far off, a new "messiah" will be hawked
to the world , and will be pretty convincing among the
goys.

(7) passing on facts doesnt constitute ranting or prove
any mental abnomality of the messenger, the negativity
of the response so far indicates that you will never take
your blinkers off until its too late.

Happy Saturday, I'll show a bit of support for the above bits of your statements vindicator. So you didn't believe all thought all "rubbish."

Allow me a question Accywebbers esp., Garinda, Neil, Jambutty, etc. In my threads on my Christian views, did I come across like vindicator has? (nothing against vin, he is also intitilled) I have found that it can be hard to balance sharing your beliefs without totally turning people off. I'm still new with my Faith and would very much appreciate your responses. Yes, both for and against.

Peter