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Lampman 30-04-2007 11:46

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Well it had to happen,in this PC all is ok society we now live in we have inherited Sharia law.Muslim elders in Dewsbury,West Yorks.have set up their own Islamic court to impose Sharia law in civil disputes within their communities(that phrase again)Issues such as divorce and child custody will now be decided by a panel of 4 Muslim clerics,instead of British law as for the rest of the UK.
How long before the idea spreads a little closer to home?Is this more evidence of a wish for Muslims to be seen as a seperate entity from the rest of our melting pot population?
Remember Sharia law by its very nature is misogynistic,women are treated as second class citizens.
Once again in Tony's world we are taking no action to prevent this,whilst in countries such as Canada all citizens are protected from the establishment of a two tier justice system.
Thank God that Tony is on the way out!

Neil 30-04-2007 12:20

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Originally Posted by Lampman (Post 417751)
Thank God that Tony is on the way out!

Yes but whose God would that be? :confused:

Lampman 30-04-2007 12:27

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Good question I will ask the local community committee.:D

lancsdave 30-04-2007 12:29

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I'll bet the MP for Dewsbury is fully supportive of the situation.

Lampman 30-04-2007 12:36

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Shahid Malik is the MP it would be interesting to hear his views.

davo69 30-04-2007 12:36

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country gets less british every day tony will soon be replaced with a muslim

Lampman 30-04-2007 12:39

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Well the MP seems to be a Burnley lad so alls ok then.
http://www.saviletown.com/ShahidMalikMP.htm

US Angel 30-04-2007 12:48

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must have been that the British courts were giving the wives to much freedom with the divorce. Do the wives still walk steps behind the guy??

lancsdave 30-04-2007 12:51

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Originally Posted by Lampman (Post 417774)
Well the MP seems to be a Burnley lad so alls ok then.
http://www.saviletown.com/ShahidMalikMP.htm

Don't think so :rolleyes:

http://archive.thisislancashire.co.u.../3/549351.html

spinner 30-04-2007 13:32

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Originally Posted by Lampman (Post 417751)
Well it had to happen,in this PC all is ok society we now live in we have inherited Sharia law.Muslim elders in Dewsbury,West Yorks.have set up their own Islamic court to impose Sharia law in civil disputes within their communities(that phrase again)Issues such as divorce and child custody will now be decided by a panel of 4 Muslim clerics,instead of British law as for the rest of the UK.
How long before the idea spreads a little closer to home?Is this more evidence of a wish for Muslims to be seen as a seperate entity from the rest of our melting pot population?
Remember Sharia law by its very nature is misogynistic,women are treated as second class citizens.
Once again in Tony's world we are taking no action to prevent this,whilst in countries such as Canada all citizens are protected from the establishment of a two tier justice system.
Thank God that Tony is on the way out!


using the law is usually seen as the last resort when dealing with family matters such as child custody and divorce- if it can be sorted out reasonabley without the use of courts than this system is encouraged. if people want to use suitabley qualified clerics(not community elders) to offer them a way forward than why not. its up to the individual family and im sure that the cases involving chid custody would be conducted within the framework of British Law.
what concerns meis the way British organisations encourage the so called community elders who are often get involved in for their self interest and are despised for their meddling ways. our community doesnt call for their involvement. we dont want the likes of siddique kazi trying to 'represent 'our community for his own gains. its organisations such as the police who cosy up to these people and it dosent occur to them that they might be biased.

spinner 30-04-2007 13:44

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also my friend lives in church area and a mr safdar has stood for election. in his leaflets he claims to be a community leader. who the hell is following him? i sopke toBritcliffe advising him that this man was not our community leader and he slammed the phone down a few days ago. this is despite the fact that in the paper he was encouraging people to discuss election issues wit him. sabdar also claims hes been working with the police for 16 years and it is well known in the community that he hosts buffets for the police elders. know wonder he and his clan think they are above the law and thats he and his family have been percieved as getting favourable treatment from the law. its not the asian community that calls for this sort of system but the organisations themselves.

WillowTheWhisp 30-04-2007 13:55

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I'm afraid all this reference to 'the community' and 'our community' seems very racist and divisive to me. There was a day when 'the community' meant everyone in a particular area whether they were black white brown or polka dot and whatever their culture or creed. Now I find that I am no longer classed as a community member because I'm not Asian.

cashman 30-04-2007 13:59

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beats the hell out of me,complete nonsense! when my late missus n i lived abroad we lived by their laws- it was their country, it wasn,t a problem to us. so why the hell should it be to anyone living here?

spinner 30-04-2007 14:05

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 417786)
I'm afraid all this reference to 'the community' and 'our community' seems very racist and divisive to me. There was a day when 'the community' meant everyone in a particular area whether they were black white brown or polka dot and whatever their culture or creed. Now I find that I am no longer classed as a community member because I'm not Asian.


my post wasnt intended to be divisive or racist but i have used specically the term our community for this reason. the likes of kazi and sabdar claim to represent the asian community in general. organisations such as the police deal with us differently. on that basis it is divisive and the asian community wishes to be treated just like any other community. the asian community is divided from other communities because of self interested busy bodies who claim to be leaders. are asian people puppy dogs who are expected to follow these people. safdar has used the term specifically in his election leaflet.

davo69 30-04-2007 14:08

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when in rome do what the romens do .when in england we will bow to you.

spinner 30-04-2007 14:11

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 417790)
beats the hell out of me,complete nonsense! when my late missus n i lived abroad we lived by their laws- it was their country, it wasn,t a problem to us. so why the hell should it be to anyone living here?


generally speaking its organisations who are creating this separation. the asian polulation doesnt campaighn for separate laws. howeveer in private matters such as divorce though i dont hav problems with how people come to arrangements.this practise is encouraged within the system. that is a private matter and people can be guided by whatever religion they belive in- its nobody elses biusness. not yours or mine

WillowTheWhisp 30-04-2007 14:15

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Originally Posted by spinner (Post 417793)
my post wasnt intended to be divisive or racist but i have used specically the term our community for this reason. the likes of kazi and sabdar claim to represent the asian community in general. organisations such as the police deal with us differently. on that basis it is divisive and the asian community wishes to be treated just like any other community. the asian community is divided from other communities because of self interested busy bodies who claim to be leaders. are asian people puppy dogs who are expected to follow these people. safdar has used the term specifically in his election leaflet.

But why should 'the Asian community' be a separate entity from 'the Springhill community' or 'the Hyndburn community' ? Whenever the words 'The Community' are used nowadays it never means the whole community, it just means the Asians within that larger community and I find that sadly to be divisive. We all live in Hyndburn so why this 'them and us' distinction? Both candidates for Central Ward (where I live) are Asian, but do they not represent me as I am not Asian? Do they only represent 'the community'? A friend of mine (white woman) moved into a house on Higher Antley Street and has been told by a neighbour that she should not have moved into an Asian area! I was under the impression that we didn't have exclusive ghettos in Accy. :(

WillowTheWhisp 30-04-2007 14:19

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Originally Posted by spinner (Post 417797)
generally speaking its organisations who are creating this separation. the asian polulation doesnt campaighn for separate laws. howeveer in private matters such as divorce though i dont hav problems with how people come to arrangements.this practise is encouraged within the system. that is a private matter and people can be guided by whatever religion they belive in- its nobody elses biusness. not yours or mine


By the laws of this land divorce isn't a private matter, it's a legal matter. I can get married in my church but it must be done legally with a legal representative (registrar) present as that is the part that makes the marriage valid. To get divorced it is nothing to do with the church, I cannot get divorced in church - it's the courts which deal with divorces. I believe this applies to every other religion in this country apparently apart from Islam.

spinner 30-04-2007 14:20

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 417798)
But why should 'the Asian community' be a separate entity from 'the Springhill community' or 'the Hyndburn community' ? Whenever the words 'The Community' are used nowadays it never means the whole community, it just means the Asians within that largr community and I find that sadly to be divisive. We all live in Hyndburn so why this 'them and us' distinction? Both candidates for Central Ward (where I live) are Asian, but do they not repreent me as I am not Asian? Do they only represent 'the community'? A friend of mine (white woman) moved into a house on Higher Antley Street and has been told by a neighbour that she should not have moved into an Asian area! I was under the impression that we didn't have exclusive ghettos in Accy. :(


you are right willow constant references to the community are creating division and sadly the bigots from the BNP and the so called leaders will be the only ones to benefit

cashman 30-04-2007 14:25

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Originally Posted by spinner (Post 417800)
you are right willow constant references to the community are creating division and sadly the bigots from the BNP and the so called leaders will be the only ones to benefit

dont always agree with you spinner, but you are spot on with that comment, and thats as bad as it gets to me.

WillowTheWhisp 30-04-2007 14:27

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Absolutely and The BNP are lapping it up because they are using it to stir up ill feeling.

As far as I'm concerned the Central Ward representative should be my representative and I will be voting for the one who I believe hopefully will be representing everyone and not just the choice few. I don't think I need to tell you who I won't be voting for. His election leaflet didn't entice me anyway.

spinner 30-04-2007 14:42

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 417806)
Absolutely and The BNP are lapping it up because they are using it to stir up ill feeling.

As far as I'm concerned the Central Ward representative should be my representative and I will be voting for the one who I believe hopefully will be representing everyone and not just the choice few. I don't think I need to tell you who I won't be voting for. His election leaflet didn't entice me anyway.

good on ya girl

lesleyd 30-04-2007 15:35

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Originally Posted by davo69 (Post 417795)
when in rome do what the romens do .when in england we will bow to you.

That is just what i was thinking!!!

Lampman 30-04-2007 21:58

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Do we think that any powers permitted to this self appointed committee will stop at divorce and child custody issues?
Once appointed these clerics will be the only route allowed for many Muslims,surely this cannot be right in this day and age.
As discussed earlier we are the soft touch of Europe on everything from doling out benefits to turning a blind eye lest we offend minorities.For many Asian women this will be a retrograde step in their freedom from oppression of every kind.
Time will tell.

garinda 30-04-2007 23:35

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Non-Muslims are excluded from the secretive court which is registered as a charity to receive British tax benefits.
Although the court has no official legal standing, scales of justice adorn a sign outside a former pub building which has been converted by the Islamic Institute of Great Britain.


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/5795


So these 'courts' have charitable status, and therefore we are all paying for them?

Outrageous.

garinda 30-04-2007 23:42

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Outside the mosque a bonfire of thousands of video and audio cassettes and CDs, which included "Home Alone 4" and "Free Willy," was set alight as onlookers chanted "our way is jihad, jihad".
"This is porno material and blue films. This is destroying our society," said Maulana Ghazi, Aziz's brother.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../07/wpak07.xml


Better get rid of your Macaulay Culkin films now...before it's too late.:D

cashman 30-04-2007 23:58

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Bullsh1t its because ireland beat em at cricket.:D

mani 01-05-2007 01:09

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:(

what did free willy ever do to them?!

and how can u possibly hate macauly culkin?!

on second thoughts yeah macauly maybe but willy?! noooooooooooooooo!!!

mani 01-05-2007 01:10

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oh hold on

macauly wasnt in part 4 right? he was in drug rehab i think at the time...

Neil 01-05-2007 05:41

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Will it ever get to the stage that people will be burning down/blowing up these Sharia courts and/or other Muslim buildings?
If so how long off those terrifying events are we?

Wynonie Harris 01-05-2007 07:22

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So why are they allowed to get away with it? Because this government lets them. Perhaps Greg Pope or any of the other apologists for Blair and his bunch could explain why?

WillowTheWhisp 01-05-2007 08:02

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Have you seen how the regular courts in Germany have been treating some cases such as the muslim woman whose husband beat her and she was told that it's part of their culture and she should have known to expect it!?!

Lampman 01-05-2007 12:14

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All the more need for our own Government to clamp down now,before it spreads to our own country.
But of course there will be some EEC law support the rights of your local mullah/cleric/agitator.


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