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Aain a baby suffers at the jaws of so called guard dogs and die's as a result. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/25092006/34...uard-dogs.html I know people who have the breed of dog in question and as pets they have no problem with them even around kids as they are very protective of them. Is it down to the fact that these dogs training is the problem as they seem to attack anyone they dont know on their territory. I think its about time we stopped ysing dogs for this job unless a 100% guarentee that there will be no kids around. They put these animals down which to me is wrong as they are doing what they were trained for. I wont be popular for that remark but why should the animal lose its life because of the inadequacy of its training.

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The problem is having 2, they have a pack mentality and the noise of the baby crying distresses the dogs this is often why they attack. They also have to be destroyed once they've attacked Spuggie, they've had the taste of blood which can never be reversed.

It does come down to responsible dog handling, my staff Ben is uncomfortable around babies so I obviously wouldn't dream of putting him in a situation to be around them. If I have visitors that have a baby he has to go outside, I wouldn't trust him for a minute but he is an excellent dog around older children.

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I realy dont like rotweilers or pit bulls,,they are not family dogs,,,,even Princess Annes dog was savage ,but in her case it was one law for me and one law for you lot....

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:eek: Tinks ,why would a dog want to attack our spuggie?:eek:

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;) I think that dog was trying to emulate its master. :rolleyes:

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It's not just the type of dog we should be talking about here, it's how they are trained & treated. My friend is the manager of "The Gynn" in blackpool, he has two dogs, one is a mongrel, the other is an alsatian. Both dogs are family pets aswell as being guard dogs. Both dogs are brilliant around all the customers (especially children) in the pub. When the pub closes though they are very protective, but this is how they have been raised & trained. Out of the two dogs, the mongrel is the most vicious.

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I was once badly bitten on the upper arm by a Mastiff (huge dog, looked like a lion with its mane shaved off). The owner knew its temperament and it was supposed to be kept in the back garden when he wasn't home. I called at the house in the afternoon and the owner's 15 year old son was home alone and had let the dog into the house against his dad's orders. The result was me with an arm that, honestly, looked like a huge black pudding for about a month and still, 11 years later, the scars where its fangs went into my arm.

That dog didn't bark or growl or even look menacing. It just walked out of the front door and grabbed my arm in its jaws. I had a hell of a job to make it let go, and to stay on my feet, while the lad just stood looking shocked.

I reported it to the police because I felt that had it been a small child on the doorstep that day the dog could well have killed it. The boy hadn't told his dad about the incident, when the police went round, and the owner had the dog destroyed which rather upset me as, despite all that, I do love dogs.

The point is that any dog can have its moment and it's part of responsible ownership to recognise that. Dogs that are kept, primarily, as guard dogs are inevitably going to be less placid than hearth-rug pets but every dog has the instinct for, at least, self-preservation. Anyone who doesn't believe that should not keep a dog.

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I have two Labradors who are excellent pets. They both adore children and are very placid, however I would never trust them with young children. They have NEVER given me any reason to mistrust them, but they are only dogs and I would never forgive myself if anything happened. It is a dog owners responsibility to ensure that children (and adults) are kept safe, not just the parents.

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Regardless of how it happened and who's to blame this tragedy just gets worse :(

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...544057,00.html

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Part text .. taken from AOL news ...
"The grandfather of a baby mauled to death by Rottweilers has been stabbed and his partner killed in a separate attack hours later, a family member says.
John Brightwell, 50, and Debra Larn, 47, were attacked at their home in Beaumont Leys, Leicester, early on Sunday, said his niece, 17-year-old Natalie Brightwell."

To loose a child to dogs one day and then your parent the next is unbelievable.

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That is just awful!

Agree that training, handling, controlling dogs are all up to the owners. As above, one slip can ruin so many lives!

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Just read about the grandparents attack and I believe its no coincidence. As for what the dogs did is bad enough but those that attacked the grandparents are no better than the dogs that killed the baby. Now it looks like 2 needless deaths and more heartache.

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Tinks they wouldnt need putting down the taste of my blood would poisen them (blaming the refinery). Besides if a dog bit me for doing something like mistreating it (and no I wouldnt) provoking it etc then its my fault and would not want them put down for something I did. If they cant do it to people then why to dogs. I trust dogs than some people I know.

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we had a german shepard dog from a pup she was no good around people yes she would bite,we never trained her to she was very terratorial and never liked anyone coming near my family,no we never trained her, she just attacked other people,i dont think you can ever trust a dog,

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Had a Jack Russel that hated people threatening me but she only growled and snapped never bit them.

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Good point jackyalex,you cannot ever fully trust a dog.i have a staffy bull terrier pup and all the kids in the street adore her,but if she was left alone with a screaming baby i wouldnt trust her.

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dogs are just like computers they only do what they are told it is the responsability of the owners every time and they should be charged it is not the dogs fault if your dog is "uncomfortable"around young children it's your training at fault not the dog if he had been introduced to small children at a young age you would have no qualms of leaving him with younger kids I am not having a go at you personally just sick of people jumpuing on the band wagon to get rid of dangerous dogs I totally agree with pit bulls have owned them and they are completely untrustworthy owned most breeds of dog and own dogs now have a grandson who is 7 months old and have no fear of leaving him in a room with any of the 5 dogs I now own jack russell x2 stafford x2 doberman x1

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No animal regardless of what it is should be left unattended with children of any age.
Children can be evil towards animals whether intentional or not and similarly animals can take a dislike to someone. No-one can explain why these things happen but its certainly tragic when it does happen.

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Accy Jay i will agree with you there.Its the owners at fault.We have had dogs all our lives and not one has even shown a possibility of attacking a child.
Its the way that they get trained by their owners.Police dogs attack but also know when to stop.Properly trained dogs are not killers.
In Germany they have also had their problems with this type of dog.They upped the dog tax so high that no one is interested anymore

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does your son or daughter know you leave their child with dogs unattended,i would go mental ,when you have more than 1 dog they act as a pack what would you do if the dogs attacked each other whilst your grandson was left alone in the room,he could get hurt,and dont tell me that dogs dont go for each other

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yes they do im not saying they are perfect and i don't leave my grandson on his own with the dogs what im saying i could go and put the kettle on and leave him in trhe same room while i did it only a fool would leave a dog in charge of children!

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well that just shows how much you know about dogs staffords arn't pack dogs as any staffie owners will tell you most terrriers are loners so your pack theory is de bunked

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well if you think you know that for sure your prob the only one

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yeah me and the kennel club

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and every responsable dog owner in the country

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well your talking sh"t ,its in the dogs nature,anyway ive got my opinion youve got yours im gonna leave it at that

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well ive got two dogs ,one of which has grown up with all my children from young have never had a problem with her or feared her around the children ,but now she is older i would never trust her round children nor would i leave her alone with them, I even ask the vet to mussle her before i will let them treat her ,she is still not a viscious dog but she is very old and dosent have the temperement that she once had and i believe that prevention is better than cure i also have a young dog 2yrs old who is completely different,brilliant temperement and really loving and although i know he would nt go for anyone if myself or hubby are around i wouldnt trust him to be around children if i wasnt there, both my dogs are well diciplined but that dosent mean they wouldnt push their luck given half the chance.

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I have a ten year old Jack Russell who has been with me since he was a few weeks old. He was used to running around with the grandchildren as a puppy but since we have been in Spain he rarely sees any kiddies.

Five year old Charlotte turns up on Thursday's now and Top is locked up in the bedroom. I don't think he would hurt her but who is to know? He doesn't like it much but at least I can take Charlotte home in one piece.

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We had a dog many years ago a black labrador. We had him from a puppy we all clubbed together and bought him for my dad. He was my dads dog first and foremost then my nieces dog. She could do anything with him she used to say to him get in your cage sultan and he'd go under a chair we had and she'd lift the seat up he'd poke his head thro and she'd drop the seat of it on his head. He'd do it everytime without fail. Thing is tho my mum used to look after my niece during the school hols and mum could leave her playing in the back garden with the dog and she knew she was safe because the dog would not let anyone else in the garden if she was there. Not even any other kids. We had to shut him in the house if any other kids came to play with her or if it was raining and they came into the house he was shut outside. We had him for about 9 years and in that time he bit once - that was my bro in law. He got drunk and came back to our house and was teasing the dog - he ignored him for ages but he went to far and bit him. So bro in law bit him back and dog turned tail and ran out the back door. That was my bro in laws fault and we tried to stop him but he knew better - well he learnt a lesson. They both did - bro in law not to tease the dog and the dog not to bite bro in law again.

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Sorry absolutly jumped threads here because basicaly I can't be arsed reading them all ( hey honesty never killed anyone):D

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I read about this and, sorry who in there right mind would EVER EVER put there safety infront of there childrens??

OK so their pub might get broken into!!!! so bloody what.....better than losing your baby.

Some dogs are " family dogs " but NO dog is to ever be trusted 100 percent.

My dog is as soft as muck!!!! she is 12 years old and has been around long before my kids............they feel comfortable with her..... but whose to say she won't snap one day, when she is fed up with them lying all over her??

Once a dog shows fiercness.....decide....kids or dog??:mad:

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to me theres not much differance between dogs and kids its how they are brought up.we have a great pooch who dont attack even cats just wants to play with everything he sees, he might lick you to death but thats all. bottom line is would i leave a baby alone with him NO WAY. cos like kids unsupervised they can be little buggars.

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Well put cashy!!!! my dog is actually scared of my cat..............but as you say.....

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Anyone remember back to the 70`s?Summat sticks in my mind about ferrets.Was there not a baby attacked and killed and half eaten by a pair of ferrets?
When it all boils down to it pets that have an hunting instinct should never be left alone with young children.As it has been said young children can be buggers and if a kid is poking something in a dogs eye and well behaved and good tempered animal is going to turn.
Babies should not be left unattended anyway.When my 2 were babies they were never left unattended here was always someone in the room, even when they were havinga nap.

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Originally Posted by bullydia dogs are just like computers they only do what they are told

Totally have to disagree with you, dogs are not like computers, yes a well trained dog will obey commands as a computer does but that is were the similarity ends. A dog is born with animal instinct and no matter how much training is given to that dog it can never be removed, as with any other animal.

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Originally Posted by bullydia it is the responsability of the owners every time and they should be charged

Totally agree, it is the responsibility of the owner and they should be held accountable if the dog attacks anyone.

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Originally Posted by bullydia it is not the dogs fault if your dog is "uncomfortable"around young children it's your training at fault not the dog if he had been introduced to small children at a young age you would have no qualms of leaving him with younger kids

I got my Ben as an owd lad, he was 11 when I got him, he’s now 14 years old so his basic training as a pup and in his influential years was not my doing. He’s a good lad he’s just uncomfortable around babies. I say uncomfortable because when they cry, he cries, it distresses him. Would he ever attack a baby? I don’t know BUT I do know one thing I would never put him in that position were I found out. As a responsible owner it is my job to keep any visitors babies safe and that is what I do, by putting him outside in the garden to enjoy the fresh air. Why at 14 years of age should I put him through the trauma of having to be trained around small babies? I have no intention of having any more kids, he’s my baby and this is his home.

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Originally Posted by bullydia I am not having a go at you personally just sick of people jumpuing on the band wagon to get rid of dangerous dogs

I didn’t think you were having a go at me and I’m not having at go and you when I say people need educating on dogs. It’s the nature of the attack when so called ‘dangerous dogs’ attack. Every day there are numerous people bitten by dogs but the dogs a person may regard as better pets (Yorky Terriers, Poodles, Jack Russels etc.) are just snappy little sods, they might draw blood when they bite but it’s more often than not just a nip. The dogs that get the bad press (Rotty’s, Bull Terriers etc.) when they attack they usually end up making a mess of their victim. Rottys maul, Staffys lock on to their prey. I think (but don’t quote me) it’s something to do with the bone structure around their jaws depends how severe the attack would be.

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Originally Posted by bullydia have a grandson who is 7 months old and have no fear of leaving him in a room with any of the 5 dogs I now own jack russell x2 stafford x2 doberman x1

I wonder if the grandfather thought the same about his 5 month old grandchild and his 2 Rottys? :confused: I bet he did you know. :rolleyes:

As a nation of animal lovers, we have dogs living in our homes as pets, we love them to bits, trust them whole heartedly and would never think they could harm anyone but a responsible dog owner never loses sight of the fact that one day that dogs animal instinct could kick in with our beloved pet with tragic consequences.

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A dog is a pack animal. However much you love and trust a dog you should never lose sight of that fact.

I've had dogs all my life and I always trained them, from puppyhood, to be obedient and even-tempered. All my dogs were cat-friendly and people-friendly (apart from one who hated postmen). They knew their place in the family/pack pecking order and it was at the bottom, even though they were loved to bits.

A well-trained dog is a joy to have around and a great companion but too many people treat their animals as if they were people. They may often behave as though they are "human" but a dog is a dog and it's often a far happier dog for that fact being recognised. We don't know anything about the dogs in this case, how they were regarded and treated in the family etc., but there were 2 of them and it's pretty obvious the pack instinct kicked in when this dreadful tragedy happened. It's always there somewhere under the surface.