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dont feel any sympathy for him at all

though his defence did bring up an interesting scenario - if the whole crowd was chantin the bombing thing does that differ when a football crowd is chantin some rather harsh songs about the opposition supporters/player - i heard some man u songs sung talkin about killin liverpool fans etc...

so are they inciting murder too?

A British Muslim has been found guilty of soliciting murder during a London rally against cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad. Umran Javed was also convicted of using words likely to stir up racial hatred at the February 2006 protest by the jury at the Old Bailey.
Javed, 27, of Birmingham, had said: "Bomb, bomb Denmark, bomb, bomb USA."
Javed had claimed his chants against the two countries were "just slogans" and that he "regrets" saying them.

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i wondered what the hell you where on about for a minute there mani

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apparently my threat to chop your head off to cure your headache can get me put in jail :eek:

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*shaz rings the police*

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finally we can rid of chav!

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with all teh outstanding warrants you have i highly doubt it :p

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Its about time we got tough on these people who rant against our country but are quite happy to stay here and calm all the benifits under the sun. Dont like it? F*ck off then!

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cheeky get ;)

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That could apply to me.:D

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Nah Rindy, I think when "born and bred" citizens, regardless of race/religion, question their Country it's alot different. It's like when we had thousands of ILLEGAL immigrants marching on Washington demanding their rights. It was so infuriating as they have absolutely no right to demand rights reserve for American citizens.

I think having the freedom to complain about, and complain to, our Governments is the best way to keep our leaders somewhat straight. Try doing that in any moslem nation!

Brian

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what i found funny was the way in court all of a sudden this loud mouth who was blastin about bombin so and so in the court went all like no seriously i dont wish any country to be bombed etc i was caught up in the moment

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i think in answer to your question mani, football fans whilst some are not mother teresa,are not known for bombing the hell out of innocent people, its a whole differant ball game.as i,m sure you know.;)

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So, what do you reckon then, LYY? Send all those uppity, ungrateful Latinos back to where they come from? Only problem is, who's going to do all those lousy jobs that you lot consider yourselves far too grand to sully your delicate WASP fingers with?

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I wish a referee dead every Saturday ...I'd better keep quiet in future eh.
Absurd.

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but surely the letter of the law shud apply to one and all

if u incite to kill then u incite to kill nah?

surely we're not havin one rule for one and one for another

as for football fans not killing come on who we kiddin?

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With Britain's justice system?!
Surely not.

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I can most certainly assure you Wynie, these WASP fingers have been sullied in more ways then your's on your most laborist day. Whether it be shovelling cow/horse/pig/sheep/chicken manure, working out in the bitterest cold and/or hottest summer days on various and sundry activities, handcutting yearly firewood stores, picking stones digging rocks, burying rocks, handdigging fence posts, slaughtoring pigs/cattle/sheep, having to kill and grind up rats and pigs for Government experiments, "pulling" calves (both alive and dead), cleaning out grain silos manure pens, picking horses hooves, branding/dehorning calves, finally picking every kind of vegetable/fruit/berry, etc., etc..

I could go on but my delicate WASP fingers are quite sore plus I believe I may have broken a nail. I'd put a smiley here but I'm much too ****ed off by you incredibly ingnorant generalization!

And YES, I would definitely sent them back! There are enough legal immigrants and other Americans that are willing to do this work. Even many of the legal "Latinos" are offended by the audacity of this new group of immigrants demamding rights that they had been more than willing to work for.

Enjoy your misconscrued/misinformed high horse Wynie!

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Do forgive my ignorance, LYY. I'm basing my observations on visits to the USA, staying with latin folks in latin areas like Astoria in Brooklyn. Obviously, your deep involvement in the latin community of Culpepper has given you a superior insight into all this.

However, it seems to me that latins, legal and otherwise, pick up more than their fair share of low wage jobs that the rest of you aren't prepared to do. That's why your government are prepared to turn a blind eye to their presence in your country. Perhaps they were pushing it a bit by going on a march but, in the main, they seem to just get on with things, without complaining too much. But, of course, as they're not "born and bred" there, they don't really have a right to complain about anything, do they?

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Thanks so much for the lesson. I didn't realize you personally knew so many of the 6.2 million Hispanics in this country. And your intensive travels throughout all the many realms of American society have obviously made you an incredible expert on this culture. Cause every hispanic that you've "met" thinks exactly like all the others right?

Just like all us WASP americans think alot eh?

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I am sure you will find illegals in Culpepper. We have a huge population here in Georgia. It's true, the U.S. government has been ignoring this situation for over 20 years now. Used to be only a problem for the border states. Now it's nationwide. People are fed up with the crime and drain on public resources. We understand why folks want to come here - we'd just prefer that they do so legally and then assimilate once they arrive.

It's not true that hispanics do jobs that Americans refuse. Recent example. Raid on several Swift Meat Packing Plants. A slew of illegals arrested. Next day, hundreds of LEGAL citizens lined up to apply for those jobs. Black, White, Hispanic, Asian. Americans are not work shy, believe me.

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Just because we know LYY to be a white American of British stock, it's a bit rude to portray him as some WASP Patrick Bateman from American Psycho, sending the poor illegal immigrants out pickin' the God damn cotton in the fields.

No wonder people are so quick to stereotype nationalities, and that most people in the world think us Brits ride carriages through swirling fog, whilst wearing Deer Stalker hats or bustles, preferably not at the same time.:D

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Even though it gives me chest pains, and tremors in my left arm :eek: I totally agree with Barb on this one :D both political parties are to blame and niether will accept blame or responsibility or do a sodding thing about it :mad:

note to Barb , Nancy Pelosi was wearing lavender coloured attire on her swearing in as Speaker because its the supposed 'symbolic' color of the suffragette movement , not because she hails from San Francisco :D :cool:

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SJ and Barb, I wouldn't complain too much about your government's attitude on this. According to LYY, only those born and bred in the USA have the right to complain, so that counts you two out.

And, Garry, don't you think that someone with the above attitude deserves a certain amount of criticism?

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No I don't. What LYY said was that illegal immigrants shouldn't have the right to demand 'their rights'.

I would be the first of I guess many people if the illegal immigrants we have in the UK marched on Downing Street to demand the same rights as legal citizens.

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Am I missing something here? Does born and bred not mean born and bred in the USA? :confused:

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...and it was you that mentioned Latinos. Again making presumptions about nationality and sterotypes.

I know two girls working illegally in the US as nannies. One a Brit and the other Irish.

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I think you are reading something into that that wasn't inteded. LYY said that in reply to my tongue in cheek comment, that I also criticise my country, and should perhaps be asked to leave.

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The march he was talking about was mainly, if not exclusively, attended by latin people. And, as I say, do you think it's OK to have the attitude that only those born and bred in a country as allowed to criticize it?

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Oh well, it must be the American sense of humour. Anyway, I must get the footman to bring me my cloak and boots. My carriage awaits.

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The born and bred comment was in answer to my comment.

He was refering I think to my right, not some sweeping comment about the rights of legal citizens worldwide to pass comment on the country in which they live. For one thing it would mean Arnie would have to stand down as Governor of California.

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Absolutely spot on Rindy! That's why I put the born and bred in quotations. In the U.S., they're are few, myself including that are "true" Yankees. Now my wife's family is as they "came over on the Mayflower." Merely a term to signify a long American heritage.

Also very well said Willow! The distinction is soley on whether one is here legal, citizen or not, or has come in illegally!

Brian

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There are an estimated 11,500,000 illegal immigrants in your country. Do you seriously think that if they were all shipped back to wherever they come from, it wouldn't have an effect on your economy?

Dream on.

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That's a swell guestimate Wynie. The stats' I've seen are ~6 million. As for sending everyone of them home, I must apologize. Cause indeed I would not propose sending them ALL back. However, there is a 10 - 20% element that I, and most of the Legal Immigrants, would indeed send back.

Let's just start with the many of these who are constantly involve with criminal activity. Yeah the 2 evil gangs that have come in, but also the many who are repeatedly breaking the laws. Just in this community, every week the police blotters show a large number arrested for drunk driving, speeding, drug possesion, assault, public intoxication, loitering, robberies, operating vehicles without a licence, and/or no registration, insurance, etc.

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OK, I would agree with you on that. In fact, I was recently arguing on here that asylum seekers to the UK who were involved in criminal activitiy should be sent back to their countries of origin, whether they were dangerous or not.

But that means, presumably, that you are happy for 80-90% of illegals to stay. Surely if they are going to stay, their status should be legitimised (which, I believe, is what they were marching about)? That way, at least the government could start collecting taxes off 'em!

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No, I'm not happy with that many staying. There' is another percentage who take advantage of the free health care that our Hospitals must offer anyone who enters (thus raising rates for the rest of us). Then they must all be allowed to go to public schools regardless of their Illegal status (our school system has an estimated 400 of these children attending our schools). This is one reason we have to build another high school and yet another elementary school!

With an ALL welcome policy, and no threat of being exported, the problems mentioned about have become worse and worse each year. My first desire is for the Government to do SOMETHING!

Brian

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Iv'e just woke up look at all the fun iv'e missed (must be the painkillers), just one question, by Latinos does this mean Mexicans (wetbacks)?, I believe Castro did the dirty on the USA by emptying the jails and sending them over, I assume these people would have to be legalised, these professional criminals according to the All Puchino film 'Scarface'about the subject, control the drug trade along with the Columbians who produce the stuff. This must be a major contributing factor to the high crime rate, sooner or later will not there have to be some form of legalisation of the 'Latinos', as they are trapped in a catch 22 situation as were the cuban deportees, and cannot return 'home', forgive my ignorance i'm just curious.

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Wynonie , you answer your own question , "an estimated 11.500.000 illegal immigrants in your country" .....yep thats correct ...ILLEGAL....the folks are breaking the law , no one has a problem with political asylum seekers or war refugees, the simple matter is the illegals in question are economic migrants and most 'born and bred' and naturalized citizens think these folks should get in line with everyone else and wait their turn, not jump the line, we had an amnesty 20 something years ago where illegals of all nationalities were legalized, but now 20 years later the situation is still not solved .
You mention the 'illegals' do work that regular americans wont do , wrong , I admit that lots do lower paid jobs , but you have to remember these were jobs previously done by unskilled americans both black and white , America once had a manufacturing base and there were jobs for everyone, now the manufacturing jobs have gone east through corporate greed (good luck trying to find a "made in America" label on anything)the unskilled americans are out on a limb and inner cities have become war zones, and the black american has suffered the most .

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Well, surely if they were legalised, they'd have to contribute something towards their healthcare and education, via taxes? At the moment, you're getting the worst of both worlds. And, Steeljack, if all 11,500,000 (or whatever the figure is) illegals were deported, are there really enough indigenous workers who will happily become waiters, dishwashers, maids, gardeners and parking lot attendants? I must admit, I don't know the US unemployment figures, so perhaps there are.

Most important of all though, Ianto, if myself and Mrs H ever drop round to your place for chilled merlot and vol au vonts, whatever you do, don't call her a "wetback". The last person who did that in a pub in Manchester a few years ago was treated to a formidable display of Latin temperament! ;)

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It covers everywhere from Mexico to the bottom of South America.

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Your good lady and yourself Wynonie have my profound apologies, it must be the result of watching to many American films, by the way my Merlot is served at room temperature and you are both welcome anytime, again my apologies. regards Ian.

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Willow, thought your story (#41) did a nice job of stating the opinions of the hundreds of thousands of immigrants who have followed all the parameters to become citizens. Again I say, it's the legal immigrants that hate what the illegals are doing most of all. Unfortunately, they are all put in the same barrel and face discrimination because "they're one of those hispanics!"

It's very sad because the majority of recently legalized immigrants tend to be very hard workers, are adapting to their new nation's culture, they are learning the language, and are proud to be americans.

Another fact as I understand it, most of the immigrants either legal or illegal prefer to be called by their nation of ancestry i.e. columbians, salvadorans, cubans, puerto ricans, mexicans, etc. Many refer to all of them as mexicans which has almost become like a dirty word.

Brian

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No problemo, compadre, but you shouldn't be so free and easy with the invites. Don't forget, you posted your address on here a few days ago!

Don't worry only, joking, Ian. ;)

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I'd pay good money to see you do that, rindy!:cool: Maybe the Accy Observer will publish the pics!

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Problem is, we don't actually know how many illegals are here. Some estimates go as high as 20 million! This is what happens when you don't enforce the law. The highest percentage of illegals are from Mexico and the Mexican government has been aiding illegal crossings for years. Most recently providing GPS technology so that people can avoid border patrols, etc., The money these workers send back to their families in Mexico keeps the economy there afloat and staves off any serious political reform in that country.

Illegal immigration was a huge issue in our last election. We are, quite literally, being INVADED. But I still don't think the federal government gets it.

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yep Mexifornia is right .......

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Land of the free indeed.
Since 9/11 every foreigner is an illegal immigrant!
Just shows what a nice bit of presidential spin can do.

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Wake up and smell the fajitas, Barb. :cool:

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A serious question.

When were controls first introduced on immigrants entering the States?





(Not a serious comment - I bet the indeginous Americans wished they had stricter entry requirements, when the white man first set foot on American soil.):D

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I think the first laws controling wholesale immigration laws were enacted about 1924,( prior to that there had been the Chinese exclusion laws in the 1800s and a further one at the turn of the century to bar/reduce Japanese immigration ,) The 1924 law set up national quotas, prior to that emmigrants from Europe were allowed in wholesale , the only restrictions being the examination for health reasons at Ellis Island and other ports of entry , at these stations the sick and feebleminded were returned to their port of embarkation .
A place similar to Ellis Island was set up in San Francisco bay after the repeals of the Asian exclusion laws at Angel Island , (now a National Park which attracts many folks of asian extraction wishing to vist the place where their forefathers first came ashore)
Hispanic/Latino (confusing terms) immigration to the US happened thru several ways , from Spain and Portugal thru Ellis Island , though a big migration of Portugese to California happened thru of all places thru Hawaii , they had migrated there from the Azores following/developing the whaling industry and then moved east to California during the 40s/50s prior to statehood.
Immigration from 'south' of the border used to be limited to the border states and primarily seasonal agricultural workers , but due to sky high birth rates (blame Catholic Church) and economic collapse in Mexico there was a steep decline in living standard and thus more economic refugees heading north .
Immigration from other countries in Latin and South America, at least the folks I know are refugees from civil wars in Guatamala , EL Salvador and Nicaragura .
;)

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Spoken without a hiny of irony. Still, at least they're not bombing you.

Incidentally, perhaps someone would like to tell us how you expect to remove all these illegal immigrants? How will you find them? Where will you hold them? How are you going to cope with the financial and logistical demands of transporting millions and millions of people back to their home countries throughout Latin America? I'd be very interested to know.