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Just like to know all your feelings,opinions on bringing Conscription back.I  feel it could help a lot of young people, in that they would get discipline, a trade and regular income.It is still a way of life in some European Countries

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Doesnt that involve putting them in a uniform and teaching them how to handle a gun?

Duh!

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Do you mean like military service?
They've just done away with that in Italy, and it's about to go in ermany I think. I'm DEAD against it.

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I totally agree with you mik, a lot of young men seem to me to have no concept of values or discipline in there lives maybe this would install something that is lacking 2years national service is a good idea it never did my dad any harm.

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no way - a completely not good idea. People should be able to choose what they do not be forced into a possible wasting of 2 years. If people choose not to go to college or get a job then yes no problem get em in the army or something but otherwise - no way.

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Can you imagine the Pakistani's being conscripted?

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They wouldn't have to be if they have dual nationality as children - when they get to 18 they choose Pakistani nationality and get out of British military service, that's what all dual nationality lads do over here anyway.

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Does Italy have a military?

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Totally against military conscription.

Maybe some kind of boot camp in certain cases.

Surely if we had anything like this it would have to be girls as well, not just boys?

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Italy had an obligatory military service until two years ago. It is now volontary. you can now choose to do military service or community service or neither. Girls can also choose. When it was obligatory, it was only so for boys. It compensates for those months a woman is pregnant......  ;D

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volountry. thats interesting.. whats the sign up rate like.. populor or?

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You can imagine Harry, it was a great relief to everyone that it's now volontary, don't know anyone who's signed up since - have no official figures, but I can imagine it's really low!

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;D   They had national service or community service in Spain. My mates boyfriend did his a few years ago and chose to do community service. They lived in Tenerife at the time and he had to take time off work twice a day to drive the school bus and drop all the kiddies off at home. He actually really enjoyed it and didn't want it to finish. I think it should be a choice. To conscript people into the Army is all well and good in theory, bear in mind how you would feel if it was a member of your family and they had to go to war. We were all worried about my cousin in Iraq, and he has been in the forces for years completely voluntarily :)

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[quote author=Roy link=board=general;num=1064994222;start=0#4 date=10/01/03 at 12:35:09]no  If people choose not to go to college or get a job then yes no problem get em in the army or something but otherwise - no way.[/quote]
Exactly Roy that was more or less along the lines i was thinking.If somebody cannot or will not participate in further education or as sometimes it has been proven not wanting to get a job, a form of conscription could be a way of inserting some form of discipline or even another outlook on life when they have a reguluar income or trade to fall back on

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[quote author=Jo link=board=general;num=1064994222;start=0#9 date=10/01/03 at 14:44:20]. It is now volontary. you can now choose to do military service or community service or neither.
Simuliar to the German system except you have to do one or the other.A lot opt to do the community service,why i do not know.However they look after mentally or medically handicapped people, some even get to work in the hospitals.Helps an ailing N.H.S. no end and gives the people another view as to what is happenning.Blokes who go in to the Army do not seem to mind it at all.The time period here is 18 months.

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[quote author=janet link=board=general;num=1064994222;start=0#3 date=10/01/03 at 11:37:56]I totally agree with you mik, a lot of young men seem to me to have no concept of values or discipline in there lives maybe this would install something that is lacking 2years national service is a good idea it never did my dad any harm.[/quote]
Okay Janet i agree along the lines of value and discipline
but things are more than likley a lot different now as it was in your fathers time.Back then i would think it was more of a peace keeping force.Cyprus and the such, but nowadays there is more chance of you being thrown in to a full scale war.

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[quote author=cazzer link=board=general;num=1064994222;start=0#7 date=10/01/03 at 14:38:41]Totally against military conscription.

Maybe some kind of boot camp in certain cases.

Surely if we had anything like this it would have to be girls as well, not just boys?[/quote]

Boot camp sounds good Cazzer and why not girls too.I just think that if there was maybe some form of basic training like say 9 months then the outlook of a majority of young people could change.

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The thing that got me thinking about this topic was the comments of some of the Forum members talking about ' the layabouts hanging around street corners causing trouble'.Conscription or even Boot camp could be a better way of focusing their energies for better things???

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I really suffered for ages cos of conscription. It stressed me out.
My hubby opted out at 18 cos he went to uni - you can put it off every year until you're 26. At 26, at which point we'd bought a house together, had been living together for 5 years and we're thinking of getting married, they were about to cart him off to military service. We really needed the dosh he would earn from a job - I was doing 2 almost full-time jobs to support him through his studies, but I didn't feel it fair to have to support him through military service as well. I really felt it was an infringement not just on his rights, but on mine too. I was stressed for months thinking he's have to go. In the end they changed the system, just in time, and I was allowed to keep my hubby at home.
It would also have been a nightmare for huim. A mature 26 year old, almost married graduate, being carted off to be given oreders by 19 and 20 year old sergeants - getting up at 5am and wasting two years of your life, while the girls from your class are merrily getting on with their career. Don't think it's fair at all really.

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In Germany jo they do not take you in if you are married.Its like an expensive way out LOL!I realise that there are good and bad things to be said about the idea and that was why i posted the topic.Also i know of some lads over here who had started their own businesses and they still got pulled in to the army.Their businesses went down as well.Surely though along the lines it would be good for some people instead of trudging along every week to sign on.People given a chance to learn something new, instead of hanging around or being sent on work experience courses.Modern form of slaved labour