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Although I didn't see the programme last night, there is a lot of news about the eight year old child who weighs fourteen stone, and might be taken into care.

I just heard on the news that his mother gives him a full cooked breakfast everyday, as well as mountains of junk food, because he doesn't like 'healthy' food.

To me this woman is guilty of child abuse. What if he decided he didn't want to go to school, or stay up all night playing computer games, would she give in to his wishes then as well? She's also missed taking him for numerous appointments to see a NHS nutritionist at the hospital.

This child's weight is the result of bad parenting. I don't know if taking him into care is the answer, but his mother needs a major lesson in good parenting skills.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...enComment=true

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I saw the programme. His mother was easy to spot as the role model

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I watched most of the programme last night - that woman needs a bloody good kick up the backside!

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I didn't watch the programme but saw the kid on the news, I think its child cruelty but his mother doesn't see that, she said that he wont eat healthy food, I'm sure he would if he weren't offered anything else! I dont think he should be taken into care though, maybe the threat of that will be enough to get his mother to sort him out.

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Ah right so when I have my odd days of can't be arsed to do owt I know it's depression :D

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Ms McKeown, 35, told the BBC: "Connor had a mouthful of apple once and he didn't like it.
"He refuses to eat fruit, vegetables and salads - he has processed foods.
"When Connor won't eat anything else, I've got to give him the foods he likes.
"I can't starve him.
"But I'm confident I can get his weight down with a bit of help."
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifhttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/...t_quote_rb.gif His life expectancy is severely prejudiced. http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/...d_quote_rb.gif


Dr Colin Waine, National Obesity Forum



Ms McKeown denied she is neglecting her son, and said he would be "skinny" if she had been.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6396457.stm?ls


Stupid woman. If all he had access to was a fridge full of healthy food he would eventually eat it. It's called the survival instinct.

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And along with back pain, probably the most abused illness going .

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This is just called soft-itus that some parents do because they cant say NO!!! so let the child rule in order for peaceful life.

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as soon as reece started eating solids i introduced fresh fruit and veg,he's eaten it for nearly 11 years and he loves it,the only thing he doesnt like are brussel sprouts, i hardly ever gave him baby jars i prefered to make my own and freeze it, i come across kids now who absolutely hate healthy food, i'm sorry but i'd tell them to either eat it or starve, junk food not only puts weight on children but also make them hyper, i dont buy processed crap, hardly ever buy chips, i dont even have a frying pan, i buy a take away maybe once every couple of months for a treat as my mum did when we where kids...there's just no need for it...i put it down to lazy parenting, the easy way out of having to cook a decent meal, just shove some chips in a pan and hey presto the kids are happy....but in the long term they arent.

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Great theory, if you have time !!

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The introduction of fruit and veggies to a toddlers diet is the essential way of getting them used to the taste......and a treat now and then is OK.

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I don't think it is any harder to cook healthily than it is to cook chips.
And it certainly doesn't have to cost more. Check out the half price fruit and veg at LIDL.

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yeah i know what you mean dave, i used to make them at night when reece was asleep in bed, i'd make enough for that week and freeze them in little containers, he loved them....infact i still do it to an extent now lol ive been known to be up till well gone 12 making shepherds pie and bolognaise so i can freeze them...silly i know, but a lot healthier than shop bought stuff

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Another way that children ingest unhealthy calories is in fizzy drinks.

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ive been on anti depressants since november, depression isnt a nice thing, i used to be sat there as happy as anything one minute then crying for no apparent reason the next, if anyone ever so much as looked at me the wrong way i'd either gob off at them or hit them (ask tinks) now i'm a lot calmer and i find things easier to cope with, people go on these tablets for different reasons, doesnt stop me being a bitch though :D

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I tend to be up until midnight cooking books rather than food :D

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some of us are rubbish at cooking varied full meals:rolleyes: i do me best & its hard with fussy eaters altho my lad will eat fruit - no veg or meat!! He is skinny thing but advice from heath visitor was to give him what he will eat because in his case something is better than nowt & he will starve than eat chicken or veg except raw carrots......i have tested the theory, but even still he isnt fed up on puddings or all his wims, just the stuff he will eat even fruit, still healthy.

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i think children lead (sp maybe) by example, if they are given crap to eat when they are young they won't know how to nourish there own children when they have them...my mum and gran always cooked good healthy meal, as i try to do now, and reece loves nothing more than being in the kitchen with me helping me make things.......its the same as giving children chores to do....if they dont know how to do them how will they get on in life when they grow up?? reece knows how to use the washer and dryer, he tries to keep his room clean, he can make toast and has just started using the kettle (not that i wanted him to just yet) ive never forced him to do these things, just explained to him that he will need to know it when he grows up...i'm not the perfect mum by a long way...but i do try

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I was always told to try them with different things and if they don't like them them let them eat things they do. Trying to get the balance right is difficult especially with kids because there tatse buds change very quickly as they grow up.

Now of course the advice is totally different :confused:

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but at least he is getting some fruit n veg mel, even if it is only raw carrots....some kids dont even get that....good on ya :D

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When I was a child the staple diet was banana butties with an occasional change to Spam butties. A cooked meal was a very rare treat. I think my daughter does get a slightly more balanced diet though because I would throw a hissy fit if I saw a banana or spam butty in my house :D

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lol things where different in those days though dave ;)

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reece is 10 willow, i dont quite explain it that way...it sounds better saying well you have to learn for when you get older

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Now u know what he's like - even at mccyD's!! Its a hard battle,like been said before about being over weight is hard to lose it but in our case its tother way round LOL!! I let him try stuff after that its hit & miss, also the stuff he used to like he now doesn't, but the one big piece of advice is that its not to become a battle ground issue over it at meal times especially otherwise will work against us!! Hopefully he will grow out of it like my brother did.

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Banana butties were treats when i was young heheehe good job lad has gone off them now seemingly LOL

Spam uurrgghhh

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i do same here, madam is on perm washing up duty as she's earning her pocket money for things she wants, like harry potter mag & phone credit etc, same with tother one if he wants stuff, yes its a lesson for life i teach mine as lucky to be here to give them that privelidge for chance i shouldnt not be here not taking my life for granted as to when me cards run out! Also i lead by example as well!:D Me not perfect no such thing :rolleyes: lol.

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Poor sods, I feel sorry for them. It's fine to sit there commenting on what a terrible parent she is but if she didn't have a decent role model, how's she to know? Maybe in her eyes the child is fed, clothed and loved she doesn't see it as neglect.

I didn't see the programme, there definitely isn't an underlying health problem?

They should both be educated on his health and diet but I definitely don't think he should be taken into care.

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see i dont give reece pocket money because i see that as a bribe if i give him money for doing stuff, he knows that he can have things when i see fit, not just because he does stuff, if i have it i will give it him, if i havent got it then he does without

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I beleive bananas were rationed in the war so it's not as far back as you think :p

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well said ........

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yes dave if you say so ;)

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its not a bribe its earning!! in preparation for the wide world, so that they grow up in order to get things in this case of suitable extras is to earn them, so they wont be bums when older & that things arn't always handed to them on a plate or sponge - hopefully!! But meantime they get what they need.

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But missing numerous appointments to see a nutritionist is neglectful.

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If she is clinically depressed, which I can sympathise with, it's been going on for eight years, and perhaps sadly the only answer is her child going into care.

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:eek: oh my how empathetic are you??? She hasnt beaten him & done some sick things like other evils have & got away with for yrs & now condemn someone for a mental illness, shes not that cruel she just gave in - kids tempers are hard to ignore maybe she wasnt strong enough, all she did was induldge her baby a bit too much, with help she should be ok providing she takes it now!

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I was just thinking, when my mum was younger she hated food! Properly detested it, the only thing she would eat was Angel Delight. My Great-Grandma took my mother to the doctors as she'd brought up numerous other children none of which had eating problems. The doctor told my Granny she was fine as long as she was eating something. So did the doctor condone and encourage child abuse? Should my mum have been taken from a very competent Guardian and placed in care?

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Hopefully, but eight years is a long time. How long would it have gone on for, another eight years, until he was thirty stone?

I can't really comment as I didn't see the programme, but I did see her interviewed on the news at lunchtime, and she just came across as a silly cow, who was killing her son with her version of kindness.

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I can appreciate that depression is a terrible thing but she can be bothered to make him the processed rubish, it doesn't take much more effort to peel some veg.

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The other thing that wound me up was why she'd let him get so big, that amount of weight is gradual it doesn't just appear over night!

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I agree. I don't think taking the little boy into care is fair on the boy. As well as being overweight and a victim of bullying, it's like he's being punished by being removed from his Mum's care because of her lack of skills as a parent.

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Its quite surprising that the ignorance here is all about her cooking skills gee we aint all master class!!! But you would all moan if a seriously abused child was missed from social services inspections because they were too concerned with smaller un necessary incidents that tbh theres is a big number of over weight children in the UK in creasing massively so all of them should be looked into also:confused: :eek:. I think education, learning cooking properly at schools is just as important as pe & if processed stuff is necessary then it be improved, think all this is way over the top!

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even if you wired up teh kids jaw a bet this mother would slush up KFC and pizas and given them to it through a straw :rolleyes:

our govenment keeps trying to promote healthy living but it costs a lot more to eat healthy

health is a thing for people who are well off after i was told to change my eating habbits i went out with a list of things from my doctor that were good and bought them for me , my partner and my child and the weekly shopping bill more than doubled

fortunatley i am not realy poor but i would hate to be in teh shoes of a single parent with a couple of kids trying to buy fresh fruit, fresh veg and decent meat and hope to be able to put some electricity and gas in teh meter each week

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She can cook. She chooses to make him a full English fry up every morning, plate fulls of sausage sadwiches to eat between meals whilst he's on his PlayStation, as well as things like curry and chips.

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Absolute bollox! That is every cop-outs excuse I'm afraid chav and it doesn't stand up any more.

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Instead of this form of abuse, she'd took a photograph of him in the bath, he'd have been took into care in a flash.

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I dont think its her cooking skills, just her mentality.

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Yeh i agree with u chav, its bad that good food costs more than junk but then theres more fast food catering in this town increasing by the moment as well, but the gov dont care as long as NI & tax in being paid!! Oh & advertising forgot that LOL!!

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That's rubbish. I know how much you spend on takeaways and fast food.

Eating healty isn't expensive, in many cases it's a lot cheaper if you buy the ingredients fresh and cook a meal from scratch, and it's better for you than all those ready to cook meals.

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It doesn't!!! :eek:

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It doesn't.

We are right, and they are wrong.:D

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Aren't we always ;) ...... it's a curse really :D

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It does at asda!!!:p :D

but not only the point theres lots of meals i cant cook bloody struggled enough with a roast dinner, fruit & frozen veg are cheap not disputing that but other stuff to make from scratch especially when theres only a few in family it becomes a waste:rolleyes:

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I have a challenge for anyone who thinks it is more expensive to eat home cooked food than ready meals.

You are welcome to come shopping in Accrington with me any Tuesday or Saturday.

For the price of two bargain buckets from KFC, you will be able to buy enough nutritious food stuffs to be turned into meals, to keep a family of four fed for a week.

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ok next time your at asda take a look how much a peice of fresh fish costs compared to teh frozen crap in teh freezer treated with dyes and preservitaves :rolleyes:


asda do 2 chickens for £5 which sounds good but the crap they pump them chickens with takes away any healthy option you may have gained

1 pepper at asda is about 68p ( yo can but packs of 3 but they are small and usualy bad)

potatoes are more expensive than chips

anything that says organic is twice the price

anything that says healthy option is eather double teh price or half the amount of food in them

in the chicken section alone at asda you get two seprately packaged and priced ranges of chicken , you get the chepaer stuff in teh white trays and the stuff in the blue trays which is a lot dearer

why do they need two separte types of chicken , teh only reason i can think is that they have a range for teh poorer peopel which is full of chemicals and a range for those with a bit more cash spare that is better quality with slightly less chemicals pumped into the chickens

if you want good healthy meat the only place you stand half a chane of getting it is at a butchers and again it costs more


you may think you are buying healthy food but if it is cheap it is cheap for a reason and that reason is usualy that it is full of crap and chemicals to make it either grow faster if it is vegetables or grow bigger if its an animal like when they pump chickens with antibiotics because it makes them bigger

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Are u cooking for the week rindy??????:p

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It doesn't :p :D

You said yourself, you just picked up more condiments than you usually would because of the more varied choice ...... that's were the money mounts up you greedy girl! :D

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Hello?

There's more than just shopping in ASDA.

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Even if you can't be arsed going round the market, were the best prices are to be found on fresh food stuffs, as Margaret Pilkington said places like Lidl have a great choice of cheap fruit and veg.

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no i found it expensive in general xcept for soap powder :p - even the warbbys bread is dearer at asda & the lack of frozen dept there [in comp to iceland] was dire! no wonder i ended up with tins!!!

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thats takeaway food though and of course it costs more :rolleyes:

the problem is that some people can only afford to fill their shopping trolly with economy burgers , tinned vegetables , piza slices , packs of 50 frozen sausages and all teh other cheap crap in the freezer sections at supermarkets

two bargain buckets = 20 quid

if you can feed a family of 4 with fresh meat , fresh veg , fresh fruit and fresh juice drinks for a week plus helthy breakfast cerals on 20 quid then you are either shoplifiting or teh second coming of jesus sharing out little food amongst the many

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:rofl38: i still cant beleive im agreeing with you lol

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OK chav .... how much is 2 baked potatoes, tuna and sweetcorn going to cost? Just one suggestion of a cheap and healthy meal for a child.

I can go on with more if you want? I just don't want to bore you ;)

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I wouldn't have offered the challenge if it wasn't possible.

There would be no econmoy burgers or pizzas on the weeks menu though, just nutritious meals cooked from ingredients you know to be fresh.

From someone who knows the importance of healty eating, but who lives on takeaways, your attitude is suprising.

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what the hell has that got to do with anything i said i went out and bought healthy shopping and it cost more than when i went out doing a normal shop , what takeaway food i eat is irrelivant

i used to have takeaway every day , i ate normal food for 3 meals and had a curry every night for supper ,well actualy i had chineese occasionaly as well but that was because i could afford it , now i have akash once a week as a treat to my self and have cut out chineese all together

point is though i aint fat and apart from smoking i am in good health and yes my eating habbits could be better but i do buy fresh food even though it is more expensive

i am lucky enough not to have to do all my shopping in teh cheap freezer section but there have been times when i have had to so i stand by my argument that eating healthy is more expensive because i have been at both ends of the line and know first hand what it is like to have to buy the cheap crap because the decent stuff is out of my price range

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You've just said you only shop in one supermarket. The healthy options could have been bought more cheaply if you'd have gone to the market, or shopped around.

You said only the rich can afford to eat healthily, that is completely wrong. Millions of people ate more healthily in the war under rationing than they do now.

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Unfortnately you eat & survive as to your means & i do the best i can:D

Tho i thought this case was more on the over indulgent eating habits that this family in question was guilty of???

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Chav started it :D

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i didnt say i only shopped in one supermarket i gave asda as an example ime sure morrisons and tescos sell just athe same crap as asda

when the war was on - jesus mate times have changed and so has the economy


anyway ime oof too pick my lad up them ime gonna sit down with a curry and a bottle of stella

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Yes gone are the days where u could choose what food to catch for the cave LOL!!!!

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Cost to make Shepherd's pie from scratch for four- £2.59.

Cost from a supermarket of a ready meals for four- £4.00, and that's the cheapest, which will also be full of addatives and other rubbish....and won't be as tasty as mine, and with mine you'll get a more filling portion.

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Thats for 4 theres only 2 1/2 here:rolleyes:

strangely a lot cheaper for more bigger familys than small ones:rolleyes:

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So you've already bought the ingredients for 4 at £2.59, as there's only 2 1/2 of you, you put a crust on the mince and vegetables and have a lovely mince and vegetable pie later in the week ;) :D

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I'll marry you Tinks and we'll live like Kings, and Chav can take AccyMel up the back aisle of the supermarket, to the frozen sausage section.:D

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Despite this woman claiming to be depressed, I notice that she is not depressed enough to avoid doing countless TV interviews. She is neglecting her child's health. I don't think that removal of the child will help them but I do think that a temporary spell at a 'fat camp' for want of a better phrase, would do the kid good. He could be re-educated about food, exercised and dieted. His mother also needs some education about food and nutrition. Maybe this could be a good project for one of the TV companies to take up.

Evidence suggests that living off junk food with no fresh fruit, veg, fish, exercise etc causes listlessness, tiredness, loss of motivation and depression-like symptoms. I'm afraid that cries of 'he won't eat that,' don't wash with me.. He is a child and she is the adult. If he were hungry enough he would eat it......... I know that I did, when my dad served me up the same bowl of salted porridge for 5 meals on the trot....Yuk!!! I'd have killed for an apple...:D

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Plus, if you were making your own Shepherd's Pie from scratch, you could throw in a whole load of vegetables, and the fussy little darlings wouldn't even know, whilst getting a portion of their daily fruit and veg intake.

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LMFAO!! Actually I think I better stop replying to this thread now :eek: before I appear to be marriage material

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I like people whom are perfect experts at everything:rolleyes:

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Are you sure about that. :p

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That's not very nice :rolleyes:

We were only pointing out how it can be done.

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I'm not an expert, I just disagree that home cooked food is more expensive than ready meals, or packs of 'economy' sasusages.

Even for busy parents, I can whip up a pasta dish quicker than it takes to microwave a frozen meal.

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Chav's gone off line.:eek:

If he thinks he's coming round here for a coffee, and one of my delicious, homemade macaroons, which work out at a cost of two pence each, he has another thing coming.:D

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Wow, just finished the thread. What varied and sundry thoughts and comments!:D

I agree with those who believe the Mum needs quite a bit of counsel on the proper care and feeding of a young human being. If things don't change, the boy needs will need extra assistance! (IMO)

Tinks/Rindy, congrats on the impending nuptiuals!:p Please have the ceremony during the May meet so I can be there!!!!:Banane57: :Banane57: :Banane21: :Banane57:

Brian

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I was force fed organic foods from a very young age. These were either home grown or bought nearby. I swore I'd never ever garden when I had my own place. Also would not eat summer squash, soybean casserole, beets, greens (even without the worms), zucchini, turnips, parsnips, rutabage, artichokes, etc.

In addition to the veges I did like, I grow and consume all the above except the soybean casserole. Kinda weird but my kids don't like gardening nor summer squash, beets . . . .!:cool:

Brian

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What a dim northener. Can't even see that her son has a problem. No wonder working class people get a bad name. When I was at school, education on nutrition was very good.

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Thank you, though she hasn't accepted yet...though we will be needing lots of bridesmaids.:D

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Always prefered a big butternut squash myself Brian :D

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Not quite sure about the relevance of her being a dim northerner. :confused:

Can only assume you must be from the land of make believe south of Manchester ? :rolleyes:

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I didn't realize how much more expensive fruits and vegetables are in England. I'm usually against most Government intervention. However, being as England takes care of your healthcare, seems ironic that they don't help their citizens be more healthy by making the good foods less expensive eh?

Brian

Rind - if that's what ya bridesmaids 'il be looking like, I hope the bar is open way before the wedding!