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The appeal system in the USA drags it out so long that they can live quite happily knowing it will be a good few years before they fry get the needle or whatever else they use. These people will live longer in the system than on the streets and they know it. If the person is found guilty and the proof is 101% then do it in a week. There may be times when its appropriate and under certain circumstances that it has to be done but let it be with no possible after effects. The scum kill scum senario is proberly true but any life is sacrid and shouldnt be taken. There cant be one rule for one set and one for another set as seems to be where ever you go.

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I'm honestly not quite sure either, the Act that the death penalty was in was repealed in the 50's at some point but some websites that aren't official ones still say its law. I couldn't possibly make a guess on it but I reckon that it would be a possibility. I think national interest for the death of the monarch still would be the death sentence, but I don't know.

I wouldn't even know where to look for it as the act it did exist in doesnt exist anymore, so where would it possibly be? Maybe they'd create an emergency section under the terrorism act for it if the situation arose ;)

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Lol you just reminded me of that lad who survived the electric chair the first time round. Even though they'd badly damaged him he still had to go in the chair the next year and it worked that time ;)

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so i'm still no wiser?;) still wondering.:)

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I think this is the human condition:) And not a bad thing.

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It is very hard to demonstrate that killing is wrong by killing the killer.....now i've written it I am not sure that it makes sense.....someone tell me they know what I mean...please!

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margeret you have said it perfectly correctly. killing is wrong. killing as a punishment is wrong. having the ability to sit in an office and make up a law saying its OK to ahve the death penalty doesn't make it right.

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I understand what you mean :p

And KIPAX it doesn't necessarily make it right to just add a new law but then I dont agree with the terrorist laws either as i think the problem is that 'terrorist' isnt defined properly in the statute so anyone can be labelled as one and their rights taken away.

Also with the recent terrorists being NHS doctors (alledgedly at least) it makes you wonder exact what their motives were. Perhaps the argument in that book that it creates martyrs is true, I mean, I dont condone the methods they used to get the attention of the media but what if the cause they did it for was a good one? Other protesters do violent things, for example PETA attack animal testing labs and those involved quite often, are they now terrorists aswell?

Protesting and terrorism is beginning to have dangerous overlaps and it restricts alot of the freedoms we think we have. I wouldn't dare join a protest now for fear of being arrested due to being involved in something that may happen to be catagorised as terrorism without realising it.

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Its not necessarily wrong if it did show to have benefits but the fact of the matter is that its one big contradiction to kill someone because they killed. It makes decent people as bad as them in effect.

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I know. thats what I said.

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But then doesnt this broadly define what terrorism is? They break into places, trash labs, leave nasty letters etc.
Cant split up partners do these sort of things to eachother aswell when theyre holding a grudge (just an example) It is the same type of situation, protesting about animals or protesting about ending the relationship, trashing either types of property and causing 'terror'.

It seems all too easy for the term to get too broad and the act to be used to widely against people.

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In other words you agree with what margaret and I said.. but you wanted to be long winded about it...

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Yes it was an agreement with you but I went on to say more on top of it, you must've just read it wrong :D

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Is a sentence long winded? whats your problem lol.

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They have been since 2005, and people have been charged as such.


Terror laws will apply to animal rights lobby - Times Online

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I have never heard anyone define a PETA campaign as terrorism thats all. I mean in wording, as in, I haven't heard on the news a campaigner called a terrorist for trashing a lab or anything.
I know protesters already fall into the act as there was a documentary on it the other week.

Just dont tend to hear people call Peta terrorists :p

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You tend to, about the ones that send dirty bombs to the families of people who work in laboratories which use animals.

Or people like Donald Currie.

Animal rights militant admits bomb offences - Independent Online Edition > Crime

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I think of PETA as extremist animal protesters, not terrorists. They have more of a purpose to their actions than your stereotypical terrorist who just wants to cause terror and nothing else. I dont agree with what peta stand for anyway but I just dont regard them as a terrorist, as their purpose has a bit more depth than that.

If that makes sense :)

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not really with you on that Extremeism is Extremeism whatever the aim.

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Terrorists don't tend to be trying to make a particular statement other than wanting to be martyrs of some sort.
Extremeists tend to be imposing their views on everyone else in radical ways.

Thats my diffrentiation anyway. It doesn't really have set definitions agreed by everyone anyway as I said earlier.

Extremeism isn't necessarily terrorism as u can be extremeist about something without the violence, i.e extremist/fundamentalist catholicism doesnt necessarily use violent methods to get their point across.

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thought the terrorist statement was "Kill The Infidels":p

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They don't really have much of a reason for doing it though, no set motives or reasonings behind what they do. They just aim to cause 'terror' amongst the rest of society.
Extremeists usually have a set purpose, reasons, justifications, the lot.

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What a load of bog this thread has descended to...:o

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was thinking that meself:rolleyes:

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Of course terrorists have reasons for what they do. Otherwise they would be merely sociopaths. Nor are their motives random, or is reasoning absent. What people tend to object to is not only the terror, but also the motives behind it. I do believe, altho' I could be wrong and I'm too lazy to check, that it was Henry Kissinger who observed "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."

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ah but they do i think,to me right n wrong is determind by the Law of the Land. some fools say its determind by the bible,if we go down that line,then the radicals believe its ok to Be-head people, this aint an anti-religion comment from a non- believer,its commonsense.

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I read one story today about a chap who raped a young girl and he is being deported back to Pakistan.......now that is what I call realistic treatment.

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And how did this thread get to be about extremists...be they muslim or Peta?
I thought it was about the Judiciary dishing out sentences. Did I miss something along the way?

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I think maybe it has something to do with including all of those types that for some reason people would like to see dangling from a rope. But there again murder in itself is a little extreme.:confused:

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I would think that most criminals or for that matter terrorists "believe" that they have very good reasons for carrying out their crimes; eg "the voices told me to do it", "Allah told me to do it", " I needed the money" , "she was asking for it" etc etc etc. Surely the problem arises when these individuals are so distanced from reality that they actually believe their reason is a totallly acceptable one and then go on to commit their crimes.?

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Methinks one has PETA confused wit the ALF.

PETA was the organisation that had the campaign of rather go nude than wear fur.

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And to go slightly back on track :).

THe death sentence has never been a useful deterent as once one has killed they are more likely to kill again as where is the deterent then. You can't kill anybody more than once (not yet anyway).

Also in cases of extreme terrorism the thought of martyrdom is quite an appealing thought.

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Don't worry, the Americans are working on ways to execute people more than once. They already give multiple murderers multiple life sentences. Now they have to find a way of keeping them alive to serve the 300 years or so they have been sentenced to. There is always hanging, drawing, and quartering thing. That is pretty close to killing someone more than once. Much more fun to watch than reality tv.:behead:

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Rationalisation and denial are two of the ways that these people cope with their crimes...although in the case of terrorists I think it is more a situation of imposing their will on the population, using violent means.If terrorists all wore army uniforms then we would be able to defend ourselves against them.....but they don't...and that is what makes defence so difficult........and Just because they believe in something doesn't make it true.

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I do not know who it was who gave me Karma for this post....but it is my practice to thank the givers of Karma...however, I do not know who you are so I have say 'Thank you' here. Thank you anonymous donor...much appreciated.

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Just interested to ask- what is it you feel 'they' believe that isnt true.

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I think if they want to die for their cause and prove a point then I'm ok with that even if it kills innocent people but it's a bit unfair of them to keep on doing it without making it clear what it is they actually want.

How are you meant to solve the problem if they don't say what the problem is? I always thought martyrs normally fought for their beliefs first and voiced it and THEN died for the cause if they were not getting the point across as successfully as they wanted to.

This new experience for british people of people trying to achieve martyrdom for no clarified reason makes it difficult for people to comprehend and solve. The problem is that its not solely a muslim thing, as the majority of them despise it aswell.

I meet a few people who say 'its a war against the whites' but how can that be true? The bombs have killed people even from the bombers own faiths, you cant make a bomb just hit one race of people, they've claimed the lives of many different races of people.

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Don't know Rosebud, it is just a quote that I found somewhere.....nothing more, nothing less.
Signatures don't have to mean anything specific.....sorry for the thread wander.
And Blazey I think that last post is in the wrong thread :0

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sorry Rosebud....I misinterpreted your question there. I thought you were referring to my signature......which is, very much like what you asked (not exactly...but very like it). I was referring to the belief of terrorists to be ridding the world of infidels. Anyone who is not muslim is considered to be an infidel.
And I didn't state as a fact that it wasn't true........I said 'just because they believe in something doesn't make it true'.......maybe I am splitting hairs here but I think it is different.

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dont think yer splitting hairs margaret, i understood what you meant.

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Thanks for the clarification Margaret.

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Thats why you didn't ask the question and I did.

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You are very welcome Rosebud.....as someone who thinks no question is dumb(it's only dumb not to ask if you don't know)...it wasn't a problem :)