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garinda 16-01-2007 16:35
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Originally Posted by KIPAX (Post 368806)
Right this is where we are at loggerheads.. I "presumed" and am happy to be proven wrong.. that he was voted in to do what his constituants wanted... to be the voice of the people as they cant all fit in parliment.. so he goes for them and does what he knows they want.... on the one occasion I know of... he did the opposite of what they wanted...

So is he there to do what the poeple want as he says on his website.. or what he wants as garinda says?
Not saying you are wrong, but where did he say that he voted against his constituents wishes, re:Iraq. I want to see it.

skippy 16-01-2007 16:36
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i think in the case of iraq he was trying to impress blair there was a lot of reliable sources at the time which pointed to no weapons of md in iraq. the only explanation for his vote was to keep chums with blair after all no one expected the war to go so wrong

garinda 16-01-2007 16:38
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This thread is proving a bit like life in general.

Some people are 'doers', and others are just happy to sit on their arses and watch....or take photographs.

KIPAX 16-01-2007 16:39
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 368811)
Not saying you are wrong, but where did he say that he voted against his constituents wishes, re:Iraq. I want to see it.
it was in the accy observer.... to the best of my memory he said he knew he was going againt the wishes of the people of hyndburn but he felt he had to do what he thought was right..... thats my bone of contention.. surely he should do what he knows his constituants want...... again i have no idea how he knew... but he said he did... it was his collum written by him (or?) and not a report which I would ahve taken with a pinch of salt..

garinda 16-01-2007 16:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KIPAX (Post 368815)
it was in the accy observer.... to the best of my memory he said he knew he was going againt the wishes of the people of hyndburn but he felt he had to do what he thought was right..... thats my bone of contention.. surely he should do what he knows his constituants want...... again i have no idea how he knew... but he said he did... it was his collum written by him (or?) and not a report which I would ahve taken with a pinch of salt..

Link.......?

andrewb 16-01-2007 16:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KIPAX (Post 368806)
Right this is where we are at loggerheads.. I "presumed" and am happy to be proven wrong.. that he was voted in to do what his constituants wanted... to be the voice of the people as they cant all fit in parliment.. so he goes for them and does what he knows they want.... on the one occasion I know of... he did the opposite of what they wanted...

So is he there to do what the poeple want as he says on his website.. or what he wants as garinda says?
Quote:
I aim to represent all the people of in my constituency regardless of their politics, race or religion
When I read that I think he is saying that he represents people equally regardless of race, whether they voted for him, etc.

I don't read it as saying 'I shall represent what the majority of the constituency want regardless of what I think the consequences of that might be'

If we wanted our MP to vote on everything according to what the majority of the constituancy wanted, and use no judgment, then we might as well have no MP and just have a referendum on everything, which would lead to a crappy country, rule by mob.

KIPAX 16-01-2007 16:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 368813)
This thread is proving a bit like life in general.

Some people are 'doers', and others are just happy to sit on their arses and watch....or take photographs.
so you are standing for election then? or still passing wind... your pathetic attempts to insult instead of answer the question are.....

KIPAX 16-01-2007 16:44
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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 368818)
When I read that I think he is saying that he represents people equally regardless of race, whether they voted for him, etc..
yeagh i was focussing on the represent bit... not who :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 368818)
If we wanted our MP to vote on everything according to what the majority of the constituancy wanted, and use no judgment, then we might as well have no MP and just have a referendum on everything, which would lead to a crappy country, rule by mob.
you mean dont let the people have a say... hmmm i wonder if thats been tried already? :)

garinda 16-01-2007 16:45
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Like I said, if you can show me, rather than just rely on your memory, that Greg Pope said he voted against the wishes of his constituents, then I agree with you, because he had no idea what those wishes were.

WillowTheWhisp 16-01-2007 16:46
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Just looking at the arguements/debates on this thread illustrates why we need to let MPs make their own minds up once elected. Otherwise we'd end up with anarchy.

andrewb 16-01-2007 16:47
Re: greg pope
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by skippy (Post 368812)
i think in the case of iraq he was trying to impress blair there was a lot of reliable sources at the time which pointed to no weapons of md in iraq. the only explanation for his vote was to keep chums with blair after all no one expected the war to go so wrong

I highly doubt this is the case, Blair didn't need any help so its hardly "one for the team Tony", both Labour and Conservatives voted for the war so Greg could have easily voted against it without Blair caring too much. It's in big votes like that where people can best express their opinion on the matter as they wont be losing the vote for the party if theres such an overwhelming majority.

andrewb 16-01-2007 16:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KIPAX (Post 368822)
yeagh i was focussing on the represent bit... not who :)

Well thats where you went wrong, you have to read things in context.. :p

you mean dont let the people have a say... hmmm i wonder if thats been tried already? :)
People have a say, they vote every 5years minimum, and can be much earlier than that.

skippy 16-01-2007 16:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 368828)
I highly doubt this is the case, Blair didn't need any help so its hardly "one for the team Tony", both Labour and Conservatives voted for the war so Greg could have easily voted against it without Blair caring too much. It's in big votes like that where people can best express their opinion on the matter as they wont be losing the vote for the party if theres such an overwhelming majority.
my point was that by voting for action in the gulf its not that blair needed his vote so desperately but im sure by voting on such important issues note was taken and it indicates that the mp likes to play follow the leader. im sure greg eyes a promotion

garinda 16-01-2007 16:55
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There was a debate this afternoon in Parliament at 3.30pm, as to whether juries in Welsh Courts should be Bilingual.

http://www.parliament.uk/what_s_on/what_s_on.cfm


Perhaps Kipax should have start a poll on Accy Web, so Greg could have gauged our thoughts on this matter.

andrewb 16-01-2007 16:56
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Kipax, when you say "What has Greg Pope done for Hyndburn".. I don't particularly know offhand, but what would you expect your MP to do if it was somebody else and not Greg?


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