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entwisi 21-06-2007 09:54

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Or not as teh case may be

BBC NEWS | England | Lancashire | Nine held in dangerous dog raids

panther 21-06-2007 09:59

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wonder who those idiots where?
they should be put down too! as well as the dog!

Tealeaf 21-06-2007 10:01

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In this day and age, this is disgusting.

Have the cops nowt better to do than this? Why aren't they out catching criminals instead of destroying small business enterprises such as these?

lancsdave 21-06-2007 10:04

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Me and my daughter were commenting about the number of police about on Willows Lane and Blackburn rd this morning.

MargaretR 21-06-2007 10:13

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Dozens of dogs pass my flat every day - used to see dogs like that, but not lately -it is still not safe to let my old moggie play out.

panther 21-06-2007 10:20

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A dog becomes dangerous because of the owners, they arnt born vicious!
so it should be the owners who should pay the price!

MargaretR 21-06-2007 10:23

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 438543)
A dog becomes dangerous because of the owners, they arnt born vicious!
so it should be the owners who should pay the price!

I always thought that some breeds were selctively bred for dogfights -ie -a genetic tendency for agression was selected -but I'm not an expert on dog breeding

panther 21-06-2007 10:33

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true, but someone somewhere bred em like that, sicko's if you ask me!

***Mr D*** 21-06-2007 10:46

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A dog is not bread for fighting, as soon as its born its not after fighting.

People may breed dogs to be strong and athletic which in turn would be considered maybe, good for fighting.

Again lack of information, Bull Terriors regardless of the kind, English, Staf, Pit, Cross Breeds are not the only dogs that could be made to fight each other.

Jack Russells could be made to fight each other, infact probably any breed of dog could be trained to fight other dogs.

Dog fighting is barbaric, I am totally against it.

However Im also totally against anyone blaming 1 or 2 breeds of dogs for the actions of us humans.

West Ender 21-06-2007 12:42

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You took the words right out of my keyboard, Mr D.

lancsdave 21-06-2007 13:02

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There is a TV crew on one of the streets down near the bottom end of Willows Lane at the moment. Presumably to show on one of the regional news programmes tonight.

Eric 21-06-2007 14:00

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Trouble is, any goof can get a dog and turn it mean. And the dogs suffer. Animal cruelty is alive and well, and not only that, studies show that men (and I'm sorry to say it is almost always the male of our species who is cruel ) who are cruel to dogs are often wife beaters who also physically abuse children. I do believe that Blake wrote a poem dealing with, among other things, cruelty to animals. "Augeries of Innocence" I think it was. I could google the thing, but sometimes I like to trust my not always consistent memory.

mallard 21-06-2007 17:15

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Yes i have just seen it on granarda reports but the dogs are made as what you make them mine is a jack russell and it wont let any one in

egg&chips 21-06-2007 18:31

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It was on the national news too. We even got it in Leeds (when the electricity tap was turned on).
I hope those guys get a custodial sentence & whilst inside get a big disease with a little name. We had a Staffy nicked in the 80's & the tought of him being used in dog fights made someone I love very unwell.
:mad:

Eric 21-06-2007 18:41

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Originally Posted by mallard (Post 438681)
Yes i have just seen it on granarda reports but the dogs are made as what you make them mine is a jack russell and it wont let any one in

Won't let them in, eh. I have to tell you my Rotti story. Hera, who is a big girl, and a hug junkie once let someone break into my house. Problem for the idiot who ignored the signs on my door and the lawn, she would not let him out. When I got home, this stranger was sitting in my chair, and Hera was lying in front of him with this cute, "see what I found daddy" look on her face. He had a few nip marks on his leg, but his major problem was that he needed to go to the can! With Hera as his escort he used my bathroom and was finished just about the time the coppers arrived.:)

panther 21-06-2007 18:43

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 438726)
Won't let them in, eh. I have to tell you my Rotti story. Hera, who is a big girl, and a hug junkie once let someone break into my house. Problem for the idiot who ignored the signs on my door and the lawn, she would not let him out. When I got home, this stranger was sitting in my chair, and Hera was lying in front of him with this cute, "see what I found daddy" look on her face. He had a few nip marks on his leg, but his major problem was that he needed to go to the can! With Hera as his escort he used my bathroom and was finished just about the time the coppers arrived.:)

LOL....nice one, i would love to have seen his face:p

shillelagh 21-06-2007 19:19

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Like that story eric lol

WillowTheWhisp 21-06-2007 20:29

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I am absolutely disgusted with people who will train dogs to fight. It's a pity the owners can't be put down.

I had wondered what was going on round here.

cherokee 21-06-2007 20:37

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OOOOO Eric what a funny story .... rofl!!!! bet he,ll think twice before ignoring signs again hehe ..or maybe even breaking in to someones house ..

blazey 21-06-2007 20:52

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I hate to say this but I don't agree a dog that is forced to fight should necessarily be put down.

A dog doesn't need to be TRAINED to fight to feel the need to defend itself when put in such a situation. Any dog will try to fight its own corner and keep alive. Just as if you were being attacked and you had a weapon you would strike with it. It doesn't mean you violent, it means you have natural instincts to protect yourself.

Just a thought anyway. I haven't read the article, only the comments already stated.

WillowTheWhisp 21-06-2007 20:56

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The problem is that once a dog has been taught to be aggressive and especially one that has killed or even tasted blood that dog is never going to be a docile family pet.

shillelagh 21-06-2007 21:58

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I think the dogs should be put down. Once a dog has been trained you will never untrain it. It will always be in the back of its mind and then something maybe the wrong word will set it off and if its a child that says it - dont bear thinking about.

***Mr D*** 21-06-2007 22:08

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I believe a dog could be re homed. Just to a responsable owner, I hate the though of any dog being destroyed for something it hasnt done.

Two thing that are different.

A dog thats been trained to fight other dogs.

A dog that is trained to be aggressive.

The second being the most dangeress.

A dog tastes blood regular, dogs mouths bleed, if they get treated to a bloody steak, I dont believe once a dog has tasted blood it becomes a killing machine, or hunting dogs, lurchers would be savaging everyone.

It boils down to the dog being such a loyal animal it will do as its owners command, or as stated earlier defend its self if felt threatened.

So is it the dogs fault or the human behind the animal.

blazey 21-06-2007 22:11

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 438793)
The problem is that once a dog has been taught to be aggressive and especially one that has killed or even tasted blood that dog is never going to be a docile family pet.

I dont believe thats true. Unless you have had experience of every dog after its been forced upon another that isnt a true evaluation. Besides, not both dogs in a fight get the chance to taste blood.

That goes to the other person who said the same type of thing aswell, not just you willow.

WillowTheWhisp 21-06-2007 22:13

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'tasting blood' was the terminology my Dad used to use for a dog having bitten or killed a living creature.

I wouldn't like to take chances with a dog which has been trained to fight. I would never forgive myself if I'd tried to retrain such a dog and it ever attacked anyone. Supposing a child walked by with another dog which barked and my ex-fighter dog turned on the other dog and the child?

I do feel sorry for the dogs but I don't think it's worth the risk.

WillowTheWhisp 21-06-2007 22:15

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 438824)
Besides, not both dogs in a fight get the chance to taste blood.

Very true, often one of them doesn't get chance to taste anything again.

blazey 21-06-2007 22:18

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 438825)
'tasting blood' was the terminology my Dad used to use for a dog having bitten or killed a living creature.

I wouldn't like to take chances with a dog which has been trained to fight. I would never forgive myself if I'd tried to retrain such a dog and it ever attacked anyone. Supposing a child walked by with another dog which barked and my ex-fighter dog turned on the other dog and the child?

I do feel sorry for the dogs but I don't think it's worth the risk.

A dog rehomed after such a situation as being forced to fight would probably be forced to be muzzled at all times outside the house. They'd also probably be rehomed specifically to people with private land that they can walk the dog on so to avoid contact with possible victims.

I dont think they'd give them to your local neighbour atleast.

WillowTheWhisp 21-06-2007 22:21

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I don't think they'd give them to anyone.

***Mr D*** 21-06-2007 22:31

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Hunting dogs, kill live animals, yet they dont attack there owners.

It down to training and how responsable you are with your dog.

Main things for any aggressive dog.
Muzzel in public
Neuter
ID Chip
Third Party Insurance

And most of all Commen Sence.

Some dogs I agree will be past re-homing but most of the inoccent bull terriers they are taking away as you see on the news are probably not aggressive if trained properly.

WillowTheWhisp 21-06-2007 23:17

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In the past a lot of dogs have been put down simply because they were 'the wrong breed' and had never done an aggressive thing in their lives, never been trained to fight or anything. That is so unfair and I feel very sorry for those owners.

garinda 21-06-2007 23:22

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These raids in Accrington were on the national BBC news, on the hour, every hour, all day today.

I'm glad I live in the 'and Districts', rather than Accrington itself, with all this negative publicity bringing shame to the town.:D

entwisi 22-06-2007 06:21

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The sad thing is G that some of the 'community' will think this is some sort of honour badge almost like an ASBO

I like dogs but I haven't got the time to look after one properly so we have a cat. Julies Mum has a X german shepherd who has been with Siobhan since she was born. She is so protective of Siobhan but is never left alone with her. She puts up with all the aggro Siobhan gives her but you will also find them cuddled up together with the dog clearly protecting her as if she was her own puppy.

Eric 22-06-2007 09:28

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"Near this spot are deposited the remains of one who possessed beauty without vanity, strength without insolence, courage without ferocity, and all the virtues of man without his vices. This praise which would be unmeaning flattery if inscribed over human ashes, is but just a tribute to the momory of Boatswain, a dog." Byron.


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