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Hmmmm NOPE would be the answer to that Willow.
I know they scream and shout and tell you that " you're a horrible parent, tight, my mates mum lets her do it" and all the rest, but what is the alternative?? police sat in your livingroom telling you something awful has happened to your daughter.........I would rather have the screaming hissy fitty teenage daughter. |
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No I wouldn't be happy with that situation.
Can she not be picked up from home? Is no-one available to stand with her to wait for the lift? |
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Glad it's not just me. The guy in charge of the bus phoned to speak to her (gone 10 o'clock last night when she'd already gone to bed) and when I said I wasn't happy with her standing out there in the dark alone he reluctantly agreed to pick her up from home "just this once".
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I wouldnt be happy at the guy in the first place ringing up past 10pm to speak to a 12 year old never mind asking for her to be picked up on a street corner in the dark and alone.
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At least they pick her up, it would be worse if she had to make her own way there and back.
I personally would wait with her and if she didn't like it then she wouldn't be able to go. |
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When I told her this morning she decided off her own bat that she isn't going and is going to phone him tonight to say so. Quite commendable. It's just that the more I thought about it the more I thought I can't be the only one who thinks this is not on.
These people are supposed to be the ones responsible enough to be running a youth club though!!!! |
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Ultimatly it must be the parents responsibility to ensure that she gets there and back safely.
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which youth club Willow, doesn't sound like they know their responsibilities if this is acceptable to them. Have you challanged teh leaders to see if they think it was an acceptable request?
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I know I’m not qualified to say anything on this matter due to the fact that I’m not a mum but why can’t the parent wait with the child? :D
I think I’ve said enough so I’ll leave this for you mum’s to sort out. :o |
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This is why if I was prime minister I'd release a law that all girls at the age of 10 - 14 should take self defense classes that are paid by goverment and is a requirement just like school.
That way parents could have a bit more peace of mind and so will the children. |
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That way parents could have a bit more peace of mind and so will the children.[/QUOTE]
You mean, so that they can sit and watch tele instead of watching the kids? I though most parents did this anyway. :D |
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In this day and age its not even safe for adults to stand on street corners in the dark...
I would make sure she's got a mobile phone and also a personal attack alarm and that she knows how to use it: The best kind of personal attack alarm is the one that uses a pin.... the pin is attached to a wrist band and should an attack happen, then you have to pull out the pin and throw the alarm ( this is so the attacker can not turn it off) they only cost around a fiver ( Yale do a good one) and you can get them at Home Base in Accrington: You can also for a small fee track your kids mobile, you can find more information on this via the net: Sad world at times, but better to be safe than sorry: Magpie: |
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my daughter has a personal alarm due to the fact that she walks to school and back but sometimes has to make this journey on her own and her being 15 wouldnt allow me to take her lol so i ensure she always has her mobile switched on and she carry the alarm on her wrist
better safe than sorry i say |
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It's not a case of why can't the parent wait with the child. If Busman wasn't working then he would happily take her there and bring her home anyway. I can't do that. I don't drive. But even as an adult I would not want to stand around on that corner in the dark alone. Quote:
All I am saying is that personally I do not think it's a particularly responsible idea to ask a 12 year old girl to stand alone on a dark corner out of sight of home at 7 o'clock at night. |
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Who is running the youth club?
I'd have thought if they were offering lifts to twelve year olds they'd want to pick them up, either from home, or somewhere else that was safe. As someone said earlier, someone ringing to speak to a twelve year old at ten o'clock on a school night, is also someone without much forethought. |
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It's the Hope Centre in Ossy. I've been quite happy to let the girls go there because it's a church run group and they also run the "Edge Camp" thingy that Moorhead pupils go on in the summer. I'm beginning to wonder now if the camps are as responsibly run as I'd assumed they must be. :(
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Well first you have to consider at what point they are 'in their care'. From the moment they are picked up in the minibus or from the minute they leave their parents house?
Personally, I think it's from when they are collected and they remain in their parents care until that point. Although I do agree that the pick up point doesn't sound a good one and discussion with the Hope Centre to find a better one is a good idea. |
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No, she's not in their care when she leaves the house. That's the whole point. I wouldn't expect her to be asked to wait alone in the dark on a corner out of sight of home. It's not a case of being in anyone's care. It's just not a sensible thing to do. I wouldn't even do it.
If you were going to take a child somewhere wouldn't you pick them up from home? I would. |
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Perhaps they just haven't thought how dangerous this is. How many young people do they pick up locally? I'm sure Willow wouldn't mind her home being used as a pickup point for other local children too. |
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At the end of the day any parent would be as worried as hell and as Slinks pointed out a teenage tantrum is better than something a lot worse. WE may let our kids have more freedom than most of us had but with that comes theresponsibility of being absolutely certain that they are safe. Being picked up and dropped off at the house may seem like a crime to them but parents (tut tut willow for calling it a question for mums :rolleyes::p :D ) are better seeing them get in and out of the transport for their own piece of mind. Me I would be worried even if they are at a youth club because unless they are locked in whats to stop them sneaking out?
Stick by your guns Willow. Hope your dughter understands your reasons for it. :) |
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No, I wouldn't be happy with that either.
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my daughter is 12 and there is no way i would let her stand alone in the dark! :eek:god i dont like her going to school on her own, but she has too! we have to realise that we cant wrap em up in cotton wool and that they have to go alone sometime, its the pervs that should be watched 24/7! :(
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In these sad times when youngsters are in danger from even their own age-group, let alone anyone else, I would have thought the Youth Club would make more sensible arrangements. Why, if they can't visit every home, don't they pick up from, perhaps, well-lit bus stops?
Have you thought of going to see the people in charge and making your worries known? Are you the only parent who thinks this is unacceptable? I don't think much of a Youth Club leader who isn't up to speed with the situation on our streets these days and I'd be very tempted to tell them so. |
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Forgot to mention in answer to the question "Whose Church?" - The Hope Centre is a church. As far as I know it's a totally independant thing of its own.
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It's a non-denominational Christian church.
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That's what I meant, I just used different words :D
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I have been on edge camp with Moorhead as one of the adults responsible for the students and I have to say it is extremely well run. The edge team organise all of the activities, which run right from after breakfast until evening. They take great care of all students, who are also supervised by Moorhead staff. As you know Willow they have a great time and we look after them as if they were our own. As far as I am aware there has NEVER been any issue raised by any parents after the children have returned from camp. The Edge team give up their own time and holidays to entertain and look after your children and they have done it very well, ALL CREDIT TO THEM. I havent seen children playing as much as they do on camp. Activities include dodgeball, water games, team games, castle bombing and ALL the children loved nothing more than rolling down the hill (I used to love doing that).
I can't decide what your problem is, if you are so worried about them getting to Youth club then get them a taxi or keep them at home . I am not happy about you slagging off the Edge camp when both of your daughters have enjoyed it so much. It gives children confidence and a sense of independence and a week of playing safely, playing like children used to and should do. PLEASE don't put other parents off, children benefit from all the effort that the Edge team and the school staff put in and I for one am truly grateful for all of the Edge team's efforts |
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I don't deny that my girls have enjoyed Edge Camp and neither of them have brought back any complaints about anything. I also realise that it's in the summer and there are not likely to be any chances of a girl being asked to wait somewhere in the dark on her own.
It is being asked to do that which gave me cause for concern - and the fact that the person who was giving her a lift didn't see anything wrong with asking a child to wait alone in the dark on a street corner down the road and out of sight of home did make me wonder if anyone else would have qualms about letting their 12 year old daughter do this. Which is why I posted this thread - and by the responses on here I can see that I'm not alone. Would you be happy for a 12 year old daughter of yours to stand at the top of Chester Street in the dark waiting for a mini bus alone? I'm puzzled that you "can't decide what my problem is" - it is exactly what I said - surely anyone concerned for the safety of a 12 year old girl wouldn't ask her to stand alone in the dark out of sight of home? She wasn't too fussed about going to the Youth Club and decided off her own bat not to go. I couldn't tell them that last night because she'd gone to bed by the time they phoned to ask. Unfortunately although she did tell someone before she got home tonight the message must not have filtered through because they called at the house for her. (Which they had said they would do "just this once" on the phone to me last night.) Now as I've said if she has ever wanted to go and Busman been here then he has happily taken her. When both girls go to our own church Youth Group and get a lift from one of the adults who runs it then the person calls here at the house for them and drops them back off here at the house. If we have ever taken a child/teenager anywhere (either Busman or my late husband) they would be collected from their own home, taken back to their own home and watched as they went in to make sure they got in safely. That just seems natural to me. I would never dream of asking a child to wait on a dark street corner. As I said earlier I have been to the Hope Centre to one of the reunion meetings and although it was a bit boisterous compared to what I'm used to I had no qualms about letting either or both of the girls go to the Youth Club there. I couldn't see any problems with the car park or the people or the toilets or any of the other things mentioned previously. If I had then I wouldn't have let them go. Yes of course they could get a taxi if they wanted to go and Busman couldn't take them. That has never cropped up though because someone from the Hope Centre said there was no need because they would be collected in this mini bus if required. Mimi had other plans for this evening though as she went to a youth dance in Huddersfield with a bunch of youngsters from our church, in a minibus driven by a parent and delivered right back to the door and watched to see that she got in safely. Emz couldn't go as she is too young for those dances. If you think I'm at fault for being concerned about my child's safety then I'm afraid we'll have to differ on that subject. |
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sorry i disagree i have always been responsable for my children werever they went i would take them to a safe place and i would pick them up this responsability is yours if you want them to have outside intersts, you canot put the safty of your child onto some-one else unless it is agreed with them before hand . youth groups are there to help children not to take full responseability off the parent i am sorry if you dont agree with me but this is my view whitch has been asked for
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Would you be happy for a 12 year old daughter of yours to stand at the top of Chester Street in the dark waiting for a mini bus alone?
It wouldn't happen with my knowledge. I'm puzzled that you "can't decide what my problem is" - it is exactly what I said - surely anyone concerned for the safety of a 12 year old girl wouldn't ask her to stand alone in the dark out of sight of home? If it was me and I wasn't happy about the situation then I would either make other arangements or she would not go. NO PROBLEM However, I am now beginning to wonder if the Edge Camps themselves are as well run as we have been led to believe if the youth club organsation may be as casual as you indicate. Why create a problem where there isn't one. If you are not convinced after you have had all the information from the school and after your girls have enjoyed the camps then speak to someone from, either the Edge team or the school. Its not fair to put unfounded doubts on this website that could discourage other parents from sending their children to camp. If there is a problem, then fair enough, if you haven't got a problem with edge camp then don't create one. Other children could miss out on a fantastic week at camp because of your comments. |
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As far as I am aware the Hope centre provide a free mini-bus service, picking up many children from around the area (saves on the bus fare). It is not a taxi service and it is optional.
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I think you're missing the point gabby. If my husband was at home he would take her. I do not drive. If my husband was not at home I could have got a taxi, I could have gone there with her in the taxi and waited there until they'd finished or got a taxi back home again and then got one back to collect her. If she had wanted to go and Busman couldn't have taken her then that would have been my next thought. My point is that the Youth Club has a mini bus. My daughter was offered a lift in this mini bus. They have both gone by mini bus in the past and both gone by Busman-car in the past. Sometimes they have had other things they preferred to do instead. She was phoned on Thursday evening after she had gone to bed and so I took the call. I was asked if she needed a lift to send her to wait at the top of Chester Street for the mini bus. As a responsible parent I did not find it acceptable for a 12 year old to be asked to stand on a street corner alone in the dark and wasn't prepared to let her do that. The options then could have been either she didn't go or she went by taxi. However when I ponted out to the guy on the phone that I didn't like the idea of her standing on the street corner alone in the dark he then said he would pick her up from home "just this once". I then decided to ask if other parents (apologies to Dads for only addressing this thread to Mums) felt as I do - in other words did anyone here think I was being over protective or just a normal responsible parent who cares about the welfare of her daughter. There is also the other remote possibility that the phone call may not have been from the minibus driver but from some perv who'd overheard a conversation about this bus and lifts etc between my daughters and some of the Hope Centre folks who they often chat to in town. She could have been overheard telling someone her phone number. The person who phoned here could have asked her to wait out of sight of home and then kidnapped her, raped her and dumped her dead body somewhere. Unlikely? Maybe but as far as I'm concerned it's a possibility and another damn good reason not to expect someone involved with young kids to think its perfectly safe for a 12 year old girl to be asked to stand at the top of Chester St alone in the dark. It's not about whether I coud have gone down there and stood with her. It's about her being asked to do that. Can't you understand that? Now suddenly I'm the irresponsible one who "puts the safety of my child onto someone else." :mad: There are times when a child has to do things on their own - going to school being one of them. You can't expect parents to take their children to school once they reach a responsible age - it would be impossible for parents who had a child say at Springhill and one at Moorhead to take both of them in opposite directions at the same time. Nobody can be in two places at once and at one time Emz went to Springhill and Mimi went to Moorhead - Mimi caught the bus to town outside our backdoor and the bus from town up to school, which they both now do. Am I irresponsible for letting them do that alone? Am I irresponsible for letting my 15 year old go to a dance with other 14 -18 year olds under adult supervision and taken there and brought back (door to door) by a friend of ours (and parent of one of the girls' friends) who has a mini bus? I don't drive. I couldn't have taken her. Good grief if I'm supposed to go everywhere with them maybe I'd better ask if I can sign up for the school trips too. Maybe I can go to Edge Camp - not that I'd be any use because my health would make me a liability not an asset. Now I do abdicate responsibility in those cases because as a school governor I know that certain proceedures and checks have to take place before any school trip goes ahead - even a half day to the local park. However, in view of this street corner in the dark business I was beginning to wonder if I should verify that all checks have been done and that kids are never expected to do anything at camp which could put them in danger - but I got my head bitten off for that. Seems I can't win either way. I'm either too irresponsible or not trusting enough depending on who disagrees with me. If I sound annoyed at being accused of shirking my responsibilities as a parent then that's because I am. :mad: |
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Yes that's right and it's a lovely idea for those children who want to go and possibly wouldn't otherwise be able to get there. In fact I wouldn't object to offering a voluntary bit of something for petrol money (but wouldn't expect others to feel obliged just in case they couldn't afford it) It's just the dark street corner thing that bothered me. It was Hope Centre people who approached the girls and invited them to go following Edge Camp. They've also been invited to go to the Sunday church meetings but haven't accepted that because we all go to our own church and they wouldn't want to swap. They go to our own church's activities but I see no reason why they shouldn't spread their horizons and share other things with other people too just as they've invited their friends to go along to some of our church activities. When they were younger they used to go to the Peel Street Baptists activity week thing during the school hols. Em has been to youth clubby type things there too sometimes. |
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what everybody should do is reclaim the streets from the scum instead of driving in our little bubbles we should walk the streets get out and enjoy our town bin your telly and get out i know what ill be giving my daughter when shes old enough to go out on her own a lighter a and a can of hairspray anybody that comes near her she will burn them in their eyes ...
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:D me too. ive just read the thread properly it says question for mums whoops im a dad...:rolleyes:
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Dads are allowed too - I apologised for not including them, I just thought 'Mums' on account of being one myself.
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Just giving the non-locals an idea of what the corner of Chester St looks like and why of all the corners in the whole of Hyndburn this is probably one of the least appropriate in my opinion for anyone to be lurking around on after dark.
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i found this thread rather pathetic actually, you love your girls right? SO WHY THE HELL CAN YOU NOT GET OFF YOUR LAZY BACKSIDE AND WALK THEM TO THE TOP OF THE STREET?? simple solution, you obviously dont care that much.....tut... terrible parent
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I am getting a little confused myself by this thread. Perfectly understand what you originally complained about Willow, but as West Ender stated in one of the earlier posts, could the driver not have stopped a little further down/up where there are lots of terraced houses. He probably only looked at it as an easy place to pull in with a mini-van and hadn't really thought it through. Perhaps would be better coming from your daughter explaining to him that she feels insecure in this spot and would he not mind a safer pick-up point. From the horse's mouth is always better.
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OK let me try to explain this again.
Slowly For anyone who is still missing the point. There is a youth club in Ossy. People who run the youth club invited my daughters to go. They have been once or twice - if my husband is home he has taken them in the car. Once when my husband was not home I went with them by taxi and dropped them off there. My husband picked them up because he was home by then. The organisers said not to bother with a taxi in future as they had a minibus for rhe specific purpose of picking people up who cannot be brought by parents for whatever reason. (Note this was their suggestion, not mine) They have been a few times in the minibus. Last week someone from the youth club phoned to speak to the girls to ask if they needed a lift the following day. When they phoned it was late and the girls had already gone to bed so I spoke to the person. I told him that the eldest one had other plans but as far as I was aware the youngest didn't have other plans and would like to go but my husband couldn't take her as he would be working. The person from the youth club then told me to ask her to wait at the corner of Chester Street and they would pick her up from there. I said "No." and explained that I didn't think it was safe for her to stand in such a place (see photos for the location, quite a lonely spot) so far from home in the dark. Even I, as an adult, would not like to stand down there on that corner alone in the dark. At no point did I ever ask for this minibus. The minibus belongs to the youth club and I have been led to believe the purpose of the minibus is to transport kids to and from the youth club. The person on the phone then said he would pick her up from home 'just this once'. OK, if she wants to go in future and they ask her to meet in a dark lonely place again then my response will be the same and if they don't want to come to the house then I have the option of getting a taxi or maybe she/they will choose not to go. This was when I began to wonder how responsibly run a youth club can be when the person collecting the children see nothng wrong with asking one child to wait alone in the dark at a spot like the top of Chester St. I then thought about the phone call and thought surely I can't be the only responsible parent who cares enough about her daughter not to want her hanging about on lonely street corners in the dark. So I posted this thread to ask what other Mums thought. I wonder what parents of other children in the minibus feel - are their children also collected from similar locations? It's odd no other parent has queried this - and I get the impression from the guy on the phone that they haven't - hence my asking other Mums on here. I do not know who the other children are so I cannot ask their parents. I do find it very strange though that as a caring parent who wouldn't let her child take the risk of being out there alone in the dark I have been criticised and called lazy and uncaring. |
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I'd have thought this Christian Youth Club should be willing to think about the safety of any children they are inviting to join their group.
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OK maybe my mistake was naming the youth club. I should perhaps have avoided that question.
I didn't start the thread in order to 'address' anything. I started the thread to ask if other Mums felt as protective as I do and wouldn't have agreed to their daughter standing there. When people started accusing me of being too lazy to take her to the club myself then I felt the need to clarify a little more and the thread started to go in a slightly different direction. I still don't see why I have been considered to be an irresponsible parent when I actually didn't send her off to stand out there because to me that was never an option. |
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Willow< I know that you are a responsible parent and although I don't always agree with all your views I do know that you love and care about your children.
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Thank you Caspar.
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Just sad, isn't it that a child cannot go to a dark junction without us all worrying ? .. reflection on our society, however, when I was young, had many moments of flashers, men who followed me home .. chased me through the streets,etc., and I always tried to stick to the well-lit roads. Like you said before .. more publicilty. Consider the fact though, that stastics show that a child is in more danger of getting hurt in a motor accident, than walking to a venue and being accosted. |
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Well the way I actually addressed the situation was by saying "No". I just didn't forsee any problems in asking other Mums' opinions.
Sometimes I have a point of view which I think is 'normal' but then other Mums disagree with me - like the one about whether or not kids should be asked to swear in a school play. I like to know what other people's views are. It broadens my outlook. |
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I've just spoken to someone from the Hope Centre who us going to have a word with the Youth Pastor.
The lady I spoke to said that she wouldn't be happy with a child waiting there in the dark either. She was very nice and didn't say anything about me being an irresponsible parent who can't be bothered to get up off her lazy bum to get her own child to the youth club. We had a long chat and I will let you know what the Youth Pastor says if and when he gets back to me. Incidentally I think this answers the question someone raised about who is in charge of the youth club. :) |
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i am teenager that goes to the youth club and the church and have no problem with how it is run, however what i do know is that both ur daughter like going to the youth club and if you dont like the way it is run well frankly that is ur problem.
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No I wouldn't stand with her because I don't think it's a good place for me to stand with her either.
You don't know me and you don't know my own health problems at present that would actually make it very difficult for me to be able to do that anyway, so please don't make wild assumptions and accusations. The representative I spoke to today from your church also didn't think it was a good idea to ask her to stand alone on street corners in the dark. My daughter couldn't tell them anything herself when they phoned up because like most 12 year olds on a schoolnight she had already gone to bed. She spoke to someone the following day. If they can't pick her up from home then fair enough - but they shouldn't offer to pick her up from a dark deserted street corner so far from home. THAT was, and still is, my point. As Garinda had suggested I wouldn't object if they picked several children up from here rather than have other kids waiting around various assorted places outside in the dark too. I just can't get my head round anybody thinking this is an OK thing to do. Perhaps other parents don't object to their children being picked up on street corners - but perhaps they aren't even aware. What do you mean IF I love my daughter? :mad: How dare you imply that I don't. Isn't the fact that I don't let her stand around alone on dark street corners an indication that I take her safety seriously? I am still waiting to hear from the Youth Pastor. I'm also not impressed by my daughter being blamed for Neil's opinion of the Hope Centre when all she did was choose not to go last Friday and do something else instead. I have only met Neil a couple of times and those being AccyWeb connected. If you care to look back, when he posted his opinions of the Hope Centre I actually said that I had been there and although it's not my own personal cup of tea (I'm just not into all that loud sort of stuff) I saw no reason to object to my daughters going there to the youth club if and when they want to. I have never said anything about objecting to the way the youth club is run. My only crime here is to care about the safety of my children.:mad: I'm totally baffled as to how this thread which I started as the query of a caring mother has now turned into an accusation of my not loving me daughter. |
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Willow, I have only just read My daughter's post (DEVILANGEL). Please understand that she is very loyal and passionate about the church and the youth club, with good reason. I know that she didn't mean to offend and upset you, she also knows that your daughters are well loved and cared for. I am sure that when she reads your reply that she will be sorry that she has insinuated that you don't love your daughters. That really is NOT the issue here. Hope everything goes well with the youth pastor.
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I can appreciate her loyalty. I hope the Youth Pastor does get in touch with me but if not then I shall phone on Friday in the hope of speaking to him. I hope to be able to report that he is as concerned for the safety of children as I am, (not just my own girls but any other children this may affect) just as the woman I spoke to today was. |
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willow i am deeply sorry for what i put, i didnt mean that you dont love your daughters because i know that you do. i am deepy sorry again, it is just that people where saying stuff about the youth club and church (not you) saying that they just let anyone in, when they don't. deeply sorry again. hope you forgive me.
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Seriously though, I wouldn't have let them go if I'd ever thought it wasn't a safe place to be. Thank you for your post. It shows an admirable strength character to apologise as you have just done. :) I really do hope I can speak to your Youth Pastor and get this sorted out properly. I don't know if he's received the message or not yet but still not heard from him. I will try to contact him on Friday if I don't heard from him before then. |
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Are there any other youth groups that offer a free minibus service in the area??
Are there any other youth clubs at all that will welcome anybody? I was wondering if there is any other youth groups of this type in or around ozzy? |
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I have already said that I appreciate the minibus.
Yes other youth clubs welcome anyone. I believe the one in Peel Street Accrington welcomes children who are not members of their church. Our own church youth group (in Blackburn) welcomes anyone and they don't have to pay for anything. No, we don't have a free mini bus but if a parent gives another child a lift to and from the church the child is collected at home or at the home of a friend if they are going at the invitation of that friend and brought back safely to the door of the house. My girls go there every week but they were also invited and encouraged to go to the Hope Centre by Hope Centre youth workers and those from the Hope Centre who have been involved with the Edge Camp at school. The invitation came from the church - it wasn't a case of my girls wanting to go somewhere they didn't belong. I never did get a phone call from the Youth Pastor and I haven't followed it up as yet because I've had lots of thngs on my mind, mainly health ones and making appointments with doctors and hospitals. By the time I've made those phone calls I'm worn out and had enough of the phone. The minibus driver did call here at the house last Friday. |
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do they still go to the youth club?
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If they want to go they can go. I have no problem with that.
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ive read most of the threads and cant understand why you started it. is it the church that you dont like because of what ive read it seems a good idea to have the youth club, and if they will come out of ozzy to pick people up and drop them off for free i cant see what would offend you..
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I got the impression she was concerned about her Daughters. http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=25708 :) |
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i can see her point but it seems obvious that if she was concerned about her being on her own that someone would go with her to make sure she was getting on the bus safley....
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I think that we've already been through all this and I'm sure that Willow will not wish to keep repeating herself (apologies if I am wrong Willow). All aspects of this topic have already been discussed. Please read through the thread again and you will see what I mean.
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Thank you Caspar, yes I think we have already been through all this and, if you read my opening post, Thomas you will see why I started this thread. You will see that my question was directed to other mothers to see if any others shared my concerns about not letting a child stand alone in the dark on a deserted street corner. Even the person I spoke to at the Hope Centre agreed with me on that.
If you'd bothered to read all my posts you might even have noticed that I said I wished I hadn't answered the post in which someone asked me which youth club it was. I should have let it remain anonymous but hindsight is a wonderful thing. This wasn't started as a thread of complaint. It was started as a query to see if others shared my view or thought I was being over protective. The initial replies indicated that I was not alone in my vews. If you had bothered to read my posts you would have noticed also that there was no-one available to go down there with her and wait with her on that particular day. If my husband had been at home he would have taken her to the youth club himself in our car, never mind to the street corner rendezvous. I cannot drive so cannot do so, and I also have some health problems at present which make it extremely difficult for me to be able to stand for any length of time, partcularly in the cold and wet. Apart from which I don't even think it's a safe place for an adult to lurk in the dark let alone a child. If you'd read the whole thread you would have noticed that too. I find it odd that you joined this forum purely to attack me in this thread. If you are a representatve of the Hope Centre you're really not doing it any favours. All you are doing is putting my daughter, and maybe others too, off going there again. Is that your intention? As I said, it wasn't their idea to go in the first place. They have been repeatedly invited by others on behalf of the youth club/church. I have also said that I have no objections to them going, but sadly you are beginning to change my mind on that now. The person I spoke to on the phone at the Hope Centre on the other hand did give me a far more favourable impression of the church and the youth club than you are doing. Last Friday the mini bus called here. If the Youth Pastor and the driver object to doing that at any time in the future, and if my husband is working then my daughter(s) simply won't go. It won't worry them. They have plenty of other interests and things they can do on a Friday evening. |
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i didnt join this thread to attack you i was just joining in on the first thing that caught my eye.......
i had not heard of the youth club untill i read your threads and was just trying to spark a debate |
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We've already had the debate Thomas.
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ive just started a new thread please feel free to join in..didnt mean to offend
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if it was such a problem wouldnt the parent walk their child to the pick up point ?
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Would you like me to come round and give you a thump?:D
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Calm down, calm down, EVERYONE JUST CALM DOWN!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!!!!!!:boxing_sm :boxing_sm |
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Can I thump Chav first please Nell? Can I? Can I? Can I? Oh go on please say I can! :D
I could do it on Saturday if you like at the meet. :) |
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ERM, WELL AS IT IS cHAV, THEN OF COURSE, GO FOR IT! AND DO IT AT THE MEET, SO WE CAN ALL WATCH :)
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Shall I bring my whip? ;)
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Oooooh kinky! Have you got one of those balls with studs on it and a chain? Cos that would be better lol
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Think the kids lost that :D - souvenirs from hen party last year, courtesy of Mez and Nette!
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