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accymel 12-01-2007 12:33

Central Heating without immersion?
 
Just got my letter from Hyndburn Homes to confirm that heating installers will be doing the work commencing wed/thurs & fri [early mornings urrgghh]. Rang to confirm & was reminded about switching off storage heaters 24hrs before they come to take them out, i asked would that apply to the immersion tank to be told no [ok so will have hot water goody & they wont be taking the tank out till bathrooms get done] but... why put a combi boiler in just to run the heating & not the hot water ????

...or am i missing something as i gather with them not requiring the immersion be turned off im presumably still stuck with the expensive hot water tank system on econ 7 - so them putting the heating in wont make diddly poop difference to my eleccy useage anyway other than wont need to run the storage heaters:confused: ...or will they automatically sort the water to be heated up via combi but then will tell me i dont need to run the old hot water tank but then the tank will be full of water anyway & they aint taking it out:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Has someone an idea to releive the confusion...... Accyalec can u ask yer mum for me :D

lancsdave 12-01-2007 12:41

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Originally Posted by accymel (Post 366037)
Just got my letter from Hyndburn Homes to confirm that heating installers will be doing the work commencing wed/thurs & fri [early mornings urrgghh]. Rang to confirm & was reminded about switching off storage heaters 24hrs before they come to take them out, i asked would that apply to the immersion tank to be told no [ok so will have hot water goody & they wont be taking the tank out till bathrooms get done] but... why put a combi boiler in just to run the heating & not the hot water ????

...or am i missing something as i gather with them not requiring the immersion be turned off im presumably still stuck with the expensive hot water tank system on econ 7 - so them putting the heating in wont make diddly poop difference to my eleccy useage anyway other than wont need to run the storage heaters:confused: ...or will they automatically sort the water to be heated up via combi but then will tell me i dont need to run the old hot water tank but then the tank will be full of water anyway & they aint taking it out:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Has someone an idea to releive the confusion...... Accyalec can u ask yer mum for me :D


They will blank the old tanks off or better still remove them altogether. Hot weater and heating come from combi

Ianto.W. 12-01-2007 12:41

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The people who will be installing the new system have this problem with every house they do, they are the best people to advise you, I don't think it's going to be as bad as you think it will, it never is, jump the fences when you arrive at them.

accymel 12-01-2007 12:44

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 366041)
They will blank the old tanks off or better still remove them altogether. Hot weater and heating come from combi

They are not taking out the tank, as they would have told me to switch the immersion off to cool down as likewise with the storage heater have to be cold for them to remove the heaters which they are on wednesday:) but they seemingly dont need my immersion off so the tank will be hot so they are not taking the tank out as what im told anyway, which prompted me as strange even if they need to blank the tank of for H&S reasons the tank would have to be substantially cool which will need 24hrs or a tank drain as these tanks were designed to keep water hot for longer as its econ 7 only ran at night.

lancsdave 12-01-2007 12:46

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Originally Posted by accymel (Post 366044)
They are not taking out the tank, as they would have told me to switch the immersion off to cool down as likewise with the storage heater have to be cold for them to remove the heaters which they are on wednesday:) but they seemingly dont need my immersion off so the tank will be hot so they are not taking the tank out as what im told anyway.

If they are not taking out they will blank it off, pretty sure they will have to drain it first. Doesn't matter if the water is hold or cold for that.

accymel 12-01-2007 12:48

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 366042)
The people who will be installing the new system have this problem with every house they do, they are the best people to advise you, I don't think it's going to be as bad as you think it will, it never is, jump the fences when you arrive at them.

Waited long enough for decent heating & i dont want to be told they can do it as the hot water tank is too hot thus delaying the works, even office staff {7 it it Hyndburn homes after all :p lol] can get it wrong hence im clarifying it here hehehe:D

accymel 12-01-2007 12:51

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 366045)
If they are not taking out they will blank it off, pretty sure they will have to drain it first. Doesn't matter if the water is hold or cold for that.

Ok just checking that its all right before they come so not find fault to delay:)

Had my tank drained last year due to fault & least that was cold, i remember it required a long hose:rolleyes:

panther 12-01-2007 12:56

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which area do u live accymel, cuz I know someone who is with hyndburn homes and they too have a back boiler with immersion heater, and they have not been told of any new boilers been installed! is it just you or everyone?

Ianto.W. 12-01-2007 13:00

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Originally Posted by accymel (Post 366046)
Waited long enough for decent heating & i dont want to be told they can do it as the hot water tank is too hot thus delaying the works, even office staff {7 it it Hyndburn homes after all :p lol] can get it wrong hence im clarifying it here hehehe:D

That's true they always get it wrong, Don't worry it will go to plan it's like shelling peas to them, thank god they are outside contractors and not the council.:D

janet 12-01-2007 13:03

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My sister had central heating installed a few weeks ago they took her hot water tank out. She has instant hot water now. Can't understand why they are not doing yours, she lives top end of church.

accymel 12-01-2007 13:04

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 366053)
which area do u live accymel, cuz I know someone who is with hyndburn homes and they too have a back boiler with immersion heater, and they have not been told of any new boilers been installed! is it just you or everyone?

My little area of houses here dont have any form of central heating aka a back boiler is the boiler for old central heating & instant hot water, which we have none but the old 70's early 80's blow heaters that eat the eleccy on old econ 7 [expensive system] ie on at night off at day settings charged seperately, same with hot water only on a few hrs during night & thats it a tank of hot water per day not on demand. Only those like up here without ANY form of central heating & tanked hot water are prioritised for central heating hence getting the work done :D

People with owd back boilers may in future course get an upgrade boiler that i dont know, they are atm prioritising those housing that need it or havent got.

accymel 12-01-2007 13:07

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Originally Posted by janet (Post 366058)
My sister had central heating installed a few weeks ago they took her hot water tank out. She has instant hot water now. Can't understand why they are not doing yours, she lives top end of church.

Unless they are ...but the tank would have to have cooled for them to safely take them out ??? so is why i cant understand why they tell me that i dont need to turn it off just the storage ones ??? strange:confused: i dunno how they are doing it will probably find out hehehehe, they did a house across the rd the tennant is moving in very soon & we know her, so got to nosey at the finished article & her old hot water tank is still in :eek: lol

lancsdave 12-01-2007 13:08

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Originally Posted by accymel (Post 366062)
Unless they are ...but the tank would have to have cooled for them to safely take them out ??? so is why i cant understand why they tell me that i dont need to turn it off just the storage ones ??? strange:confused: i dunno how they are doing it will probably find out hehehehe, they did a house across the rd the tennant is moving in very soon & we know her, so got to nosey at the finished article & her old hot water tank is still in :eek: lol

Even if they are taking it out it won't stay hot for long once the water is drained.

panther 12-01-2007 13:11

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I have a condenser boiler put in recently and I get instant hot water and my house is nice and cosy and cheap to run too!

Ianto.W. 12-01-2007 13:24

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 366068)
I have a condenser boiler put in recently and I get instant hot water and my house is nice and cosy and cheap to run too!

Is it a combi boiler panther, gives hot water when asked for as opposed to storing in a cylinder tank? if yes how long does it take to run (fill) a bath?

accymel 12-01-2007 13:29

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The amount of hot water im allowed a day is 2 & half bath fills at the very most before it runs cold completely & would have to boost the immersion which would only then give a further quarter bath full thats atm...whoooo to get instant hot water on demand would be luxury:D...as well as a reasonably warm room :D

panther 12-01-2007 13:30

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yes its a combi, and it takes a little longer to run a bath than a immersion heater! that I did notice

panther 12-01-2007 13:31

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but at least you dont run out of hot water ;)

accymel 12-01-2007 13:34

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 366096)
but at least you dont run out of hot water ;)

Ok i'll join the brag core when i finally get upto the last decade at least gee up here we are 3 decades behind:eek: ... i still got asbestos built in wardrobes [yes council know & at some point in future will be removed but atm the inspector says they are safe even despite health media opinion:rolleyes: ]

lancsdave 12-01-2007 13:38

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 366096)
but at least you dont run out of hot water ;)

You do if your gas meter has no credit :D

Ianto.W. 12-01-2007 13:51

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Thank's panther, I'll stick with my Baxi Bermuda back boiler then it reheats the cylinder before I finish bathing, 'and no I don't stop in all day', there have been mixed reports about central heating, if you have not had a backboiler system it's ok to have a combi, but a dissapointment if you have. DEFRA the government environment people are dishing these grants out wholsale via 'Homewise', this is to save energy, I applied and got one but they want £700 off me as a 'top up' I currently have 8 radiators, they only put 5 in so I would be paying £700 for a worse system ,and then I would have to put extra radiators in at my own expense that is if the boiler was big enough , naturally they got told were to shove their grant.

Neil 12-01-2007 13:56

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Mel,

Being copper the tank will cool quite quickly when they have drained it. They could always just run the hot tap until it goes cold if they wanted.
I bet they do take out the old cistern, scrap copper rates are good at t he moment and they will be wanting to weigh it in :rolleyes:

SPUGGIE J 12-01-2007 14:41

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 366116)
Mel,

Being copper the tank will cool quite quickly when they have drained it. They could always just run the hot tap until it goes cold if they wanted.
I bet they do take out the old cistern, scrap copper rates are good at t he moment and they will be wanting to weigh it in :rolleyes:

Well got to make dosh somehow. :o

panther 12-01-2007 18:12

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 366104)
You do if your gas meter has no credit :D

:p I dont have a card meter:p so i have it all the time unless i dont pay me bill:D

flashy 12-01-2007 20:34

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my combi boiler does both heating and hot water

did you know its actually cheaper to leave the hot water on rather than only turning it on when its needed?

West Ender 12-01-2007 20:37

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I replaced my old central heating boiler with a combi/condenser 4 years ago. It was Summer so I was using the immersion heater, not the heating boiler, when it was done. They came at 8 a.m. and I hadn't had the immersion heater on that morning (I have an electric shower so it wasn't needed) but they had the tank drained and removed in no time, which they could have done even if the water was hot. My old boiler was in the kitchen but the new one was put in the airing cupboard, the feeder tank is above it in the loft. I was only without water for half a day and I had hot water that night, from the new boiler. It took longer to install 2 new radiators and replace 2 old ones than to do the boiler and the whole job took only 3 days - and this was British Gas!

Neil 12-01-2007 20:58

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 366329)
did you know its actually cheaper to leave the hot water on rather than only turning it on when its needed?

How can leaving the tap on save money? :confused:

When the kids forget to turn the hot water tap off it makes the bath room all steamy.

Neil 12-01-2007 21:00

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 366331)
the new one was put in the airing cupboard, the feeder tank is above it in the loft.

If you have a combi you won't have a header tank as they are fed straight from the cold water main.

flashy 12-01-2007 21:08

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 366345)
How can leaving the tap on save money? :confused:

When the kids forget to turn the hot water tap off it makes the bath room all steamy.



you knew what i meant ya daft get :rolleyes:

Neil 12-01-2007 21:10

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 366352)
you knew what i meant ya daft get :rolleyes:

I know you did not mean leave the tap on yes. What did you mean? Are you talking about a ombi or proper central heating systems with a hot water cylinder.

flashy 12-01-2007 22:50

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both :)....


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