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WillowTheWhisp 22-11-2006 12:59
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Whether we like it or not a 'life sentence' doesn't mean that the murderer is locked away for life. Personally I think it should but the law disagrees with me. So after a long prison sentence you can't just open the door and say "off you go, be a good boy" or you'll more than likely be opening the door to them again pdq. They need to be rehabilitated so they can adjust to life on the outside without resorting to crime in order to survive. Less crime = fewer victims so I'm in favour of that part.

cashman 22-11-2006 13:01
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 338535)
Whether we like it or not a 'life sentence' doesn't mean that the murderer is locked away for life. Personally I think it should but the law disagrees with me. So after a long prison sentence you can't just open the door and say "off you go, be a good boy" or you'll more than likely be opening the door to them again pdq. They need to be rehabilitated so they can adjust to life on the outside without resorting to crime in order to survive. Less crime = fewer victims so I'm in favour of that part.
yeh fair enough but a life sentance TIME should not depend on WHO you murder!

WillowTheWhisp 22-11-2006 13:07
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No it shouldn't - a policeman is a human being just like anyone else.. There may be a point when it comes to 'why' and if they are likely to ever do it again though.

Tealeaf 22-11-2006 13:10
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Stop glamorising the Train Robbers; Biggs was/is the ultimate slime ball. Having escaped from a British Prison, he spent the best part of 30 years living it up in Brazil, where there was no extradition treaty. He threw every type of insult at this country; nevertheless, when his dosh had run out and he found himself ill and unable to pay for Brazilian health care, he then decided to return to the UK in order to avail himself of the taxpayer funded health sevice.

I hope he rots in hell.

Ianto.W. 22-11-2006 13:41
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A life sentance is usually between 12 to 16 years depending on the 'gravity' of the murder, that is if you addmit the crime and recant, in the latter or rehabilatation period of the sentance you can be sent to semi open, and then open prisons, then bail hostel, after comes a period of 'on licence' which in some cases lasts indefinitely. Either way they are not encouraged to return to live in the area the crime was committed. As for Ronnie Biggs Tealeafe and co are quite correct, let him rot as a lesson to other would be escapers.

WillowTheWhisp 22-11-2006 13:48
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Escapers usually get longer when they are caught don't they?

Ianto.W. 22-11-2006 13:58
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 338560)
Escapers usually get longer when they are caught don't they?
Yes, but the manner of Ronnie Biggs escape was not a walk out of open prison, it was well planned, paid for and ruthlessly executed as would anyone who had got in the way would have been.

jambutty 22-11-2006 14:12
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“Gravity of a murder” Ianto.W.? Dead by another hand is DEAD – full stop and should receive the same punishment no matter who the victim is. The same applies to other crimes.

Biggs harmed no one except the driver who eventually died, allegedly from injuries received during the robbery, and had the audacity to rob a ROYAL mail train. He got 30 years but was that because of the robbery or was that because of the driver’s death? If memory serves me well the driver died AFTER Biggs was sentenced so at the best he would only have been charged with armed robbery and GBH to the driver.

A paedophile who abuses an innocent child and then kills it gets half that.

The punishment does not fit the crime but is harsher or longer if the victim is a prominent member of society. Not that a prison sentence these days is very harsh.

Ianto.W. 22-11-2006 14:24
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jambutty“Gravity of a murder” Ianto.W.? Dead by another hand is DEAD – full stop and should receive the same punishment no matter who the victim is. The same applies to other crimes.
It is the way it is carried out you cannot class the chap that kills his wife 'in drink' the same way as the 'Soham' murders, but I take your point it is still murder. This is just how the system appears to your's truely regards Ianto.W.

Tinkerbelle 22-11-2006 14:26
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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 338581)
“Gravity of a murder” Ianto.W.? Dead by another hand is DEAD – full stop and should receive the same punishment no matter who the victim is. The same applies to other crimes.
OK, jambutty I'll give you an example. A woman who has suffered years of abuse at the hands of seriously depraved spouse, decides one night she can't take it anymore! She takes a knife to bed that night with the intention of killing him when he falls asleep.

You have a dead person on your hands jambutty, but should that lady spend the rest of her life rotting in a jail? Seriously?

chav1 22-11-2006 14:26
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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 338542)
Stop glamorising the Train Robbers; Biggs was/is the ultimate slime ball. Having escaped from a British Prison, he spent the best part of 30 years living it up in Brazil, where there was no extradition treaty. He threw every type of insult at this country; nevertheless, when his dosh had run out and he found himself ill and unable to pay for Brazilian health care, he then decided to return to the UK in order to avail himself of the taxpayer funded health sevice.

I hope he rots in hell.
a simplified version of what i said lol

agree totaly :Banane35:

Tealeaf 22-11-2006 14:42
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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 338585)
a simplified version of what i said lol

agree totaly :Banane35:
Ooops....I missed your post.

My sincere apologies.

And for that, you can buy me a pint at the Christmas do:D

WillowTheWhisp 22-11-2006 15:00
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Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle (Post 338584)
OK, jambutty I'll give you an example. A woman who has suffered years of abuse at the hands of seriously depraved spouse, decides one night she can't take it anymore! She takes a knife to bed that night with the intention of killing him when he falls asleep.

You have a dead person on your hands jambutty, but should that lady spend the rest of her life rotting in a jail? Seriously?
I would expect the court to sympathise with her.

slinky 22-11-2006 17:11
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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 338383)
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although buster was a good film it sure glamourised ronni biggs and almost made him and his gang to be loveable rougues but at the end of teh day they were theiving killers and deserved to go to jail

Oh can I just say!!! I LOVE THAT FILM and the sound track in it......( have to watch that DVD tonight now)







OK back on thread :D

chav1 22-11-2006 19:05
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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 338599)
Ooops....I missed your post.

My sincere apologies.

And for that, you can buy me a pint at the Christmas do:D
thats if the cold weather dosnt kill you off this year , i had you in the elderly cold kill off sweepstake last year and you let me down :(

for your cheeck you can have a half :D


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