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I was looking through some of the pictures of your meetings elsewher on the site and would like to ask a question. Is the venue you use a BNP pub or did the meeting coincide with an international football match. It looked like a National Front conference.

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It was a few weeks ago that I saw the photos and cant seem to find them now- lots of union jacks everywhere.

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So how does that make a pub a BNP venue?

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No, it was probably at the stag, with people who are proud to be english flying the national flag.

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Without seeing the actual pics and knowing the date I can't remember any specific reason for union jacks. It may have been some particular celebration but there have been so many meets. If you'd picked out a hallowe'en one for instance you might have been misled into thinking we are all witches and devil worshippers. :D

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Yes, it was the stag and it was during the world cup, so I think everyone was flying the flag somewhere..

I know I had my union jack knickers on that night :D:rolleyes:;):p

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ssssssshhhh willow don't tell them all our secret :D

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Because most BNP, National Front, Combat 18 favoured haunts are adourned with Union Jacks.
I know it is unfair that the flag has been tarnished in this way- but it has. Therefore when a pub permanently displays the flag on its walls it usually (though I accept not always) reflects the political belief of the owner or patrons or both.

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well if thats the case ask mani how he managed to get in then :D

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Is that not the case then because if not I have been seriously misinformed.

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I was only asking the question- as it has now been clarified that it was during the world cup it is clearer to me.
Didn't expect the sarcastic responses.

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actually come to think of it, they did have the flags up most of the time, along with the stag on the wall and a million other things.... but they were never anti anyone...unless they couldn't pay for their beer of course :D

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I wouldn't really know about that, as I've never been in any "BNP, National Front, Combat 18 favoured haunts". However, I would suggest that when most pubs display the Union Flag, it is a simple gesture of national allegiance...nothing more, nothing less.

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same here :D

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Rubbish!

Genuinely not trying to purposely wind anyone up but genuinely think the above comment is naieve. Also I get that you are suggesting that as I know what the inside of a racist haunt looks like I must patronise these establishments. In reality I dont but I do read quite a lot and watch TV as well and as a result know the preferred decor of these places.
I also know what a dinosaur looks like but have never actually seen one.

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The "paramilitary" wing of the BNP their name is derived from the initila letters of Adolf Hitler (A being the first letter of the alphabet H being the 8th)

Actually I have been in a Nazi pub in Croydon and at the time didn't notice any union flags in evidence (Garinda if you are reading this thread it was the Ship) I only realized when I got to the bar I was being seriously stared at and suddenly noticed that it was because of my (now not then) ex wife who is black.

I then noticed a couple of members of Skrewdriver at the bar.

I quickly made an exit.

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Thanks for the explanation- I truly am not intending to stir things for the sake of it but do have an opinion on the subject.
Combat 18 is an ultra right wing facist group opeartyional across Britain who utilise extreme violence on a regular basis to demonstrate their abhorrent viewpoint.

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Hmmmm...can't make my mind up about you, Rosebud. Whether you're a troll or just an out-and-out moron. What does the panel think?

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Oh that'll be Tealeaf when he's making one of his anti-cat posts then. ;)

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well this kids very suspicious.

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It makes a change for you to be wearing any :rolleyes::D:D:D

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Don't undertsand the word 'troll' in this context please explain. I do however understand the 'out and out moron' comment- why the need to be offensive and aggressive? Is debate or discussion not achievable in a more restrained manner?

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Oh yeah and as if you would be lucky enough to know :p

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Nothing wrong with that at all of course not.
Just making a point about the manner in which the principle symbol of 'Britishness' has been hijacked by the far right.

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I wonder what you would have thought of those old "I'm backing Britain" badges?

We've got an England flag, and a Union Jack. We've also got an Irish flag (I'm of Irish descent) and a Welsh flag (Busman has Welsh origins) and a US flag which was given to me by a Native American now deceased and a Tunisian flag because we love Tunisia - wonder what that makes us? :D

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When I say you might be a Troll, I have a sneaking suspicion that you might just be trying to deliberately wind people up.

However, giving you the benefit of the doubt, the Union Flag is the national flag of this country, so why shouldn't people display it in pubs? If you went into a pub festooned with the Irish tri-colour, would you think it was an IRA pub?

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i have never been aware of one in accy, n i supped in all of em at some point.also a pakistani mate used to come round with us n talking late 60s/early70s here. theres summat not right here i suspect.

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So do I. Reckon it's a wind-up merchant!

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well its a strange name for a bloke also!

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Now who was the last person who called us Nazis? :D

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This reminds me of times when I wore my black beret - was greeted with a smile and an IRA salute more than once :D
It is so easy to be misconstrued.

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He probably got it from the Orson Wells film Citizen Kane.

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Talk about stereotyping!

One of the pubs the meet was held at, twice, had a prominent display of football memorabilia. That must mean that pub is somewhere frequented by football hooligans.

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Oy you leave me alone :D

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What are you saying Garinda?!!? You mean Harwood Red isn't a football hooligan? http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...milies/eek.gif

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Then there was that pub with the card of nuts behind the bar, showing a busty babe in a bikini.

Why we didn't spot it at the time I'll never know.

It was a swingers club!!!

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I feel tarnished and picked on :o I didn't mean to punch ken, honest :rolleyes:

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She's never been violent towards me at a football match.

(Just in a pub.):D

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and outside the pub :D

no at football we were too busy getting confused over the score to get violent :p

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Didn't suggest that owning a flag was racist.

Didn't call anyone a nazi- find the suggestion that I did offensive.

Asked the question if the venue was a BNP haunt because the BNP frequently adourn their favoured establishments in this manner.

No its not fair that the flag has been used in this way.

No I dont feel that a pub displaying the tricolor is an IRA venue- Why? because the IRA was a terrorist organisation opearting in a covert manner. The BNP, National Front are incomparable.

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We only went to the Stag because the beer was cheap...and the Nuremberg Bierkeller is booked up on Saturday nights.

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Its a shame the Stag closed just before they planned to install the showers :rolleyes:

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Very good.

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There's a definite flaw in your logic here - as I've said, I don't know if the BNP adourn(sic) their establishments with the Union Flag. However, assuming they do, does it, therefore, follow that every place that displays the Union Flag is a haunt of fascists?

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Not very good- offensive, misjudged and inappropriate.

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No it doesnt BUT an establishment which chooses to display the union flag extensively within and without its premises may be perceived as subscribing to this belief system.
If the pub/club was actually trying to reclaim the flag from these arseholes then I would commend their actions as brave. However the motivation behind their decison would not be known and therefore COULD be perceived (albeit possibly unfairly) in this manner.

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It is something that has always made me wonder, why is it that in England we are scared to show our support for our country by flying the flag when I go in to shops, schools and bars in the USA and see them every where. I am sure that no one would ask if it was a white supremist classroom I was teaching in!!

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It's the same in Scotland. You see their the St. Andrew's saltaire displayed everywhere, and that's not seen as being racist.

I think Rosehip is a little out of date anyway. The far right gave up the Union flag as a symbol of extreme nationalism, thirty years ago. The flag of choice is now Burberry.

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Because the Stars and Stripes has not been bastardised by the far right in the states. Its got absloutely nothing to do with patriotism. I have simply asked the question in the context of how the Union flag has been adopted for a number of years in this country by extremist groups which have tainted its image.

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Thats not true though is it.

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Err....yes it is actually.

Not all American racist wear pointed hats, and not all British nationalist are skinheads with bulldogs and tattoos of the Union flag on their arse.;)

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It's the national flag of this country, for crying out loud! People don't display it because they're trying to "reclaim" it from anyone, they display it because they're showing their allegiance, just as they do in all the other hundred-and-odd countries around the world. The only people who could perceive sinister intentions behind it, are PC-obsessed souls like yourself.

Anyway, I'm still convinced that you're a wind-up merchant, as your point of view is so ridiculous. We shall see... :rolleyes:

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Actualy it has been bastardised by the far right in the US, they would prefer to use the old glory. I would have to disagree with you and say that it has to do with patriotism. Maybe in their small little minds they think they are being British, Arayan and speaking for a minority and they do this by proclaiming everything right is white, how wrong can they be, they also do this by flying the Union Jack. That is a form of patriotism, as is bowing to the Queen, voting and fighting a war for Queen and country.

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this leads me to think! you have some very strange informants. or you are a dustbin,cos you take any rubbish in.:D

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In San Francisco or Boston ......yes , and at the 'United 32 ' club at the end of Geary Blvd. in S.F. a double yes , its also offical San Francisco City policy that any Irish whiskey being served as a refreshment at either official functions or private functions on city property has to be Jamesons (Bushmills is verboten) ;)

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wow this place just dosent get any better...... rosebud you asked a question ..it was answered NO it wasnt a bnp place it was the stag during the world cup... my god was the rest of the thread really nessesary... or should you all just go on bickering .....im sorry but in my opinion its these sort of threads that are doing aw no justice at all .. and i gotta admit rosebud you are the first NEW member I!!! have seen on here jump in so deeply .so early .. which makes me think that maybe you have been here before and know just what to say to get the cogs turning ..

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They had the flags up all year round (i think it was to cover damp patches):)

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:D darn - never thought of that!

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Just as I suspected accyweb is full of BNP supporters and racists, love this thread although once again I suspect piltymon. Mr Harris do you still want that Enoch t-shirt off e-bay?

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This is the second time you've tried to palm this T-shirt off onto me! As I told you before, I would look slightly strange walking around in an Enoch Was Right T-shirt, accompanied by my non-white immigrant wife. However, I'm glad you're here - perhaps you could tell us what sort of decorations are on display in a typical BNP pub?

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According to rumours about the leadership of the BNP, their meeting places are probably covered in rainbow flags, and posters of Judy Garland and Shirley Bassey.;)

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I thought Enoch was Left?:D

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Buckingham Palace flies a flag.........





:plol

Oh look at my post count!!! Oooooooooo!!!

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this thread was pointless,its a public house for god,s sake ,therefor anyone who is everyone is welcome,even prostitutes ex cons bnp members,the old guy who sits alone in the corner,the woman trying to keep herself standing straight at the bar,ITS A PUBLIC HOUSE,people have been murdered in pubs but it doesnt stop peeps from still going back for there

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Yep - I mean even us AccyWebbers were welcome there! :D

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There you are Mr Harris, Garinda has answered your question although I have no idea what he is getting at, is this the level the anti-nazi league have stooped to now.:rolleyes:

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I'm not a member of any political organisation, mainly so I can rip them all to bits if I happen to disagree with them.:D

I'm a democrat, and as such believe that in a democracy no political organisation should be banned, even if I abhor what they stand for.:)

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I agree Garinda, to paraphrase Voltaire "I deplore what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

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I wish it were simply a matter of national pride but I agree with Rosebud it's been hijacked by people with a more political agenda.

The only time you can get away with flying the flag these days is during the world cup or if Henman were to have won more than one match. Shame!

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I flew the St George flag throughout our winning the Ashes ; no complaints from anyone !

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So what do you suggest, give into them?

No more Union Jacks flying from flagpoles across the land?

The far-right also don't have a monoploy on shaved heads. It seems to be fashionable for balding blokes across the country to have a number one crop, and who seem to get on quite well, without people thinking they're all fascists.

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I don't know Garinda and I wish I did.

When I was campaigning the other year I just knew to stay away from houses with the union jack flag flying outside - and yes there are a few in Ossy.

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If I had been your campaign manager I'd have made you go to every door in the ward, regardless if they had a Union flag outside or not.

Never judge a book by it's cover.

Those few houses may have cost you the election, especially since the election you stood in was only a month before the last World Cup.

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I am most certainly not a BNP supporter, and if I thought we had something worth celebrating the flag would be out again !

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That's as daft and as narrow minded as thinking eveyone who lives in a big house votes Tory.

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It's nearly thirty years ago that I received death threats because I publicly humiliated the then National Front in the local press.

No one's taking any flag off me. I'm proud to be English first, and British second.

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No, Willow I wouldn't. As I said earlier it is a different situation during sporting events. I flew the flag of St George during the World Cup and I think I've even flown it for Henman before now. Are you still flying it?

The sad fact is that the BNP have hijacked the flag and if a house has one flying (apart from during sporting tournaments) then the perception is that it is a BNP or equivalent house.

During the elections I did call on those houses and yes, they were BNP or equivalent living there.

I don't like the fact that the flag has been hijacked, I think it's very sad, and I would love for things to change.

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Is it flying right now?

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Does that apply to Buckingham Palace as well?

Would you not have canvassed there too?

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I might wear my Union Jack cufflinks tonight.:)

I suppose that makes me in your eyes a crypto-fascist?

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http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1274149.jpg

Gerri Halliwell.
Daft popstar, or subversive right-wing propagandist?

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Hang on - what are you having a go at me for?

I don't like it but surely you can't deny that in the country at the moment the perception is that the BNP have hijacked the Union Jack and the St George Flag. Fine, show Geri Halliwell and the Queen as examples but are you honestly trying to tell me that if you saw one flying out side a house (when there wasn't a sporting event on) that you wouldn't for one second assume that a BNP supporter lived there.

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From the famouse Vanity Fair Cool Britannia cover.

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip...024/vanity.jpg

Read Adolf and Eva, instead of Liam and Patsy?

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Which precisely illustrates what I mean. During a sporting 'moment' the flag comes out but immediately after we lose, which we invariably do, the flags come down.

Most people would not fly them out of sheer nationalism.

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Equivalent. What's the equivalent ? They're either BNP supporters/members or they aren't. Did you go round canvassing on behalf of the Labour Party, or its equivalent ?