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Latest news reports of naming and shaming absent fathers, who refuse to contribute to the upkeep of of their children is some joke, these people are already shameless. Is this the last throw of the dice for this useless agency who have spent god knows how much more money, than it ever collected?

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the whole system is a joke child maintainance should be put back intothe hands of teh courts

with all teh money they have wasted on teh excuse that it took pressure off teh courts system they could have built more courts and empoyed more judges/magistrates that had more wits about them than the clueless scum at the c.s.a

if you failed to make payments you went to prison unless you had a bloody good excuse

in canada if you get behind on payments they take your driving license of you until you pay up

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The whole set up will be even worse now as we will have;

The Old Rules

The New Rules

The New Way

What the hell will it achieve as there will always be a way around it for those that dont want to pay while we who do pay can be used to keep the appearence of them doing there job. What do they expect when it can take them 6 months to process a claim amendment and years to get payments started. Scrap it all and start the system from wages the same way that say fines are paid on a sliding scale based on what you earn so that the minimum payment is always payed and people can do overtime and pay more. At present its too easy to fall foul of the rules and suffer for it with the help of such a fast efficient service. :rolleyes:

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Now come on Chav, the numbers of those going to prison for non-payment have risen nearly 400% this year compared to last year. All 22 of them :mad:

It must be the first time in ages I've actually thought the media got the reporting right today, the reports I've read actually stick to the term 'absent parents' instead of 'absent dads', a miracle that they now seem to realise women actually leave their kids in this day and age !!

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All this wont make a cotton picking difference to me - i get nowt from the other 'absent' parent - apparently break the law in very sence of the word & get away with murder & paying........& better still its been excused by the CSA!!:mad:

The CSA has been such a waste of space & i bet the next lot are too!

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Its the kids that loose out becouse of the beaurocratic bungle its become. :mad: I pay for my daughter and yet people still think of me as an absent parent. I fully participate in my daughters upbringing and hate being labeled along with the "runners" because I pay maintainence.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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true i pay 4 my child but agree the c s a is useless had 2 deal with them in the past!!!

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Yeh i respect the fact that some non resident parents do pay - but thanks to a load of selfish i want my life & no responsiblities layabouts is an insult to those that do! bout time those were forced to face upto their responsibilities or be made not to further the increase of anymore suffering kids!!:mad:

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i do agree all they do is make it worse 4 the good parents and it should be stopped without afecting those who luv and take care of their kids

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I have had that many run ins with this bunch of jobs worths which someone discribed as a bunch of men hating spinsters it drives me mad that some refuse to pay. While they chase these absent parents those who are trying to play by the rules suffer as we wait and end up with arrears and the demand for it even when it wasnt our fault. :mad: :mad:

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As they haven't got the time to do the job properly at the CSA who is going to find time to put the names on a website ?

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very true punished 4 trying 2 look after your kids and they have the impression that everybodys life is black & white

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Silly Q to ask hehehehehe .......... the resident parents who get flu*k all from their absent responsibilty X :D

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well somones got to say it so it may as well be me

there are plenty of women out there that have children and choose not to have the father present and had no intention of the father ever been present because all they wanted was a baby because either her friend had one so she wanted one or they wanted a council house and a baby on the way is or was the best way to get one so they could move out of mummys

it was only after the benefits system made women name the fathers that many men around teh country found out that they were fathers and if it wasnt for the threat of the womans benefits been reduced they would never have found out

yes it takes 2 to tango but it only takes 1 to tell a lie , mainly oh its ok ime on the pill

also if a man is paying to see his child he should have the right to see that child and if teh woman refuses and messes about in the courts the man should get custordy and the woman apply for access or better still be slung in prison for breaking a court order

when the courts actualy DO treat a father equaly perhaps more fathers wont resent paying up

i provoide for and see both my kids but in both cases i have had to fight in court to see them

the amount of money wasted in court fees by women using children as weapons against fathers could easily provide every genuine single mother with a lot more help financialy

so before everyone jumps all over the mens backs take a second to think about the many pathetic women blowing millions of tax payers money each year on solicitors fees , those who stick their legs in the air because they know the rent will be paid and a regular paycheck from teh government

no this is not all single mothers but there is a hell of a lot of them out there , every time i go to court it is full of men trying to see their kids so be assured there are men out there wanting to take resposability but the mothers wont let them :rolleyes:

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thought i would post this seperate

my eldest sons mother has 2 children with her husband who has buggered off with another woman leaving her with 2 of his children

she dosnt know where he lives but does know where he works

heres the classic C.S.A comment

ime sorry you will have to provide us wth his address we cant contact him at work it isnt policy to do that

so if you want to avoid the C.S.A dont tell your ex partner where you live and they cant get hold of you to ask if your the parent or not , no wonder its so easy for men who dont want to pay not to pay

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Chav as much as it takes 2 to tango how come contraception is still the womans responsibility ???????????


Hello condoms!!!:D or the male pill how about sexually protected being both the male & females joint responsibility before theres a surprise 9 mths later!!!!

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I actually agree there mel.........

She says she is on the pill......so hey ho lets not wear a condom!!! Then 9 month out pops baby..............and maybe chlamydia as the pill doesn't stop you getting S.T.D's.

Even though a women says she is on the pill............what's stopping you guys from using condoms??

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i was waiting for that excuse lol

real world calling

the pill was invented so that condoms wernt needed and if a woman says their on the pill then some poor sod will believe them

if a woman wants to get pregnamt she will , even if it means using a turkey baster

i agree the best way is to assume all women are pathalogical liars and rubber up :D

what happened to this male pill they said they invented , men have more fear of unwanted kids and are more likely to use it and not lie about it lol

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FFS............. i think u fell asleep during Sex Ed........wear a condom then even if the woman is lying then u have nowt to fear oh make sure its in good condition but also more importantly they are to stop STD'S!!!!! Altho there may be some pathelogical women out there on the deliberate the pill is also a fickle thing too if they dont check medications or forget to take it on time!!

Thank god my evil x didnt lose my faith in the few good men left on the earth & cloud my judgements - hey! I think your x's have done more than necessary damage in more ways

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they wont give a toss if there name is on website, they will probably brag about it!!

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Not the best choice of words to back up the argument Chav :)

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OMG yes REAL world calling......as I said Chav!! the pill DOES NOT stop you catching a STD. Yes it might stop the un wanted pregnancies......but that is about all it does. The pill is there to be used with long term partners.......Not because you fancy a quicky down the back alley with someone you have only just met and then find out she is pregnant ( BUT SHE SAID SHE WAS ON THE PILL):eek:

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I am with the girls on this... Any man whos says "not my fault" is a complete arse..

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csa costs:-

*Set up in 1993 to ensure parents who do not live with their children pay for their upkeep
*Spends 70p to collect every £1 of child support:eek:
*£3.5bn in payments not collected since 1993
*Reforms begun in 2003 cost £539m but scheme worked no better than predecessor
*Third of non-resident parents pay nothing despite their maintenance being assessed!

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HOW NOT TOO HAVE A BABY!

men should wear comdoms!
women should go on the pill or keep there legs shut!....simple

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bless :)

someone point her to some pictures :)

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LMAO I actually thought the same :D

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you know what i mean!!:rolleyes:

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hey if a girl tells a man shes pregnant after a one night stand and he says ime not interested she could do the propper thing and have an abortion

if abortions are against their morals then maybe not sleeping around should have been on their list of morals as well

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yes i am winding you lot up now

ime off to the pub :-)

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or like chav said the other day....just have a mass debate ;) that should solve a lot of problems :D

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Geeeeeeeeeeees what a man!!!

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have a abortion!! a mans answer to everything! but true about sleeping around!

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Oooh now thats a statement & a half now is it acceptable for a child to be forced into access with a violent psychopathic dad or better still a child abuser - because trust me thats happened & where a parent [notice im not gender biased despite my exp] has had to break an order in order to keep children safe. Theres kids i know forced access despite insumountable evidence that it shouldnt take place but because of all these rights nothing is being done!! Its not about I or ME or even WE its about the KIDS right, kids cost money whether absent parent sees them or not - that shouldnt come into it at all!!

Chav it works that way round more often than not, where violent partners abuse their kids access in order to carry out more violence IVE BEEN THERE!!

Something i have learnt chav is not to tarr everyone or situ's with same brush, dangerous place to be mate, i know yr situ & understand how u feel beleive it or not & im glad u have it sorted, women like that do insult us genuine mums as much as my x insults the very fathers that would do anything for their kids!

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Easy for a bloke to say that cos they dont have to go thro it!!!

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I hate these things, what about the genuine blokes who’s wives or girl friends **** off with some ****** without regard for them or the kids, not ever person who will be named and shamed would be guilty of refusing to pay, some can’t, some are paying for two families. All I am saying is it’s not always the blokes fault, all to often blokes are willing to pay a fair amount only to be sued for more and then have the indignity of being refused access to their children.

This is just another Labour scam to point the finger at others to cover up there own inadequacies in managing there own system’s. Yes there are two many getting away with it, but what will this solve, who’s going to bother? How will it make people pay up and stand by there responsibilities? How much more money is going to be wasted for another nil result.

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Chav - dont pull a bird if thats your attitude, pull yer todge instead as that wont lie to you would it:rolleyes: !! ;) :rofl38:

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yes mel but i did actualy say not all people are the same its just that there are a lot of devious women out there that will go to any lenghts to have a baby

not all fathers are god fathers i agree but it does yank my chain when every time this gets talked about the man is the one at fault and everyone pats each other on teh back in agreement

just like all fathers arnt good fathers there are motherer who arnt good mothers and in both cases they ruin it for each set of genuine people and teh biggest looser at the end of teh day is the kids

like i said in my first post i provide what i can for my children and what i provide in materialistic values gets outweighed buy the love i show them just like any other decent parent would

anyway iem gonna be late for teh pub

daddys got some beer to sup :D

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:rofl38:nice one!!

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i have to agree with chav on that one, not ALL men are like that,the majority yes, but not ALL....if all men gave up as much time as chav does to see there kids and help out then the world would be a better place :)

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Maybe if morals were still valued then it would solve a lot of problems - just a shame one parent has them mother or father as the individual case maybe!

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I think there's probably a lot more than people think. There's a lot of dispicable sperm donors out there but they are probably a very tiny minority compared to those who do care about their children. Some men are even single parents themselves which comes a shock to society sometimes pmsl.

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All I’m gunna say is.
If it was me that ran the risk of getting pregnant then I would make dammed sure that I don’t not unless I was really after something. There are many options that I could take to stop myself from becoming pregnant. I would not trust anyone else to take the precautions because it would be me left holding the baby when thing go wrong or perhaps I should say my parents would. :D

I’d been luck because all the women I have been with in the past had all been sensible and never got preggy. :)

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i have a mate who brings 3 sons up on his own....he's as good as any woman at doing what he does, the kids are polite and well looked after

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You say that like it would have been all her fault..........Do the women you have slept with have the ability to get themselves pregnant.....or would you have had something to do with it??

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if a woman wants to get pregnant she will, no matter what,if she really wants to stop herself getting pregnant no matter what, she will.....i'm living proof of that, i have 1 son and never wanted anymore, no matter who ive been with over the years me not having anymore kids came first, ive always been extra careful both being on the pill and using something and ive never had a bloke say to me 'no i aint using one' its not just one party to be blamed for this, when it comes down to it its both :)

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Yes but if the bloke really doesn't want to get a girl pregnant........he should think about pretecting himself instead of coming out with a sorry ARSED excuse like " OMG can't believe this happened to me,,,,, she said she was on the pill" Bullsh!t..:mad:

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yeah i know what you mean but like i said it does come down to being both people not just the one

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A few people in this thread wouldn't agree with you on that!!

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Here Here - exactly slinks :D

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no one ever agree's with me anyway ;)

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Yeh it surprised me i never met any before till over 3 yrs ago & theres quite an increasing contingent!!:D

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Tho reading this thread i've discovered one big thing lacking in this country, a decent sex education :eek:

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OH you and me both Mel......you and me both. :(

I hope to god I teach my children better values that's all I can say

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Trouble is most people know to practice safe sex, it's when the practising is over the problems kick in :D

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really it should come down to the woman to take responsibilty, after all she is the one who will end up with the baby in the end! if she dont want one either dont sleep with anyone or use contaception, but the pill isnt 100% and it dont protect from STD'S, and a condom aint 100% so it could split! either way the moment you jump into bed to have sex be prepared to become a parent! otherwise dont bother!!:rolleyes:

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Yeah and the irresponsible BOY that didn't wear a condom will be the one that pays through the CSA



So back on thread :)

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U just took the words out of my head then slinky :rofl38:

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Too bloody late then, always good to keep with the practice then:Banane23: ! :D

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exactly! :P

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The answer to guys not wearing condoms;

Stick an elastic band in the right place will work wonders. :D

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Jesus Spuggie....I thank christ you weren't my sex education teacher!!!!

I could have bloody house full of sproggs now :eek:

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Slinks its to be used as torture if they dont. Hell a flick in the right area hurts like hell what amount of pain would a tightley rapped banned produce? :eek:

As for sex education if in doubt keep the ????? out. :D

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I'm sorry :D I misunderstood your post!!

I thought you was refering to this as being some kind of contraception lmao!!!! :D :o

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If they'd done that in the first place, the poor saps wouldn't be being chased for money for their offspring later.;)

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I take back what I said about good media reports. The Daily Telegraph this morning headlines with 'Absent Fathers to be Named and Shamed'

Somebody wake them up and tell them this is 2006 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Not much chance of that they are still of the belief its 1906. :o All this "selective" wording is making it harder to get anything done or the mess sorted out. Why is it the fathers that cop it when some women are just as bad. Or is it only when the PC brigade or womens rights get involved does it become parents???

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Well i for one hope they do name em and shame em, along with the actual total they owe as well.

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Sadley then they would claim its no different than any other debt. Some when faced with owing a small fortune would rather be unemployed than pay it.

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if the csa was fairer and not just set to target fathers who do their bit that would be a good start

parents who pay csa are also funding peoples kids whos parent isnt paying up

like i said before it needs putting back into teh courts where a judge can see a mans income and decide what is fair on an individual case basis and punish those who dont pay

also would like to see parents get stripped of their legal aid if they break a court order for access, lets see how often they like going to court when it isnt free

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True Spuggie. Alecs father has gone one step further to avoid paying any maintenance.
He puts Not Known on any correspondance they send him and return the letters unopened.
Stopped signing on about 4 years ago, is working but we think under a false name so is not even paying any tax or insurance.
Owes £10,000 + in maintenace.
When Alec used to make the effort to visit him, he would fob him off with 50p and tell him he was buisy with his mates having a joint !:eek:

If i could get away with naming and shaming this Church man on here, i would and i have a pretty good feeling some members on here know him.

His brother died 2 weeks ago, was only 45 years old and his death was sudden and unexpected. Alec wanted to go to the funeral in hopes of seeing his dad. I said no, as he was doing exams at school at the time.

Alec gets really frustrated with the fact his dad cant be bothered with him.