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slinky 23-01-2007 13:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 373077)
It's because the schools in areas like ours where you have a lot of Asians, the pc brigade and head teachers owe there jobs to the school governers and the like, and if you notice the asians are pretty active in this department, whilst we gentiles are a bit apathetic and let someone else do it, what we need to do is get more involved at this level ,where school policy is decided, and get our schools back or our kids will be praying 5 times a day at school.
This is my own personal opinion if it offends anyone ,tough luck.
Couldn't have put it better myself Inato.........it's getting beyond a joke now.:mad::mad:


They asked parents to send their child to school on the day with something to wrap around their heads!! well I have a spare T-towel course I do.

Ianto.W. 23-01-2007 13:18
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slinky, They asked parents to send their child to school on the day with something to wrap around their heads!! well I have a spare T-towel course I do.
Before these people who want to run the show now, came here they had nowt of the sort, or schools to send their kids to.

Tealeaf 23-01-2007 13:19
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Hey Slinks...if by any chance you're thinking of going blonde, ask your little nipper to check out the mosque and see if there is any hydrogen peroxide going cheap.

slinky 23-01-2007 13:23
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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 373092)
Hey Slinks...if by any chance you're thinking of going blonde, ask your little nipper to check out the mosque and see if there is any hydrogen peroxide going cheap.
LMAO!!! now why would I want to go blonde??? lol......I have a few moments though :D:D

But I like your way of thinking ;) would save a few quid I suppose.

cashman 23-01-2007 13:28
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well im sorry if it brasses any ****** off but is this voluntry? does the child want to visit the mosque? cos if not i,d be sending a letter back to the school telling em to get stuffed if my child didn,t want to go.

slinky 23-01-2007 13:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 373097)
well im sorry if it brasses any ****** off but is this voluntry? does the child want to visit the mosque? cos if not i,d be sending a letter back to the school telling em to get stuffed if my child didn,t want to go.
He hasn't said he doesn't want to go, you know what kids are like! they don't really have a opinion at that age on things like this. Oh believe me if he didn't want to go I would take him out of school for the afternoon while the others go.

I'm not a religious person myself and I am a NON believer. I didn't christen my children because I think religion is a personal choice, and who am I to choose the religion of my children.I have all the more respect for people that get into later life then decide which religion they want to be, because they can identify with something in that religion, not just because that's what they were baptized when they were babies, and because there parents wanted them to follow that religion. If I had my children christened it would have just been for other people's benifits ( and of course the p!ss up afterwards)

I was Baptised CofE when I was 6 month's old. Who decided for me that I wanted to be baptized CofE?? my parents.

IMO religion is just dictatorship. People dictating what you should and shouldn't be doing. I don't need a OLD BOOK to tell me how I should be living my life. I have never murdered anyone, got in trouble with the police. I was married before I had my children. I work for a living and I'm just a ordinary person living my ordinary life. It's called having good morals and I don't need a book to teach me them.

Billcat 23-01-2007 13:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slinky (Post 373071)
Well as far as I'm aware the school aren't doing very much in the way of it's own religion at the moment. That was my point, the children of this school have visited the mosque approx 3 times in a 12 month period - where as they haven't step foot in their own school church for 2 years.. I might be wrong but something isn't quite right here is it.
If there isn't much going on in your church, that is something you should be taking up with the church leadership.

pipinfort 23-01-2007 14:04
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IMO religion is just dictatorship. People dictating what you should and shouldn't be doing. I don't need a OLD BOOK to tell me how I should be living my life. I have never murdered anyone, got in trouble with the police. I was married before I had my children. I work for a living and I'm just a ordinary person living my ordinary life. It's called having good morals and I don't need a book to teach me them.[/quote]


Ditto for all of the above, thats exactly the opinion i have as regards religion.

Ianto.W. 23-01-2007 14:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Billcat (Post 373112)
If there isn't much going on in your church, that is something you should be taking up with the church leadership.
What's needed at slnk's church is a 'vicar' cast in the mould of Ian Paisley he'd soon get things back on track, yes I aggree he is a little extreme in his views, but he woundn't half put the wind up the local Mulla. He mighn't even convert him:D

WillowTheWhisp 23-01-2007 14:19
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No Steeljack, but when they resort to killing the doctors who carry out the abortions that is beyond fanaticism.







Where'd me quote go?

WillowTheWhisp 23-01-2007 14:28
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Slinky, what do they do when they visit the mosque? Is it just an educational trip or is it for some form of worship?

Despite Springhill Primary being majority muslim I have never come across them taking children to any mosque for purposes of worship - in fact I presume that girls wouldn't be permitted in that instance anyway.

slinky 23-01-2007 14:38
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 373144)
Slinky, what do they do when they visit the mosque? Is it just an educational trip or is it for some form of worship?
They enter the mosque....talk about that religion, talk about what they believe in, they show how they pray.

Despite Springhill Primary being majority muslim I have never come across them taking children to any mosque for purposes of worship - in fact I presume that girls wouldn't be permitted in that instance anyway.
Why do you think girls wouldn't be permitted??
Girls are fine to etner the mosque until they have had their first period, only then are they not permitted to attend mosque.

Church Boy 23-01-2007 14:41
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If you go back to Egypt,The Muslim's hardly tolerate the Christians, Who were there 'long before.
Their Church's are ramshackled tin shed's because they will not allow them to build any.
Special decree is needed from the King,But is never Granted.This religion has no soul.

WillowTheWhisp 23-01-2007 15:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slinky (Post 373151)
Why do you think girls wouldn't be permitted??
Girls are fine to etner the mosque until they have had their first period, only then are they not permitted to attend mosque.

I was going off the signs on the mosques in Tunisia which said only muslim men could attend prayer. I was allowed in as a non-muslim and a woman (with head covered) to have a look round but not at prayer times.


Are you saying that pre-pubescent girls attend prayers/worship in the mosques here? I never knew that. You see, you have learned more than I have, which can't be a bad thing can it?


I went with a Springhill trip to a synagigue where they talked about the religion and what they do there, showed some of their artefacts and sacred scrolls an stuff. The majority of children who went were muslims.

slinky 23-01-2007 15:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 373179)


Are you saying that pre-pubescent girls attend prayers/worship in the mosques here? I never knew that. You see, you have learned more than I have, which can't be a bad thing can it?
Yes Pre-pubescent girls are allowed in. And saying that i have learnt more than you have?? Hmmm I did religious education as part of my GSCE's at school. I am well informed about different cultures and religions. But I'm not religious in anyway shape or form. I don't believe and that is my preference. But that doesn't mean I don't listen and am interested in other religions.

spinner 23-01-2007 22:30
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[quote=Church Boy;373153]If you go back to Egypt,The Muslim's hardly tolerate the Christians, Who were there 'long before.
Their Church's are ramshackled tin shed's because they will not allow them to build any.
Special decree is needed from the King,But is never Granted.This religion has no soul.[/quote
you are an uneducated idiot and bigot!!! youve no idea that muslims and christians lived alongside very happily in the medieval periods in fact the christians used to prefer living under the rule of the caliphate only in recent modern times conflict has been invented by capitalist zionist greed . you are such are a narrow minded twisted bigot and you should expand your world beyond the world of electronic media . bye the way your not fat andy are you? you sound so like him

garinda 23-01-2007 23:12
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[quote=spinner;373495]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 373153)
If you go back to Egypt,The Muslim's hardly tolerate the Christians, Who were there 'long before.
Their Church's are ramshackled tin shed's because they will not allow them to build any.
Special decree is needed from the King,But is never Granted.This religion has no soul.[/quote
you are an uneducated idiot and bigot!!! youve no idea that muslims and christians lived alongside very happily in the medieval periods in fact the christians used to prefer living under the rule of the caliphate only in recent modern times conflict has been invented by capitalist zionist greed . you are such are a narrow minded twisted bigot and you should expand your world beyond the world of electronic media . bye the way your not fat andy are you? you sound so like him
So your call for religious tolerance comes about by being anti-Semitic?

spinner 23-01-2007 23:31
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[quote=garinda;373512]
Quote:
Originally Posted by spinner (Post 373495)

So your call for religious tolerance comes about by being anti-Semitic?
zionism has no links with the semitic race or religion it is related entirely to capitalism.( it all started in eastern europe and has no links with the semitic peoples even though zionist organisations have managed to merge it with the idea of judaism) ive nothing against the jewish people in fact there are many who agree with me. i have abook which explains this and if i find it i will give you the name and auther. im off to bed now garinda night night

garinda 23-01-2007 23:43
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[quote=spinner;373516]
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 373512)
zionism has no links with the semitic race or religion it is related entirely to capitalism.( it all started in eastern europe and has no links with the semitic peoples even though zionist organisations have managed to merge it with the idea of judaism) ive nothing against the jewish people in fact there are many who agree with me. i have abook which explains this and if i find it i will give you the name and auther. im off to bed now garinda night night
FFS, anti-Semitic, and stupid.

Don't use phrases if you don't understand them, or it's origins. The use of the phrase 'Zionist greed' shows your ignorance.

Here is one link about Zionism, and it's relationship to Israel. Don't take my word for it though, there are hundreds of sites defining Zionism.

http://www.mideastweb.org/zionism.htm

Mancie 23-01-2007 23:51
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hello Spinner. you have/read a book that explains everything? most people have read books that "explain" everything...just a few examples.. the bible,the koran,the cabal,jehova,karl marx,tesco club card scheme...all claim to explain everthing

chav1 23-01-2007 23:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 373524)
hello Spinner. you have/read a book that explains everything? most people have read books that "explain" everything...just a few examples.. the bible,the koran,the cabal,jehova,karl marx,tesco club card scheme...all claim to explain everthing
my dad explained everything i would ever need to know to get me through life

in , out , repeat if need be :)

garinda 23-01-2007 23:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 373525)
my dad explained everything i would ever need to know to get me through life

in , out , repeat if need be :)

Rumour has it, that it doesn't need repeating.;)

chav1 23-01-2007 23:57
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 373529)
Rumour has it, that it doesn't need repeating.;)

that damn good ;)

steeljack 24-01-2007 00:15
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anti-semite and anti-Zionist (anti-Isreal) , completly different things , apples and oranges, One of the things I find offensive is the Israeli (zionist) "law of return" whereby any jew anywhere in the world can jump on a plane and claim sanctuary in Isreal and avoid deportation to any home country when wanted for suspected crimes (think there was a case a couple of years ago with a member of the LCC ) .
Since zionist theory and Israeli law holds that any jew anywhere in the world is also entitled to isreali citizenship as a birthright, and is entitled to dual citizenship and passport I wonder about loyalty of the political leaders in the western democracies who happen to be jewish , question.......would the British people allow into office a Prime Minister or Home secretary who had dual citizenship with say ....Pakistan ?

:confused: :confused: ;)

garinda 24-01-2007 00:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 373537)
anti-semite and anti-Zionist (anti-Isreal) , completly different things , apples and oranges, One of the things I find offensive is the Israeli (zionist) "law of return" whereby any jew anywhere in the world can jump on a plane and claim sanctuary in Isreal and avoid deportation to any home country when wanted for suspected crimes (think there was a case a couple of years ago with a member of the LCC ) .
Since zionist theory and Israeli law holds that any jew anywhere in the world is also entitled to isreali citizenship as a birthright, and is entitled to dual citizenship and passport I wonder about loyalty of the political leaders in the western democracies who happen to be jewish , question.......would the British people allow into office a Prime Minister or Home secretary who had dual citizenship with say ....Pakistan ?

:confused: :confused: ;)
I still think the phrase 'zionist greed', in a post exploring the the historical tolerance between Christianity and Islam, quite offensive, and ironic.

Mancie 24-01-2007 00:37
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nice bit of info steeljack.. next time I'm smuggling in tons of ciggies I'll cliam I am Isreali/jewish by birthright and get deported to to Isreal free of charge under (what you cliam is international law..lol) spend a few weeks there and moaser on back to blighty in my own time!.. I don't belive a word.. are you saying that jewish people can roam the planet under no law doing what they feel like legally?

steeljack 24-01-2007 00:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 373542)
nice bit of info steeljack.. next time I'm smuggling in tons of ciggies I'll cliam I am Isreali/jewish by birthright and get deported to to Isreal free of charge under (what you cliam is international law..lol) spend a few weeks there and moaser on back to blighty in my own time!.. I don't belive a word.. are you saying that jewish people can roam the planet under no law doing what they feel like legally?
see attached ....http://www.lectlaw.com/files/int16.htm

Church Boy 24-01-2007 01:10
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[quote=spinner;373495]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 373153)
If you go back to Egypt,The Muslim's hardly tolerate the Christians, Who were there 'long before.
Their Church's are ramshackled tin shed's because they will not allow them to build any.
Special decree is needed from the King,But is never Granted.This religion has no soul.[/quote
you are an uneducated idiot and bigot!!! youve no idea that muslims and christians lived alongside very happily in the medieval periods in fact the christians used to prefer living under the rule of the caliphate only in recent modern times conflict has been invented by capitalist zionist greed . you are such are a narrow minded twisted bigot and you should expand your world beyond the world of electronic media . bye the way your not fat andy are you? you sound so like him
...
The trouble is, you are the type of twisted overeducated bigot the world doesn't need.Just try coming down out of your spin zone for a while,you dunderhead.Your name say's a hell of a lot.

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 08:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slinky (Post 373183)
Yes Pre-pubescent girls are allowed in. And saying that i have learnt more than you have?? Hmmm I did religious education as part of my GSCE's at school. I am well informed about different cultures and religions. But I'm not religious in anyway shape or form. I don't believe and that is my preference. But that doesn't mean I don't listen and am interested in other religions.
I did RE GCE 'O' level :D but it was a totally different curriculum in those days. We did touch briefly on other religions but mostly it seemed to be about different denominations within Christianity and analysing who wrote the different books of the Bible so I'm always willing and eager to learn more about others when I can. Maybe that was because we didn't have many immigrants with other religions living here back in those days. My girls find it quite amusing when I discover something I've never heard of before, or never had chance to find out much about and I go off exploring and investigating.

A group of teachers and governors (me included) were invited a little while back to Higher Antley St mosque to learn a bit more about what goes on there. I found it very interesting and was surprised at how simple the 'procedure' is to become a muslim but didn't think to ask about girls because it never entered my head, especially as the class in there memorising verses from the Quran were all boys. It's never even occurrd to me to ask any muslims who I know because it never even dawned on me. One muslim friend and her daughter have never set foot in a mosque as far s I know, doing prayers at home, while the husband attended mosque. So thanks for that extra information Slinky. I'm now inspired to try to find out more.:)

slinky 24-01-2007 10:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 373582)
So thanks for that extra information Slinky. I'm now inspired to try to find out more.:)
No problem!! ;) I actually found this information out of one of my friends. I find a lot out by asking her things, because I like to know why different religions do things.

She also teaches me all the naughty swear words :D:D but she's a great laugh and we're always having a giggle about it.

Last time I saw her we were talking about all this Jade Goodie stuff in the media. She said she feels quite sorry for Jade because seeing it from a muslim point of view, she couldn't see any racism in it. She agreed with me, yes bullying, but no racist.


sorry went off topic a bit there.

harwood red 24-01-2007 10:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slinky (Post 373643)
She also teaches me all the naughty sweat words :D:D
sorry went off topic a bit there.

Oooo sweat words!!! how does that work :D :rolleyes: ;) sorry couldn't resist :p

slinky 24-01-2007 10:47
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Originally Posted by harwood red (Post 373644)
Oooo sweat words!!! how does that work :D :rolleyes: ;) sorry couldn't resist :p
lmao!! I'm always doing it lol. i type that bloody fast my brain can't keep up with my finger.........(shut it before you start) :rolleyes:

harwood red 24-01-2007 10:49
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Originally Posted by slinky (Post 373649)
lmao!! I'm always doing it lol. i type that bloody fast my brain can't keep up with my finger.........(shut it before you start) :rolleyes:
It's called one touch typing...... ok I'll shut up now :o

spinner 24-01-2007 12:34
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[quote=garinda;373519]
Quote:
Originally Posted by spinner (Post 373516)

FFS, anti-Semitic, and stupid.

Don't use phrases if you don't understand them, or it's origins. The use of the phrase 'Zionist greed' shows your ignorance.

Here is one link about Zionism, and it's relationship to Israel. Don't take my word for it though, there are hundreds of sites defining Zionism.

http://www.mideastweb.org/zionism.htm
ok garinda you are the cleverest person on earth and i cannot possibly contemplate the notion of zionism. my objective was to separate zionism from judaism. i have every respect for jewish people and i have noticed there is a lot of anti muslim stuffthat goes on in accyweb but no one seems too bothered about that which is why accyweb really winds me up .

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 12:36
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Isn't it funny how much you may not realise you don't know because you always thought you did know so never thought to wonder about it? Then when somebody comes along and mentions it you go "Well I never! Fancy that!" :D

Coming back from Blackburn on the bus I started thinking about something else inspired by this thread. I vaguely remember hearing that sikhs no longer carry a dagger as they once used to be obliged to do as part of their religion but have replaced it with something else. So now I want to find out what and when and why.

spinner 24-01-2007 12:39
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[quote=Church Boy;373545]
Quote:
Originally Posted by spinner (Post 373495)
...
The trouble is, you are the type of twisted overeducated bigot the world doesn't need.Just try coming down out of your spin zone for a while,you dunderhead.Your name say's a hell of a lot.
church boy you might think that a little knownledge is too dangerous for my tiny mind, mmm very 1950s but at least im not a racist tormenting at the rise of other religions. you need to get a life and let that hate squeeze out of your pathetic mind and your name says a lot about you !self obsessed

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 12:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spinner (Post 373727)
i have noticed there is a lot of anti muslim stuffthat goes on in accyweb but no one seems too bothered about that which is why accyweb really winds me up .
If there are posts/threads which you find offensive why not report them via the 'exclamation mark in a triangle ' button? Outright racism is not permitted here on Accyweb but moderators don't and can't see everything so rely on member to report.

chav1 24-01-2007 12:41
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a banana , the cant cut you but if you upset a seik then he will put the banana under your feet and you will slip :)

also with it been curved it fits nicely into where the dagger used to be and yellow is this summers colour to be seen in

spinner 24-01-2007 12:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 373733)
If there are posts/threads which you find offensive why not report them via the 'exclamation mark in a triangle ' button? Outright racism is not permitted here on Accyweb but moderators don't and can't see everything so rely on member to report.
willow there are so many of these remarks that are introduced in to every possible topic it seems that it would be too much hassle and what is the point when im the only one objecting. eg when someone was chatting about the jade shilpa row the other day the wor muslim was used negatively. ther are a lot of narrow minded racist people on this forum withe a few execptions eg yourself, billcat garinda . i think mani and i are the only asians onthe forum and i think the posts say a lot about accrington. i feel sorry for those people and i dont enjoy discuusinhg thigs with them which is why i wont be postng after today

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 12:55
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Originally Posted by spinner (Post 373742)
when someone was chatting about the jade shilpa row the other day the wor muslim was used negatively
I must have missed that. Unless it was the one that mani and I both laughed at because it was sooooooo funny!

You and mani are not the only Asians and I think the fact that people don't make an issue of anyone's ethnicity or whatnot has got to be a positive point. I mention my own beliefs as and when relevant and would enjoy discussing theirs with others because I'm always keen to learn and stand corrected when I've got some wrong preconceptions. Like for instance when slinky told me that young girls do attend mosque. I was totally unaware of that before. I thought that it was only the men who went to prayers at the mosque but I'd only based that assumption on my own experience and people I know.

spinner 24-01-2007 13:01
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i dont try to make an issue of my identity its just that ive witnessed a lot of racist banter on this forum and i have felt the need to challenge that so hence the issue of my race and religion arose but im not going to bother anymore some people just are too set in their ways

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 13:04
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:) I get a bit like that when people ask me how many other wives my husband has - despite the fact that polygamy is illegal here.

chav1 24-01-2007 13:06
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i will admit a few are hardcore racist and dont hold back when posting but as a whole i would say most arnt racist

i will take the mick outa anyone so i guess in a way ime multicultural


its the internet ,take everythig with a pinch of salt or even better use it to say what you realy want to just as the people who annoy you do

hey the worst thing that can happen is you loose some karma and it dosnt hurt realy ;)

chav1 24-01-2007 13:07
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 373751)
:) I get a bit like that when people ask me how many other wives my husband has - despite the fact that polygamy is illegal here.
even if legal why woud any sane man want more than 1 wife ?

spinner 24-01-2007 13:08
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i dont mind questions that like that its just the sheer spitefulness that seems to seeth from some of the posters on this forum and they are rarely challenged but if i say anything slightly provocative people are quick to have a go

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 13:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 373753)
even if legal why woud any sane man want more than 1 wife ?
:D That's what Busman says.


They don't do it as a genune question spinner - they do it as a torment. Not on here particularly, but in real life. I've had some very weird accusations about being part of a cult and kidnapping children to name but a couple. :rolleyes: if people are genuinely curious then I'm happy to enlighten them.

***Mr D*** 24-01-2007 13:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 373752)
its the internet ,take everythig with a pinch of salt or even better use it to say what you realy want to just as the people who annoy you do
Exactly my thoughts.

spinner 24-01-2007 13:14
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tru chav i am sending you some good karma .

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 13:16
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:p There you go Chav - biggest wooden spoon on AccyWeb and he gives you karma! :D

spinner 24-01-2007 13:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 373756)
:D That's what Busman says.


They don't do it as a genune question spinner - they do it as a torment. Not on here particularly, but in real life. I've had some very weird accusations about being part of a cult and kidnapping children to name but a couple. :rolleyes: if people are genuinely curious then I'm happy to enlighten them.
well if they are sniping that must mean they are jealous and deep down must wish they were more like you. that can only be a good thing for you

Billcat 24-01-2007 13:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 373525)
my dad explained everything i would ever need to know to get me through life

in , out , repeat if need be :)
Do not worry about it. Rumor has it that, whatever he has in mind, it will all be over in just a moment.:D

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 13:18
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That's a nice thought Spinner. :) I must admit I have to laugh at some of the more ludicrous ideas, like the nekkid dancing round altars in the temples, the sacrificial chickens and the people being walled up for life! :D

Billcat 24-01-2007 13:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spinner (Post 373742)
....withe a few execptions eg yourself, billcat garinda ....
In my case, it may have something to do with the fact that I am American and live in the NY metropolitan area. I get to see and meet a lot of folks from a lot of different places and live with folks who enjoy exploring our multicultural melange. Personally, I feel it enriches all our lives!

We here in the USA have seen a lot a changes, too. First of all, the USA is a nation of immigrants. We have seen huge waves of foreigners immigrate - English, Scotch-Irish, Germans, Irish Catholics, Italians, Jews, Chinese, Latinos, Indians, etc.! We are used to it and we pretty much expect to deal with it, especially if we live near the major immigration points. We also know that assimilation is far from an overnight process, taking a number of decades to happen.

Not that the immigrants have always been treated well, but at least our culture has become accustomed to the arrival of different groups and the fact that the assimilation process takes a couple of generations. The original immigrants themselves often stay among their own folk, for reasons of language and custom, while their children may or may not assimilate. The grandkids, however, are usually pretty thoroughly American.

In the big picture, those immigrants who are most likely to make a go of it are those who embrace the society in which they live - which does not, I would add, mean losing track of their own cultural heritage. These folks may live in their own neighborhoods (at least for a generation or two), but certainly make serious efforts to get everyone to come and patronize their businesses. Immigrant neighborhoods, such as Little Italy, Chinatown, or the old Jewish Lower East Side in New York City, or Little Havana in Miami, often become serious tourist attractions.

When I was in the UK, I seemed to observe much the same thing. Many of the young folks, whose parents or grandparents probably came from Asia, seemed very English in their outlook.

Billcat 24-01-2007 13:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spinner (Post 373749)
i dont try to make an issue of my identity its just that ive witnessed a lot of racist banter on this forum and i have felt the need to challenge that so hence the issue of my race and religion arose but im not going to bother anymore some people just are too set in their ways
Sorry that you are not going to bother. Personally, I feel that allowing racism to go unchallenged is a serious mistake. If I were to sit on the sidelines, I would be tacitly condoning racism. Frankly, if we condone racism, then we are little better than the terrorists who blew up the London underground. The mentality that leads to that sort of action has its roots in a basic disrepect for people who are "different" - in other words, the roots are in racism.

spinner 24-01-2007 14:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Billcat (Post 373793)
Sorry that you are not going to bother. Personally, I feel that allowing racism to go unchallenged is a serious mistake. If I were to sit on the sidelines, I would be tacitly condoning racism. Frankly, if we condone racism, then we are little better than the terrorists who blew up the London underground. The mentality that leads to that sort of action has its roots in a basic disrepect for people who are "different" - in other words, the roots are in racism.
im the only one who seems offended at the racism and when i challeng the racsits i am met with a barage of abuse. those people are not going to change as their hearts are heardened and i have to accept that.

cashman 24-01-2007 14:15
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think you are wrong with the phrase (a lot) spinner, whilst there are a few on here and any forum for that matter.i can say that with surety,as i have taken the trouble to meet many of the people who are regular posters, theres definatly a lot of jokers/wind-up merchants but thats completely differant to what you are thinking, its also what makes the site a bit of fun to me.willows correct theres more than you and mani who are asian members, mani has also met a few people on here so it may help you to PM. the guy for an opinon.anyway whatever you decide its up to you,no skin off my nose either way.

lancsdave 24-01-2007 14:21
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If you think there's a lot of anti-muslim feeling on here you want to try coming from Burnley like me !!!

Billcat 24-01-2007 14:23
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 373751)
:) I get a bit like that when people ask me how many other wives my husband has - despite the fact that polygamy is illegal here.
Is it really any of their business?

I think that a personal question like that might well get a response from me something on the order of "Are you still seeing that your mistress/lover?" Or perhaps, "As he is very wise, far fewer than King Solomon!" This is especially useful if the person is just being deliberately insensitive or annoying. Milt Romney, who is Morman and, it appears, running for President answers "I’ve had only one. Ever wonder how many my Republican opponents have had?" As most of them have been divorced, it's a pretty solid answer.

If the "wives" question is asked by someone who is merely ignorant, then there is nothing personal in it and a bit of information should deal with it. I will admit, however, that it is often hard to tell whether someone is ignorant or is trying to annoy.

Before Eileen died, I had one wife for 27+ years. In my opinion, one wife is enough. On occasion, one is more than enough!:rolleyes:

garinda 24-01-2007 14:24
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spinner (Post 373794)
im the only one who seems offended at the racism and when i challeng the racsits i am met with a barage of abuse. those people are not going to change as their hearts are heardened and i have to accept that.

Don't big yourself up too much. There are a lot of people on here who are opposed to discrimination of all kinds, and that includes racism.

slinky 24-01-2007 14:25
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Spinner!! you keep saying there are a lot of racist in this forum. So if you are sooo p!ssed off about it why don't you name them and quote the posts.

You said you wasn't coming on this forum again after today!! so you're not losing anything.


If being a racist means having a opinion! then yes there are a lot of racist on this forum. But if being racist is verbally abusing someone for having a different religion and ethnic origin - then no I think you're wrong, this forum doesn't have racists.


Like Cashy said! there are a lot of jokers on this forum that will pull anyone's leg about anything given the chance ( Yes you know who you are) :D but there is having a jest and being down right abusive.

Church Boy 24-01-2007 14:34
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[quote=spinner;373732]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 373545)
church boy you might think that a little knownledge is too dangerous for my tiny mind, mmm very 1950s but at least im not a racist tormenting at the rise of other religions. you need to get a life and let that hate squeeze out of your pathetic mind and your name says a lot about you !self obsessed
...
Spinner,I have lived and worked most of my life here with people from all around the world,and their race has never been a problem with me, or mine to them.All of my neighbours are Asian and we get along great,So I don't appreciate being called racist.But when it comes to the issue of building places of worship,
I think it is very unfair that Christians are unable to build a decent Church for themselves and fear for their lives because of what they are in their own country.

chav1 24-01-2007 14:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spinner (Post 373760)
tru chav i am sending you some good karma .
wait until you have 100 posts i dont get nothing until you do

thanx :D

i take I.O.U 's :)

Billcat 24-01-2007 14:35
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spinner (Post 373794)
im the only one who seems offended at the racism and when i challeng the racsits i am met with a barage of abuse. those people are not going to change as their hearts are heardened and i have to accept that.
I agree that it is almost impossible to change the heart of a racist. Can't change what they don't possess!:p

However, I do believe that it is very important for others, whose behavior may be influenced, to understand that racism is not acceptable. That's why I continue to challenge racist dolts. Also, it is a lot of fun to give them all the rope they need, then watch them swinging in the wind!

As far as the barrage of abuse is concerned, it's not as though it really does me any damage. I certainly do not give two cents for the good opinion of racists. Frankly, provoking them into a full display of their evil opinions may do more good to influence the "others" mentioned above than I could ever do on my own. I recall how the violence and vituperation that was directed at the civil rights workers in the 1960 did so much to discredit the racist's point of view, especially when compared with the non-violent tactics used by Dr. King and his followers. So, a bit of abuse it hardly troubling!

chav1 24-01-2007 14:37
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ime anti human

I hate every body :D

even myself :( :( :(

Billcat 24-01-2007 14:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 373820)
wait until you have 100 posts i dont get nothing until you do

thanx :D

i take I.O.U 's :)
I just took care of the karma IOU. Enjoy, chav!:not_ripe:

garinda 24-01-2007 14:41
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billcat (Post 373825)
I just took care of the karma IOU. Enjoy, chav!:not_ripe:
Me too....as I'm sure I owe you some negative stuff, for when you logged into my computer and gave yourself some karma.:D

chav1 24-01-2007 14:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 373828)
Me too....as I'm sure I owe you some negative stuff, for when you logged into my computer and gave yourself some karma.:D
i thought i remembered your password and did it from home ?

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 14:45
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 373819)
I think it is very unfair that Christians are unable to build a decent Church for themselves and fear for their lives because of what they are in their own country.
Good grief what have I missed? :eek:

Billcat 24-01-2007 14:51
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 373819)
I think it is very unfair that Christians are unable to build a decent Church for themselves and fear for their lives because of what they are in their own country.
Not sure what you are trying to say, Church Boy.

Church Boy 24-01-2007 14:52
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 373831)
Good grief what have I missed? :eek:
10 percent of Worshipper's in Saudi Arabia are Christian,and are only just tolerated there.

Billcat 24-01-2007 14:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 373828)
Me too....as I'm sure I owe you some negative stuff, for when you logged into my computer and gave yourself some karma.:D
Who, me? :rolleyes:

Interesting new avatar, rindy!

garinda 24-01-2007 16:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Billcat (Post 373837)
Interesting new avatar, rindy!
It's a painting by one of my tutors at art school, Jamie Reid. It was used for the Sex Pistol's single 'God Save the Queen' in 1977.

Nellie Olsen might be back though, especially if I can find a picture of her with a safety pin through her nose.:D

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 16:56
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 373836)
10 percent of Worshipper's in Saudi Arabia are Christian,and are only just tolerated there.
But you said Christians were not permitted to build churches in their own country ...... are we referring to Saudi nationals who are Christian? I thought you meant Christians here. I've never been to Saudi so I couldn't possibly comment but on the other hand the majority of muslims in this country are not Saudis and i don't really see the connection with a mosque in Clitheroe.

Ianto.W. 24-01-2007 23:12
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Quote:
Church Boy, 10 percent of Worshipper's in Saudi Arabia are Christian,and are only just tolerated there.
Some Moslem countries (on pain of death) do not tollerate the teaching of Christianity at all. The ones that do allow the practice of Christianity do it under sufferance as they need the brains that go with them!

Church Boy 25-01-2007 03:32
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 373899)
But you said Christians were not permitted to build churches in their own country ...... are we referring to Saudi nationals who are Christian? I thought you meant Christians here. I've never been to Saudi so I couldn't possibly comment but on the other hand the majority of muslims in this country are not Saudis and i don't really see the connection with a mosque in Clitheroe.
...
All I was trying to say is that having a Mosque built in Clitheroe isn't a problem,so why can't the same thing happen with Churches as far as Arab communities are concerned.I just find that very wrong.

steeljack 25-01-2007 03:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 374412)
...
All I was trying to say is that having a Mosque built in Clitheroe isn't a problem,so why can't the same thing happen with Churches as far as Arab communities are concerned.I just find that very wrong.
Good question , there is a huge Mosque in Regents Park London (Golden Domes , the whole shebang,) visible landmark when flying into Heathrow.
Maybe someone with links to the Govt. (Greg Pope) can explain why there has been no reprocity with the Saudi Govt. after all if British fighter jets built by un-believers are ok for defending the Shrines at Mecca one or two Churchs shouldn't present much of a threat .
:confused: :confused: :confused:

WillowTheWhisp 25-01-2007 07:36
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 374412)
...
All I was trying to say is that having a Mosque built in Clitheroe isn't a problem,so why can't the same thing happen with Churches as far as Arab communities are concerned.I just find that very wrong.

I agree with the sentiment that having worldwide religious tolerance would be the ideal but we in this country have no control over what goes on in Arab countries so what that has to do with a mosque in Clitheroe is a bit beyond me. Now if you'd discovered that planning permission for a Christian church in this country had been objected to by people of another religion I could have seen the argument.

Church Boy 25-01-2007 14:12
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 374424)
I agree with the sentiment that having worldwide religious tolerance would be the ideal but we in this country have no control over what goes on in Arab countries so what that has to do with a mosque in Clitheroe is a bit beyond me. Now if you'd discovered that planning permission for a Christian church in this country had been objected to by people of another religion I could have seen the argument.
...
You hit the nail on the head(Tolerance)
Something that is the most important asset citizen's have.And of course we don't have control over what Arab countries do,
but I think it just illustrates how lucky we are to be able to live happily together and have freedom of speech,or to do the things we like, as in building a Mosque,going to the pub,putting **** on Tony Blair,or putting up with me.

Ianto.W. 25-01-2007 14:30
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Tollerance, freedom of speech, good questions, firstly tollerance is not in the Arab/Moslem vocabulary, and 'no' freedom of speech will be allowed, if we the indigenous people of this land keep bending to the will of the (Ethnic Minorities).

Billcat 25-01-2007 17:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 374597)
...
...or putting up with me.
Talk about a tough test of tolerance!

WillowTheWhisp 25-01-2007 18:45
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 374609)
Tollerance, freedom of speech, good questions, firstly tollerance is not in the Arab/Moslem vocabulary, and 'no' freedom of speech will be allowed, if we the indigenous people of this land keep bending to the will of the (Ethnic Minorities).

My muslim neighbours are very tolerant.

Ianto.W. 25-01-2007 20:21
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I'm not saying all the ethnic minorities are intollerant willow, it is the new element that are taking liberties and giving the rest a hard time, I am not and never have been racist i'm half Jewish my mother was a Jew, I have no axe to grind with anyone that will at least meet us half way,but chucking the race card about like confetti as soon as you slightly tread on a toe realy bugs me. 'Going off thread', if (Bollybitch) had called (Goodybitch) a washed up Eccles Cake eater, would 45,000 people rung in and cried racist, I very much doubt it.

Church Boy 26-01-2007 08:48
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billcat (Post 374689)
Talk about a tough test of tolerance!
...
See what I mean,Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing,but tolerance is a much harder human capability for some people.Sorry Billcat,You just ain't got it.

Ianto.W. 26-01-2007 11:15
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 374931)
...
See what I mean,Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing,but tolerance is a much harder human capability for some people.Sorry Billcat,You just ain't got it.
And apparently neither have I Church Boy, you have got me baffled as well:confused: .

Church Boy 26-01-2007 12:05
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 374965)
And apparently neither have I Church Boy, you have got me baffled as well:confused: .
...
Ianto.Self confessions should only be made in the confessional,But if you aren't tolerant either,God will forgive you my son.

Ianto.W. 26-01-2007 12:22
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 374978)
...
Ianto.Self confessions should only be made in the confessional,But if you aren't tolerant either,God will forgive you my son.
Confessing is not part of my religion or my make-up, but it's good to have differences of opinion, and even better to be called 'my son' by someone 11 years my junior:D. I am a very tollerant man, as all my ex wives will 'not' testify to:D. Regards 'My Son', Ianto.W.

WillowTheWhisp 26-01-2007 12:29
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 374757)
'Going off thread', if (Bollybitch) had called (Goodybitch) a washed up Eccles Cake eater, would 45,000 people rung in and cried racist, I very much doubt it.
It wouldn't have been racist, any more than Jade was racist. She was showing ignorance and being a bully. Being half Jewish doesn't make you less capable of being racist any more than being part black prevents Jade.

You did however give me food for thought - to use both your points - if planning permission had been granted for a synagogue in Clitheroe do you think it would have warranted this length of a thread on AccyWeb?

Ianto.W. 26-01-2007 12:52
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There were actually two threads on this subject willow, it cost me some 'brownie points' for raising the second one, to answer your very valid questions, With the first one about Jade being part Black and myself being half Jewish, we would not have made the 'song and dance' the Moslems did about such a trivial matter. Second point planning permission for a Synagogue would have had to go through the same procedure, as would a Mormon Temple, or any other religious persuasion. The point being would they have had all the aggro the Moslems had? NO.

Church Boy 26-01-2007 12:53
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 374984)
Confessing is not part of my religion or my make-up, but it's good to have differences of opinion, and even better to be called 'my son' by someone 11 years my junior:D. I am a very tollerant man, as all my ex wives will 'not' testify to:D. Regards 'My Son', Ianto.W.
Sorry, you randy old ******.You Rock.

WillowTheWhisp 26-01-2007 13:11
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 375002)
Second point planning permission for a Synagogue would have had to go through the same procedure, as would a Mormon Temple, or any other religious persuasion. The point being would they have had all the aggro the Moslems had? NO.
I'd just like to clarify so that people don't misunderstand. Mormon Sunday services and Sunday school classes take place in a church/chapel. Our nearest purpose built one is in Blackburn. At other times we have rented rooms in a wide variety of places including AccyTown Hall, Moorhead School, Darwen Vale School and the Masonic Lodge in Ossy. I'm not aware that we've ever had much aggro with any of those.

The Temple is a different thing entirely. We only have 2 in this country. The nearest is in Chorley and we did get quite a bit of opposition to it being built when it was in the planning stages mainly because people assumed things like it would bring down the house prices in the area (actually they went up) or that Chorley would be full of Americans (not really, it's for the Mormons of this country not for an overseas invasion) Once it was built we had some militant objectors from other churches but they were just making themselves look foolish with some of the silly nonsense they published about us. Some of the objections were more like queries and they were valid because people were concerned about a possible blot on the landscape - until they became aware of possible alternative blots if the church didn't buy the land for the temple. I think ours turned out to be the least of all possible blots.:D

The point is that some people object not because they actually know what they're objecting to, but because they think they know, or because they just object to a group of people regardless of whether it will affect their own lives or not.

Billcat 26-01-2007 13:13
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 374931)
...
See what I mean,Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing,but tolerance is a much harder human capability for some people.Sorry Billcat,You just ain't got it.
What ARE you babbling about? Your posts aren't making much sense.

"Speaking of love, one problem that recurs more and more frequently these days in books,and plays,and movies on, is the inability of people to communicate with the people they love. Husbands and wives who can't communicate; children who can't communicate with their parents, and so on. And the characters in these books, and plays, and so on, and in real life, I might add, spend hours bemoaning the fact that they can't communicate. I feel that if a person can't communicate the very least he can do is to shut up." - Tom Lehrer;)

Church Boy 26-01-2007 13:25
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billcat (Post 375008)
What ARE you babbling about? Your posts aren't making much sense.

"Speaking of love, one problem that recurs more and more frequently these days in books,and plays,and movies on, is the inability of people to communicate with the people they love. Husbands and wives who can't communicate; children who can't communicate with their parents, and so on. And the characters in these books, and plays, and so on, and in real life, I might add, spend hours bemoaning the fact that they can't communicate. I feel that if a person can't communicate the very least he can do is to shut up." - Tom Lehrer;)
Yawn,Yawn,Yawn,
God allmighty,You are actually such a bore.Longwinded speeches like that just don't cut it.Go read another book.Enjoy.

Ianto.W. 26-01-2007 15:08
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
.
Quote:
WillowTheWhisp, I think ours turned out to be the least of all possible blots.
I thought you had a place in Accrington willow, but my misses says that was Christian Scientists, she said it was for barmy beggars like me:D, seriously though that Temple at Chorley is a grand building, well worth a look at.

Billcat 26-01-2007 15:31
Re: Happy New Mosque
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Church Boy (Post 375010)
Yawn,Yawn,Yawn,
God allmighty,You are actually such a bore.Longwinded speeches like that just don't cut it.Go read another book.Enjoy.
More Church Boy blather! Talk about not cutting it.

At least we who read books learn the value of clarity in our writing! While we may on occasion be boring, there is nothing so boring as folks who make no sense at all!

Church Boy 27-01-2007 12:06
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Billcat.
I take your criticism with a grain of salt.Also your admitance of Boredom isn't surprising to me.Many people enjoy reading books,And its usually the Reader who can't think for themselves that Quote them.


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