The young, and Mental health problems.
 

There is a front page story today about youngsters suffering mental health problems.....apparently there has been a huge rise in young people with what are considered to be Mental health issues as compared to 70 years ago.
Well, 70 years ago the young people didn't have time to notice if they were depressed/anorexic/bulimic or what, because they were too busy going out to work,or fighting a war - now that did cause some mental health problems....and physical health ones too.
Are the mental health problems because these youngsters have used mind altering drugs.....have too little useful activity in their lives, or is it because they are too introspective and spend too much time navel gazing?

What are your opinions? I would value sensible answers to this thread please.

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I think your post is nothing short of disgusting and a downright insult to all young children with mental health problems not to mention there poor families.. To suggest they must be taking drugs or the problems are of there own doing is to be quite frank cruel to anyone reading who has gone through anything like that.

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Are you seriously expecting a sane opinion?

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I think its down to it being more recognised now in this era instead of being ignored perhaps. Or its just on a rise due to change of what is defined as a mental illness?

None of the reasons you suggest though.

Also there seem to be alot of very depressed/anxious/unstable students these days due to the exam pressures. On the student forums there are quite a few people having break downs due to working too hard, rather than not at all :(

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Kipax you are entitled to your opinion.......but it is a topic that should be discussed. If mental health problems are so prevalent, why do you think that is? Is it because diagnosis has got better?...or is it something environmental...or is it as I said because the young people concerned have too little to occupy themselves with......it is well accepted in treatment for depression that physical activity is better than many drugs in treating mild depression.
No slur was intended on people who do have genuine mental health problems...but sometimes Doctors will label someone with a mental health problem that stick and follows them for the rest of their lives. I have personal experience of something like that and the person concerned was not depressed at all, it was a side effect of prescriptiom medication.

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Depression caused by prescription medication is still depression (been there) and just as debilitating.

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I can agree with this aswell. With the NHS in shambles alot of doctors prescribe medication but cant give the counsilling to go alongside it so people are on medication for longer and its less effective.

However young people have plenty to do. What age group is this specificaly?
There are new laws to keep everyone under 18 in vocational or academic training/learning until they are 18, that way everyone has some sort of chance at qualifications. You can still go into full time work under 18 but your employer must give you training that leads to an official qualification or else they get fined.

It was due to go on trial when I read about that about a month ago.

I think definitions of mental illness has changed, especially in 70yrs. I think thats probably the main cause of the statistical change.

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I am well aware of that. The very fact that I posted my opinion should have given you a clue that I know I am allowed an opinion. Do you really need to tell me?


I agree. I ahve no problems discussing such a topic. I do have a problem with the disgustingly outlandish claims you make as to what the problem is.

Now you post what you should have posted in the first place instead of insulting anyone with mental health problems or families of such..

I have a form of epilepsy.. I ahve had it all my life which includes as a child.... thats a mental health problem... I dont do drugs or stare at my navel for hours..

Maybe if you had posted your last post first instead of the drivel you did post then you would have had a better response :(

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Margaret.....I know that depression is debilitating, however it comes about......what I am saying is that perhaps there is an element of misdiagnosis. The person I am talking about had never had a realistic assessment, but was just sent away with a script for drugs which made the situation even worse.

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I think KIPAX may be offended as all your suggestions were caused by the person themselves in the first post and made it sound like you assumed all young people with mental illness is due to either drugs or lack of something to do.

Deaths of loved ones still happens these days since the war. Maybe people are effected by death worse now at a younger as as we're more independant? Alot of younger people are classed as dependant on parents til their early twenties due to edcational differences and such. Also the property ladder keeps younger people at home dependant on their parents.

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Whats to think? thats exactly what she did. she may change her attitude now but the original ignorant ill-informed post is still there.

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Well obviously I know why your insulted but I didn't want to assume... You know how it is.

I still put it down to definition changes over the times but I remember now that I'm blocked by most people aren't I so anything I say is deemed as irrelevant.

Never mind, maybe someone will kindly point it out to her for me :)

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Kipax being from a medical background I know about epilepsy...and that was not the category of mental health problem that I was talking about.
and I was not giving you permission to have an opinion......or for that matter questioning your right to have one.
And I was not making outlandish claims either......I think I was asking a question.
The assertion I made about 70 years ago was certainly true...young people did not have time to notice if they were depressed etc.
If you feel that my thread is so out of order.....then there is a facility to report it.

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And I am not changing my attitude.....I am asking a question.

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This is the point I mean lol! Epilepsy may not have been recognised as a mental illness before but it is now. Its the same for things that once where and not arent, having a baby outside of marriage for example, didnt that used to be something you'd be sectioned for in the 50's?

Times change and the definitions change. Thats why it looks like its increasing. I think its a reasonable observation.

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Epilepsy has been a recognised medical complaint for many many years....and it is a neurological complaint rather than a mental health problem.
It is certainly not like many other mental health problems which do get cured.

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What on earth is navel gazing?

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Curable mental illnesses as I've already said aren't getting enough funding in the NHS to be treated effectively.
Those that arent curable are still considered mental illness and what is defined as either curable or not has certainly changed in some aspects over 70 years.

Some may be due to drug use but havent drugs been used for just as many years?
I don't think daydreaming and having nothing to do lead to as many mental illnesses as one might think. It certainly can lead to depression on different levels but there are many other aspects, including the compete opposite; being too busy, that lead to illnesses of that sort too.

I think its another problem of the NHS if its being diagnosed more frequently and also isnt even being treated the way it should.
Perhaps if they stopped diagnosing such minor depression and the likes as an illness that needs medication then those that do need treatment can also have the counselling on NHS along with the medication.
Its a matter of changing the boundaries maybe?

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staring at your belly button!

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How are we supposed to know what your talking about when your making sucj outlandish blame all statements

I dont feel the thread is out of order.. I already said its worth talking about.. or have you chosen to ignore that? I said I found your original comments to be disgusting and insulting to all who ahve been through this.. and for the record I ahve made a complaint thank you. All on my own without your help.

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I was depressed for a few months after my friend died in december. I dont find it insulting that margaret assumes we're all druggies or lazy, I just feel its a shame that people cant put forward a nice reason as well as accusational ones for the illness.

If someone gets lung cancer do we assume they smoked 40 a day? I thought we were a bit more aware that things out of our control could control illnesses, both mental and physical.

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She did later when provoked into doing.. hence my comment that the later post should have been first... oh and me having a form of epilepsy was an aside and not the reason I was so taken aback by her post :)

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I guess when you were young 40yrs ago things were pretty conservative in the country as all thoughts were on things that are different to today. I mean 70 yrs ago it was all mass production rather than being so cultural and having a demand for new things all the time. If you grew up in a time that was slow paced I guess you could get left behind with new ideas and definitions of things.

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havent I just recently (days) seen somehting on the news where new laws are coming in where mental health patients can be locked away even if they haven't done anything wrong? are we going back in time?

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I dont think i've heard that yet myself, I havent had time to look at a newspaper or a telly :D damn revision.

It probably wont happen though do the the human rights act, plus it would mean the government would have to start expanding mental health hospitals and I dont think they have the money to do it.

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Willow,that is a very sensible answer to my question.
and as for accusational reasons...they were all hypotheses put forward for the huge rise in mental illness put forward by the group who did the research.
Blazey, I did not assume that you or any of your peers were Druggies
And Kipax, I have ignored nothing of your post.......even the fact that you are accomplished enough to complain.

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Was this not if a mental patient was convicted of committing an offence, caused by refusal to take their medication, they would be considered for incarceration or return to a secure unit.:confused:

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it was also to do with acts of terrorism.......it would have been a means of incarcerating suspects, but doctors have stated that it is their intention not to 'section' people who fall into this category....so patients with mental illness should not be affected.

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Perhaps this is a further solution to the paedophile issue then? That would rightfully make sense. Or those who are suicidal, dont they already get sectioned?

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Looking at ships ... it's the mispeling that confuses you.

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Ah lol I didnt realise it was meant to mean looking at ships. I honestly thought she meant looking at our own belly buttons. I remember the girls at school who had their belly buttons pierced used to poke at it alot :)

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Quite possibly a suggested solution to the paedophile problem but I'm not sure we can justify locking people up when they have committed no crime.

I'm not sure what the situation is with people who are suicidal. I knew a young girl who voluntarily admitted herself to the old BRI ward and boy was that a depressing place.

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Not these days... I know 2 women recently who have massively overdosed, neither of whom were sectioned. The NHS no longer has enough beds in mental health units to section every suicide attempt. A sad state of the NHS at the moment, if money is needed for Med/Surg it is taken from Mental Health and Maternity Services.

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Well often suicides are more of a cry for help rather than actually wanting to die arent they. Once you realise the value of your life after something like that I guess you learn to appreciate it even if it is a bit ****.

And lettie I never thought about the lack of money in regards to sectioning suicidal people, its a shame really.

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A young woman jumped off the bus station in Blackpool last night. I accept what lettie say's in regard to the state of the NHS.

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i work in mental health and it id difficult to get mental health problems diagnosed. some people have to wait months and somtimes years to get a proper diagnosis. it is time this changed then people didnt have to suffer to long;)

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Naval is to do with the navy.....Navel is to do with the belly button or more properly called the umbilicus.

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Did you intentionally mean the belly button then?

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Really! Ah, so naval surgeon now makes more sense. I didn't think doctors had become THAT specialized:D

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Lol :D doctor: 'your naval area is badly infected, we shall have to call in the naval surgeon to remove it'

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I do not believe that there has been major increase in the number of mental health problems, just a reognition that the problems are those of health, and not of moral, personal, or character flaws. Naming something, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome for example, does not create the condition, it recoginses that it is a medical problem. It has always been there, sometimes as shell shock, or battle fatigue, but for lack of a clinical definition, has often been largely ignored. Now that the stigma which was often attached to mental illness has largely faded, perhaps more people are, so to speak, coming out of the closet. Just a couple of thoughts here, I am no expert.