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Well I'm saddened and amazed that a Labour party candidate wouldn't, and didn't, canvas at a house which had a Union Jack displayed.

Did you never stop to think that in those houses were perhaps downtrodden women (or men), who didn't have a choice about their spouse/partner flying the countries flag, and whose vote you could perhaps have secured by actually talking to them?

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I'm not having a go particularly at you. I said to Rosebud last night, earlier in the thread, that he's about thirty years out of date with his thinking that the Union Jack has been hijacked by the far right.


...and no, I wouldn't presume anything about a house which had a Union Jack flying outside. Just as I wouldn't presume that everyone who lived in a council house voted Labour, or that people living in a mansion voted Tory.

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If you'd have said that whilst canvassing, you found that at each house you went to, with a Union Jack flying outside, the people told you that they intended to vote for the BNP, fair enough, that is evidence of a link.

But to say you didn't even go there in the first place to talk to them, I cannot understand, and it makes me quite angry that someone who was chosen by the Labour party to represent them in an important election, perhaps lost many votes because of preconceived prejudices.:(

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garinda: "I thought you said you were voting Labour at the last election."

Gayle: "I most certainly did."

garinda: "Then why did you have a Vote Conservative poster in your window?"

Gayle: "Well, I didn't want to lower the tone of the neighbourhood, you know."

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Must admit, Gayle, I'm quite gobsmacked by that remark, as I thought you were far more open-minded. So, everyone who displays a Union Flag outside of football occasions is a right-wing racist? That's the sort of blanket categorisation I'd expect from a Daily Mail reader!

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Sorry Gayle, it isn't 'their' flag anymore than it's 'our' flag, If I need to be a patriot whether it be for England or the U.K. I will allow the Welsh, Scots or Irish, (in no specific order), to be proud of their flag, I am proud of the George Cross because it represents England, I am proud of the Union Flag because it represents the U.K. (That is a joining of people no matter which corner of the land they come from), you may have been lazy enough, (as have the rest of us), to allow any of those flags to represent something else, but I recognise them as the difference and also the similarities between our main cultures. I know they are only a pieces of cloth, but they mean so much more to those of us that respect others. If someone I know displays the Irish flag on St Paddies day, I recognise that as celebration, if someone of Asian background displays the flag that they recognise as something to be proud of again I see no problem.

As with the Poppy, wear it with pride, it is there to bring people together in rememberance of past History, not to push us apart.


Can we all get our flags back from the fools that would split us apart?

http://www.ausflag.com.au/flags/images/union1788.gif

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That's a poor example Less. Would you like to borrow mine?

http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/92AEF.../UnionJack.bmp

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That's a great post, Less, and if I could give you karma for it, I would. However, I'm curious as to why you're flying the original 1606 version of the Union Flag, rather than the 1801 version that Yerself has hoisted. Is there a reason for this?

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I have experience of this - awful though it may be.

There was one house that has a flag flying all the time, I was heading towards the door and was told by someone that I was with that I wouldn't get a very good response. I naively knocked anyway, I got told to p*ss off and that they wouldn't be voting because there weren't any BNP candidates standing.

I went a few houses down the road where a flag was also flying to be greeted by BNP signs in the window.

I did not say that anyone who flew a flag was a right wing facist. I said that the general perception in the country at the moment is that the flag has been hijacked by the BNP. It is wrong, it should not be allowed I don't like it but just because I don't approve of something doesn't make it any less true.

I love this country as much as the next person and I would love to see the flag flying more often for the right reasons. If you see a flag flying outside someones house tonight, why don't you knock on their door and do a straw poll - find out for yourself.

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I can't get HBC site up, so can't be 100% certain, but as far as I recall there wasn't a BNP candidate standing in St. Andrew's ward in the 2006 election.

So all those discounted voters may have been open to discussion, and persuassion, as to where they were going to put their little cross.

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Well said, I was looking at it myself and thinking something was wrong, but unfortunately I was being distracted by that darned cat, while I was going for an example! (A poor excuse but the only one I've got since I am suffering from lack of blood because of it's sharp claws)! :(

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I'm afraid that's a very naive view. If someone has a BNP sign in their window then it's like telling the Labour (and Liberal candidate for that matter) to F off.

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I feel as if I'm disagreeing with everything you say at the moment Gayle, except for town centre apartments (:D). It's nothing personal, and I'm sure we'll soon be batting on the same side again soon, at least until the next difference of opinion.

I know you worked extremely hard in the elections last year. End of.:)

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You didn't say you didn't bother if they had a BNP poster displayed, you said if they a Union Jack flying, regardless of who else might be eligible to vote at that particular house, and their political persuasions.

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I notice you have omitted the Conservatives. Are you trying to suggest something sinister is afoot i.e. a Tory/BNP coalition?

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I would disagree with you there. That WAS the perception around 30 years ago when the NF were marching along Blackburn Road in support of their parliamentary candidate for Hyndburn. However, since then, in my view, the country has claimed the flag back and it does not have the same unfortunate connotations that it had then. I haven't seen any houses flying Union Flags in the area where I live, however, I have seen Asian kids round here wearing sweatshirts bearing both the Cross of St George and the Union Flag.

The fact that you came across two houses flying the Union Flag which were inhabited by BNP supporters doesn't mean that every house which flies the flag displays similar sympathies!

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Take a look at the BNP logo - I've just had a look on their website - and you can see how they're trying to claim the Union Jack as their own.

There were a few houses that had the Union Jack flying, I knocked at a few initially (and naively) and avoided others because I was advised to. Also, bear in mind that I also had polling lists and pretty good background information to start from so I was aware of who to avoid and who was worth knocking on.

I'm sorry but I can't help being a bit prejudiced against the BNP - I dislike almost everything they stand for. I hate the fact that they use the flag in the way they do.

I do agree that everyone has the right to freedom of speech but I have experience of the extremity of the BNP party and I would be wary to say the least of anyone who was a member of that party.

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Gayle, considering my personal circumstances (which I've mentioned on this thread already), I'm somewhat prejudiced against them too!

However, the person who started this thread was trying to make out that because a pub had the Union Flag on show outside of major footballing occasions it was a "BNP pub". Are you saying that you wouldn't go to a pub for an Accyweb meet because the Union Flag was on display?

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I would love to be proven wrong on this one so really don't object to the argument.

Like I said, feel free to knock on any doors where there are flags flying to find out their political persuasion and I'll happily concede.

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No, if it was an Accyweb meet then I wouldn't stay away because of a flag! ;)

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Glad to hear it. Right, I'm going back to the pub now, and if I see any Union Flags hanging in any windows, believe me, I'll be knocking on their door! :D

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They'd be telling that to all other parties wouldn't they,not just Labour and Liberals?What about Independant candidates and Conservative candidates:confused:

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I took this pic today at Rugby.. Saw the gum shield and thought of you lot :)

http://www.kipax.com/mbgfx/rugbyl3.jpg

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well going back in time, i once read that they were seceretly funding Oswald Mosely.:rolleyes:

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That's cool Kipax, how the blood has made a perfect cross.:D

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Has that man got a 3rd hand or is the bloke behind him about to give him a cuddle? :confused:

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I'm so observant I probably wouldn't have even spotted the gum shield. :D

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You can knock on my door, I've no Union Flag hanging but I'd still tell you to PO.;):)

Love this thread.:D

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:)hello every one its ages since i have been on accy web im using peters computer im a bit rusty its all new again to me it was great to see you all again at the queens I do miss you all we had some great laughs in the stag thankyou all for the support you gave over the years I hope you`re all feeling well. The stag will be re opening in about 2 or 3 months my friends dave and bev have got it, the vandals made a right mess of it anyway see ya later xxx

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Great to hear from you Mands.:)

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Now, that's not very sociable, old bean. I was thinking of dropping round to tell you about the new Polish centre-half we're giving trials to at the moment...but, then again, maybe not, after all, you don't like Poles coming over here, looking for work, do you?

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To answer the original question, regarding the Union Jack strategically placed in The Stag public house, and to put an end to the thread wander and waffle.
This comes directly from the horses mouth, so to speak; Staggeringman, the ex-landlord of The Stag, with whom I shared a pint, last night. The clue is in the first sentence: "strategically".

The pub dates back to the early 15th century, as mentioned elsewhere on Accyweb. Old buildings leak and the flag was put up to hide a damp patch from view, on an outside wall of the pub.

So perhaps prejudices regarding the Union Jack can be put to bed.

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That's boring it was much more fun when certain people thought it was a BNP pub.:)

Mr Harris nothing personal just having a bit of fun on a wet boring Sunday, I've nothing against Poles coming over and doing jobs that can't or won't be filled by us natives, its when they arrive and take jobs that can be filled by us, example my workplace where 50 where made redundant and then the jobs appeared again to be filled by poles, can you see why I'm a little bitter?:cool:

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The centre-half's place at Stanley could be filled by an English player, but if Marcin Staniek turns out to be a success, I bet you'll be cheering him along with the rest of us on the Clayton End! However, I'm seriously thread-wandering now. If he does sign on, I'm sure we'll have a longer argument about it then! ;)

Like the explanation about the Union Flag, Sparky. Really puts paid to Rosebud's somewhat more sinister theory!

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Sparky's input did indeed bring clarification. The original post was however not 'sinister' it was a question.

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Not just a question, but a statement, too. And to imply that Accyweb meetings are held in pubs frequented by rightwing extremist groups is, in my view, a sinister implication.

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Point taken.

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ER Thats what i said back in post 67
"They had the flags up all year round (i think it was to cover damp patches)":)

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:D yebbut he can't read that Mick cos he's banned. :D

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I've un-banned myself for the duration of this post!



As percieved by Rosebud.

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But that looks more like a gay pride march.

I am sure the Nazis would not have inspired the same terror if they had adopted the collar and bow tie and no shirt look

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so what you trying to say every skinhead is bnp?

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OOer - best keep away from the Oaklea then - have you seen AccyJay? :D| :D :D

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he he ..oooooerrrrr willow that was quick on ........as usual.

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I wouldn't know. I've never been to one.

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Nice to hear from you Mands. We have missed ya loads. xx

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Sorry Willow the evidence is there, England flag even when there's no sporting event, vandalism, going armed with a piece of wood with intent and visiting that well known BNP strong hold Carnforth as well as blatently taking part in the BNPs favourite weekend pastime, when not bashing asians, caravaning.:)

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Do the BNP go caravanning?
That will explain some of the characters we've come across in fields then. :D

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Clearly you're banged to rights Willow! :)